Patman888

Patman888

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Patman888: This is getting ridiculous. What is the point of going so small? It would still be highly irritating to pocket for most people. First the GF2 gets stripped, then the G3, then the GF3, and now even the lens line up?

Let's hope the GH3 doesn't get the same treatment.

Yes and like I said. You have plenty of options for that with the dumbing down of their entire line.. It doesn't mean that Panasonic should go in that direction 100% and it doesn't mean I have to like it.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 26, 2011 at 17:29 UTC
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happypoppeye: Well, whether you like it or not, you gotta love the effort and engineering for this one. At least someone is trying to see what they can do with lens design ...as Nikon and Canon lenses get bigger and bigger.

They seem to be getting more than enough support. The people that would rather have better IQ than a tiny lens are losing out to this madness though, in the M43 camp at least.

Besides, this a reply to the gent that is dissing Canon for the lens getting bigger and bigger. I said that people don't mind that so this has nothing to do with the people that want a smaller camera because they should be enjoying their smaller cameras without dissing Canon for going for IQ over size.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 26, 2011 at 17:27 UTC
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happypoppeye: Well, whether you like it or not, you gotta love the effort and engineering for this one. At least someone is trying to see what they can do with lens design ...as Nikon and Canon lenses get bigger and bigger.

That is the thing. People have no problem with the Canon and Nikon lens size. They will take the billion elements and huge USM motors and weather proofing over small size any day of the week. I have no problem with that. Not even on smaller cameras like the NEX.

In fact, I only have the 14-140 and the 100-300(which is huge) but they handle fine and the size of my system is fine.

Going small for the sake of small is totally pointless.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 26, 2011 at 16:08 UTC
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dccdp: After the perplexing lens releases from Sony (for NEX), this is indeed a lens that proves which company knows what mirorrless is really about. Small size is essential, and it is the very factor that justifies the segment's existence.

Sony didn't get it. They only seem able to release huge and awkward lenses (e.g., the 55-210 is a bad joke: 10cm in length, ugly and very slow), which makes their small bodies look like monsters. (I own a NEX, and sadly find myself without real choices in dedicated lenses)

This small Panasonic lens is an excellent idea for the segment. If the quality is good, it will change everything. About the "power zoom", yes, it's different to what we are used to, but I believe it will be easy to change our habits a bit.

Good work, Panasonic!

I don't own any small lenses and I don't plan to. I personally think this is the worst direction by far. Going small for the sake of small and not much else. Much worse than making normal sized lens for optical reasons.

But hey, whatever floats your boat tiny. haha

Direct link | Posted on Aug 26, 2011 at 16:04 UTC
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pixelsensible: Incredible!

Who wants to buy the gigantic 18-55 Sony lens that comes with a bit of a camera ? Looks like Sony got to go back to the drawing board immediately.

Well, when it does, hopefully Sony will also drop its mindless pursuit of more and more megapixels too. Those who do not agree with me on this point, please bear with me - I know you are not happy.

I prefer the size of the 18-55mm NEX. I can support it with my left hand for stability for one. This? It would be useless for stills I say.

Funny how the small brigade is still attacking the NEX lens size. They must be really spooked.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 26, 2011 at 15:55 UTC

This is getting ridiculous. What is the point of going so small? It would still be highly irritating to pocket for most people. First the GF2 gets stripped, then the G3, then the GF3, and now even the lens line up?

Let's hope the GH3 doesn't get the same treatment.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 26, 2011 at 15:51 UTC as 40th comment | 5 replies
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steve_hoge: Definitely less blocky in the shadows at full crop than my FZ35. Pleasantly surprised!

But the corner schmearing at wide angles from barrel correction is still there. For that reason - resampling/stretching - there might actually be some rationale for a higher-res sensor.

I presume these Sample Gallery images are in-camera JPEGs? (How do we see more camera info in Sample Galleries?) RAW processing - especially with selective disabling of barrel correction - could only look better.

I mean I want(not wasn't) a super zoom.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 26, 2011 at 15:43 UTC
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steve_hoge: Definitely less blocky in the shadows at full crop than my FZ35. Pleasantly surprised!

But the corner schmearing at wide angles from barrel correction is still there. For that reason - resampling/stretching - there might actually be some rationale for a higher-res sensor.

I presume these Sample Gallery images are in-camera JPEGs? (How do we see more camera info in Sample Galleries?) RAW processing - especially with selective disabling of barrel correction - could only look better.

Only 600mm kills it for me. I wasn't an actual super zoom for those ridiculous you tube videos. Not something a compact travel zoom and an 18-270mm DSLR lens is close to doing.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 26, 2011 at 15:41 UTC
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JWest: The camera itself is a thing of beauty, but if only the new 24mm was just a little smaller to match. It looks totally out of place, and completely negates the portability of the body.

talhak91. I personally think it is much more embarrassing with the outspoken attack of something you have never held.

The point isn't valid at all because the majority of the lens from each system has been always similar sized or bigger than the camera itself. Just off the top of my head G3 + 100-300, T2i + 18-200, T2i + 18-135, T2i + 15-85, T2i + just about any L lens etc. Sure some of those examples ARE a bit front heavy but they handle perfectly and no one complained about them. The NEX system on the other hand, barring the 18-200, hasn't had a single lens, besides the aforementioned, that is remotely front heavy and we have people bitching about their size when the weight is like peanuts.

Sorry, not valid in the slightest. You obviously never handled the system I see. haha

Direct link | Posted on Aug 25, 2011 at 15:54 UTC
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Grant: What started as a pocket-able camera now needs a rolling case. Combine that with the price and fiddly IU and I'll keep my FF DSLR.

Grant. I don't even like putting my keys, wallet, and phone in my pocket. Heck, I think the iphone 4 is too big. I would never put a small interchangeable lens in my pocket, ever. It is a bag for sure so maybe there are others like me. I don't expect everyone to feel the same though.

If you are complaining about a bag with a NEX in it that you'll barely notice it's there compared to a bulky M43 in your pocket, then sorry. You are seriously weaksauce.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 25, 2011 at 15:35 UTC
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tkbslc: Oh Sony, why are your lenses so big. You finally make a near perfect compact body with an APS-C sensor AND viewfinder and you only have one compact lens for the whole system (and it isn't that good).

Probably because they don't have autofocus motors and they use pricey microlens optics.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 25, 2011 at 15:26 UTC
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spoorthy: IF the new 24mp sensor is just as good as the 16mp sensor of last year, then imagine what they could have done if the crated a all new 10 or 12 mp sensor?

I really don't think this is similar to cramming 16mp in a tiny p&s sensor. Like the 18mp sensors on the smaller GH2 and T3i, there should be a big enough surface area to handle 24mp easily.

I didn't pixel peep enough to see any noise but if there is smearing, I doubt it is from the 24mp.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 25, 2011 at 15:22 UTC
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ntsan: The perfect combo to pancake zoom lens (14-42mm + 45+175mm) from Panasonic, unlike NEX lens which is humongous huge

Hilarious. The realization that the NEX 7 is sexy really shook up the M43 crowd. So much so that they resort to dissing the lens size on the epm1 news page. haha

Direct link | Posted on Aug 25, 2011 at 15:13 UTC
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Patman888: I find it quite laughable how the M4/3 crowd puts the size of the lens before everything else. I always thought IQ and ergonomics were the most important. I guess I went to the wrong university.

Ah so your camp is even worst than I thought. The lens have to be smaller than NEX lenses yet no smaller than M43 lenses to be immune from criticism. I do not see how you can deny your biases from the way you guys are bashing the rumored new Nikon and Pentax Q as having no advantages and how you are condemning the NEX for having bigger lenses. At least be man enough to admit it.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 24, 2011 at 23:30 UTC
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spidermoon: A good camera with those big lenses is like a Ferrari with hummer tyres ;)

Naw. More like a car with 15 inchers instead of 14's. In most cases the 15's are better.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 24, 2011 at 17:40 UTC
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pixel_colorado: It's a shame they made it bigger than the A33, A35 and the A55.

It is about T3i. I think it is mainly that size because people complained about the T2i and A55 grip. Now we have people complaining that it is too big. Perfect example of Sony losing either way they go.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 24, 2011 at 17:36 UTC
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pixel_colorado: It's a shame they made it bigger than the A33, A35 and the A55.

Yup. That is why it is called the A65 and not the A57. It is supposed to be bigger. Get an A55 or wait for the replacement if it ever comes.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 24, 2011 at 16:57 UTC
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wutsurstyle: why do they continue to use a bottom-hinge screen when the side-hinge is so much better? do they not use tripods?

Bottom hinge is better for framing unless you are cross eyed because everything is centered with the lens. They refuse to go side hinge with the A77 for a reason.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 24, 2011 at 16:55 UTC
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JWest: The camera itself is a thing of beauty, but if only the new 24mm was just a little smaller to match. It looks totally out of place, and completely negates the portability of the body.

So lens totally negates the portability when you haven't seen or held it yet? Have you even seen the video? The 24mm and the 18-55 seem like a perfect size match there. Check it out before writing it off.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 24, 2011 at 16:44 UTC
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Kirppu: At this point http://a.img-dpreview.com/previews/sonynex5n/images/NEX-SLTadapter2.jpg why not just buy fullbody?
I don't see any benefits from the "small body" in this situation.

You should get a Nokia N8 then.

Direct link | Posted on Aug 24, 2011 at 16:41 UTC
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