To unhoh07:Good for you and very well put. I got my M9 back from Leica and it looks like a brand new camera.
Frankly, I've given up responding to the Leica haters. They complain about Leica high prices. But Leica cameras are all metal assembled with very close tolerancesand finished beautifully. It is a camera that is built with the reasonable expectation that it should last as long as the photographer using it.
Other cameras are priced within the buyers limits. That buyer will no doubt go back into the marketplace in 1 to 3 years in order to but the latest innovations. But do those innovations create a better image? Probably not. Our Leica's are built like a tank and are free of all the trendy garbage that in the final analysis contributes nothing to the final image.
You will never convince the critics otherwise. They no not want to be confused with facts.There is a saying that seems appropriate. "Never teach a pig to sing. It is a waste of time and it annoys the pig".
just someone: Different approach than Nikon in handling faulty camera models. Haha
Simon,Turn around time for my M9 conversion to M9P specs. and with a new sensor was 4 weeks; the delay over the 3 week promise date was caused by the sensor back order. I now have my M9P camera in my hands and it is gorgeous, in so far as any camera can be gorgeous.
Mike FL: It is interesting to see/know Leica has so many old stock CCD sensors for replacing ALL of Leica M9 / M9-P / M Monochrom / M-E sensors for life which means that one camera could need many sensors.
Actually, Leica did not have "so many old stock CCD sensors", as you put it. Wait time for sensors was running into many months.The fact that they now have a large supply means to me that a more recent order has been filled and they are now available.According to my phone call to Leica, the replacement sensors came in this week and my camera has now been shipped. total turn around time for me was less than a month including the wait for the sensor.
GodSpeaks: Interesting. I had something similar happen to the sensor on my Kodak SLR/n. On the images, it looked similar to the photo on the left above.Fortumately it wasn't a problem until the camera was 5 years old, by which time it was also showing other signs of creeping failuritis.
I also experienced the white spot phenomenon on my Nikon DSLR, and in less than 5 years. On the average, the problem seems to take about 3 years or so on the M9. It seems to be related to humidity according to some sources. Given that both my old Nikon and Leica sourced their CCD sensors from Kodak, the problem can likely be traced to that company and now it's successor KPE. Several other companies also used the Kodak sensor known for its superior performance before CMOS sensors came on the market.I wonder if owners of those other cameras are also having the white spot issue.
To SimonWilder:I suggest that you read the facts before making absurd statements. Leica encourages dust removal and even has recommended using an Arctic Butterfly. I have done so as often as needed; fortunately no more often that other cameras. For spots that cannot be easily removed by convention brush/air methods, they recommend, rather than do it yourself chemical swabbing, to send the camera to Leica for professional cleaning. Turn around time is no different than most professionals; about three weeks.Furthermore, while pro shops will charge for the service, Leica does it at no cost to the camera user.
Miron09: Leica owners I happened to know since the Seventies had many technical grievances, like wrongly adjusted meters, shoddy craftsmanship, etc. Leica never recovered from the Leica M5 mishap. The lenses sometimes offer exceptional quality, but the bodies were put together with second rate parts, in Portugal, Malaysia, etc.
The only Leica cameras that are not manufactured in Germany by Leica are those Leica branded Panasonic consumer grade cameras.The cameras are near identical except for the image processing firmware and software which is Leica specific. I have seen some information that indicates that the Leica branded Panasonic cameras are subject to closer inspection, but that may be only a rumor.
As for the M, X and T model cameras, if the camera says 'Made in Germany', it was.
Found this morning on the Leica website:
Additionally, I have seen a letter address to the Leica Users Forum(http://www.l-camera-forum.com) from Leica Product Management extendingsensor replacements to those already replaced that may have recurring corrosion as well as a refund to those customers who paid for replacement in the past.
I suspect that those of you who speculate that Leica will leave their customers in the lurch have been stung by past behavior of other camera companies; more likely those considered the big four. I have yet to see any such comments from people who actually own Leica manufactured cameras.
But I do expect to see continuing back biting by those who have nothing better to do than vent your spleen without any first hand knowledge of the subject you seem to hate . So pour it on if it makes you feel important.
Mike FL: I have great respect to Leica's optical, but the FF sensor M9 is really noisy @ISO.1600 as seen from the DP sample. Again, do not forget it is from a FF sensor camera while you check the sample:
Any thought? Disagree?
The M9 sensor is a CCD rather than the low noise current technology CMOS sensors. The main reason is that CCD's run hotter than CMOS and produce more noise. A few years ago when every camera had a CCD, we all thought ISO1600 was great.
Now the CCD sensor in the M9 is probably the best one ever madeexcept for the large format sensor they use in the Leica S2.
The new Leica M's now use a CMOS sensor capable of stratospheric ISO numbers in the multiple 1000's. Having said that, there are users who swear that the M9 up to ISO 800 or so makes a superior image. Not ever using a new M, I cannot comment except to say that my M9 does produce spectacular images. ButI only shoot at ISO 1200 or 1600 if I really need to. Frankly, shooting with an f2.0 or 1.4 lens really makes higher ISO's rarely necessary.
Jim Evidon: I sent my Leica M9 into Leica for an M9P upgrade and was informed by Leica that they were replacing the sensor as well. My sensor displayed the "white spot phenomenon". But so did my old Nikon D70s. Leica refers to it as corrosion. I have read that it is a problem with the cover glass made by Schott.
Leica picked up this problem and are replacing sensors at no cost to the customers; a very expensive courtesy to the company that few other camera companies would do.
Leica has issued a notice to their customers to avoid chemical cleaning their M9 sensors, but send their M9 into Leica for a cleaning at no charge. I assume that dust removal by the owner is still OK. I use an Arctic Butterfly.
As for Leica,I know of no other camera company with the possibly exception of Fuji that pays such close attention to customer issues and satisfaction. With a company like Leica, I expect to get many years service out of my M9P and know that Leica will stand behind it. Bravo!!
That is really their problem and my good fortune. I'm sure that they passed the policy by the company bean counters before initiating it. Their cameras have survived a very competitive market since the the 1920's when most of the other companies are long gone. They couldn't have done that without maintaining a reputation and a loyal customer base. I'm sure that fed into the equation and I wouldn't lose any sleep worrying about their future.
RStyga: That serves them right, they needed that bit of humility, arrogant dinosaurs... I'm happy to hear, now, all those Leica fanatics telling me how superior Leica cameras are in terms of build quality, once more...
Spoken like a person with a very big chip on your shoulder. Why the attitude? Leica owners are not fanatics. There is nothing to be fanatical about unless it is the enjoyment of using a camera without 1001 useless menu features that will never be used by the average person. Leica's are extremely well built solid cameras with close attention to detail combined by the one of the best optics on the market. Sure they are expensive. I promised myself as a young man that one day I would own one. I now own two; one for film and an M9 digital.
Your use of terms like humility and arrogant tells me that you have never met a Leica photographer. They are ordinary people that put their pants on one leg at a time like everyone else. They also enjoy using an exceptional camera and are lucky enough to be able to afford one. So, enough of the attitude, and may I add, enough of the arrogance.
I sent my Leica M9 into Leica for an M9P upgrade and was informed by Leica that they were replacing the sensor as well. My sensor displayed the "white spot phenomenon". But so did my old Nikon D70s. Leica refers to it as corrosion. I have read that it is a problem with the cover glass made by Schott.
"...Whats the difference between using this or just using a normal LED video light from say Yongnuo with 291 more LEDs and at the same time 12 times cheaper?And don't tell me the only difference is, that it "flashes" instead of being permanently on...."
You obviously know very little about high speed photography. Think light duration whether it be from the light source or from shutter duration. Both allow light to strike the sensor or film plane. 1/2M sec. shutters are not consumer available if at all. I suggest you bone up on photography basics.
chewdoggydog: These dummies with all the negative bs...sdaniella, if you are so damn smart, go work for NASA.
By chewdoggydog (6 hours ago)
"...These dummies with all the negative bs...sdaniella, if you are so damn smart, go work for NASA...."I did. At least for one of it's major contractors and for many years. So much for so called "negative bs".
Back in the good old days of rocket research, we used to rely on a high fps rate camera called a GSAP to study rocket engine firings. It's total running time was a matter of seconds. It cost a fortune then.
Now there may be one for less than $700? What possible use can an amateurphotographer have for such a device once he has taken a picture of a hummingbird in flight or a bullet shattering a light bulb? It's a marvelous achievement in price vs. performance, but it's long term use to the average photographer will be in bragging rights only.
Someone said he'd pick one up in a heart beat. And do what with it? Do you have any idea how quickly it will fill a 32GB card at 18.500 fps @ 2560 x 2048 pixels per image? I would imagine we are talking in terms of seconds.
It has a profound scientific future and I cheer for the inventor, but aside from that who in amateur photography needs it? Who will want one is another matter.
What a great idea. It is so obvious, but the ability to to precision manufacture the "film plane" or in this case, the sensor plane was not economically available previously.
Leica approached this concept with their M8 sensor which incorporated tilted lenses in front of the sensor to reduce edge distortion so that their standard M lenses could be used. But to curve the sensor and avoid extra compensating hardware is simplicity in design even though the manufacturing techniques to arrive at the solution must have been a real bear.
My hat is off to Sony and I'm sure that their customers will line up to incorporate this breakthrough in their many cameras. The obvious advantage will be in in lens design which will result in much lighter and simpler lenses. Of all of the "design breakthroughs" that have been issuing from camera companies for several years, this one is by far the greatest.
I would guess that it is less expensive in the long run.A casting would require machining to clean up surfaces and bring them into closer tolerance to assure precision fit for the components to be installed subsequently. So why not just design the body to be machined from a solid billet to begin with?
I am a happy user of a Fuji XPro-1 and an Olympus OM-D as well as Leica M's.
Leica is a hand manufactured, assembled and tested camera. Therefore, as compared to other excellent Japanese cameras like Fuji or Olympus which are mass produced, the price is going to be greater.
While I can't speak for these new Leica T lenses, Leica lenses typically have a certain character in the way they draw images. It can be seen in the contrast, the color, sharpness and bokeh that is best seen rather than objectively described. Does it result in a better image? There is a subject for discussion or argument.Do the images justify the price? To some, yes. To most consumers, probably not. But then Leica has never been for most consumers who run out an buy the latest version offered by the mass market.
Leica directs their products to a nitch market of professionals and hard core photographers who appreciate the quality build and long-lived ruggedness and who will continue to support their market.
This is a case of over-design. For my money, the best strap is one that is sized for the camera and user; i.e., no adjustment. One of the best straps I have used was one of the earliest sling straps made out of soft webbing with a simple ring that slides up and down the strap and attaches to a camera lug. The strap was hand made somewhere in VT and for all I know,they may be out of business.
The second best strap is another simple gem that I use on my Fuji XPro-1 made by Lance (http://lancecamerastraps.com/classic-non-adjust/).
It is simply a nylon woven line that does not adjust. You order it by length and color desired. It is nicely finished. Because of the large diameter of the nylon line, it is soft and comfortable and requires no shoulder pad. I carry it sling fashion while walking and around the neck while shooting. I have used Optech, Tamrac, Sun-Sniper, etc., and this Lance Strap beats them all.
Now, if someone would only make the perfect camera bag I'd be very happy.
"Chinese government orders Nikon to stop selling D600"
Says your friendly supplier of lead oxide baby teething ringsand your favorite brand of glow in the dark puppy meal.
Just as the Ford motor company will always be known for the Edsel, no matter what they did afterwards, Nikon will always be known for the D600. In fairness to Ford, the Edsel was an ok automobile with styling that misjudged market tastes. But the D600 will forever be known as living proof that Nikon really doesn't give a hoot about either it's customers or it's dealers.
For nearly 50 years I was a loyal Nikon customer and user. If I were just getting into serious photography today, I would avoid Nikon like the plague.