So, I went to the update pages and there was no update yet. Or perhaps, like most Adobe pages, it is well hidden among the several pages that urge you to buy new apps. If anyone found the update for LR CC and PS CC pages, please share the information so I, as well as others, can find it.
Valterj: Fuji cameras are expensive! Drop the price and sales will increase!
For example, Fuji X-T10 + 18-55 = 750 €
Since I don't own their stock and am satisfied with my X-Pro1, I'll just take them at their word. I don't think they'll be leaving the scene any time soon.
Perhaps you should read the article. Fuji sales for the X-T10 and other their serious level cameras are already going strong. If you want to pay less, either wait for the occasional sale or if you are in a hurry, buy another brand.
It looks like a nice little travel pod, but it would be nice if Manfrotto gave up its proprietary camera plate design and adopted the more universal Arca Swiss design. They might sell a few more tripods that way to people who have already invested in the Arca Swiss plates. As one of those people, I would never buy a Manfrotto tripod for that very reason.
Leather on the bottom only. A place where you can't see it. what a perfectly good waste of a cow. Think Tank recently did the same thing except their leather is on the front panel only. Make it all leather or all canvas and price it accordingly. I can't see anyone buying this bag for the stealth leather panel. In all other respects it looks like a nice bag and would be as nice if it were all canvas or all leather. What a silly idea!
TriezeA72: The "Leica experience" is a short self indulgent happy moment that expires when your credit card repayments fall behind
Trieze A72,"...if they want to poach potential Sony A7 buyers..."
That is just the point. I don't think they care to poach from Sony or any other camera maker except for models that fit in their price point. Time will tell whether the SL will be a success or not. Neither the SL nor the S will not be volume products. I think they are aimed at the professional who wants a camera that will keep working long after the big three products have broken down from over-use.
Have you ever had a Nikon shutter go sproing? I have. And it didn't happen that far out of warranty. Don't get me wrong. I was a loyal Nikon shooter for over 20 years and I think they still make fine cameras except for the ill-fated D600.
Or to put it another way, a Mercedes will get you there no faster than a Buick, but will keep running long after the Buick is returned to raw material for the next production run. IMO, Leica is not interested in competing with Sony. They just want to sell the cameras they do make.
TriezeA72,OK. I also own Fuji X-Pro1 and Fuji X glass. Wonderful products. Also I own Leica as well with an M9P and an X2. My primary lenses for the M are Zeiss ZM lenses plus wide and tele Elmarits. I frankly can't say which cameras produce the best images. All three are excellent.
The only reason I asked is that I suspect that many forum contributors are not necessarily users of the forum's brand of cameras and therefore many of those speak from ignorance or perhaps reverse snobbery. Obviously you are not one of those and your response to my question is a good one that applies to many but not all Leica owners.
Leica's are not for everyone. Professionals? Sure. People with a lot of disposable income? Definitely. Between those extremes are people like me who buy used pampered M's for less money and enjoy shooting pictures with a precision instrument. Leica's are devoid of extensive menus and have few buttons. They are simply straight forward uncluttered high quality cameras.
TriezeA72,And have you ever owned a Leica, or are you just carping?
Jim Evidon: The pictures are nice and all that, but how about some articles about what is new at PPE 2015, if anything? You know, real words and stuff.
OK. Thanks for the reply
The pictures are nice and all that, but how about some articles about what is new at PPE 2015, if anything? You know, real words and stuff.
Jim Evidon: Does it come with a lifting crane? Seriously, I have the Sigma 50-500 zoom lens, AKA "The Bigma" which I use infrequently, as good as it is, because of it's over-size. This new Chinese lens looks at least as big and as heavy. Large f stop=large glass= heavy weight. Seriously, it looks like an interesting lens but for infrequent use.
But compared to the price of the outstanding 135mm f 2.0 Zeiss prime lens, the price is a bargain if you must have a large f stop 135mm.
KSV: " I rather pick another Zeiss fir (sic) difference".
Me too. But we're talking about the list prices of each.I expect the Chinese lens will actually sell for considerably less.
maxola67: Anyway, it looks better than latest brick-like Leica.
Looks? Who cares? Function and ergonomics rate over looks every time. BTW, Pentax can always be counted upon to make a very good camera and with the acquisition of Ricoh ( or is it the other way around) it should be even better.
Disclosure; I own Leica's and I happen to think the Leica SL is a very good looking camera; very functional looking like the retro Olympus OM-D series. No need for bells and whistles or swoopy space taking curves. Just an in-your-face take or leave it camera.
Does it come with a lifting crane? Seriously, I have the Sigma 50-500 zoom lens, AKA "The Bigma" which I use infrequently, as good as it is, because of it's over-size. This new Chinese lens looks at least as big and as heavy. Large f stop=large glass= heavy weight. Seriously, it looks like an interesting lens but for infrequent use.
Jim Evidon: I checked out the studio image comparison page showing the Leica SL, the Nikon D750, The Canon 7D MK II and the Sony A 7II, 7RII, etc.
At ISO 6400 RAW, all cameras showed noise as should be expected. But the new Leica showed noise as tight and grain-like similar to extremely fine grain film. No particular color such as red or green was particularly prominent in the noise pattern. Perhaps their decision to hold the sensor photo sites to 24 megpxl instead of going for bragging rights with higher megpxl count like the others was the proper decision.
I see a lot to like but the $7000+ price rules out my purchase any time soon or even not so soon.
I may have picked the wrong Canon since I am not as familiar with their products as are you. The Sony 7II was DPR's selection and not mine. I simply substituted the Leica Q for the Canon. I was unaware that it is only APSC.
So go ahead and pick the full frame do-everything supercam of your choice from their drop down list and do your own comparison and let me know the results. Or pick an entirely different brand of supercam & format of your choice from their drop down menu and then let me know of your findings.
It was not my intention to claim that the Leica SL is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I was only commenting on the excellent control of noise.
Believe me when I say I have no brand prejudices except for specific cameras I own. And of all the cameras I own, all are at least two-three generations behind what is being offered now.
I'll explain what I mean.
Tight grain means uniform as opposed to clumpy and fine grain is self explanatory. When I set up the comparison test window, I found the Leica SL noise in the black areas to be reminiscent of Panatomic X film but much better defined.
I tried to drag the screen shot of what I did into this message, but it will not allow that action.
So, go to the comparison page and substitute the Leica Q for the Canon 7D Mk. II. Set the ISO to 6400 and the quality from jpg to RAW. Drag the sampling rectangle to an image or test pattern but with a black background (best for seeing noise) and offset the sampling rectangle so that the black is visible in the comparison windows.
You should see that both Canon and Sony have a distinct clumping of the colors in the noise and the noise particles or pixels are somewhat larger with a smeared look. The Leica SL show the noise more like a fine grain and the Nikon D750 comes extremely close noise-wise to the Leica SL.
Traditionally, tight grain meant uniform rather than clumpy. Fine grain means very very small. The Leica SL samples showed tight fine grain reminiscent of Panatomic X( ISO 25 ). In that respect, Leica got it right. While all are very good, look at the dark area where noise will show up the best. Note the Canon and Sony which have a color pattern in the dark area and tends toward the blotchy, whereas Leica has a tight grain like appearance with no predominate color. It's all small and uniform. Nikon comes so close to Leica it is hard to distinguish between the two./Users/jamesevidon/Desktop/Screen Shot 2015-10-21 at 3.47.49 PM.png
Retzius: It appears that Leica's CAD software is only able to draw circles and squares.
I can see a Leica engineer now screaming in a German accent: "Circles and squares only. We will have no ovals, triangles, or any complex polygons when designing this camera. Circles and squares only! Schnell!"
WayneHuangPhoto: How good is it at taking selfies?
Leica's don't do no selfies no how.
You may be correct, but I think a hands-on will be necessary to know how well the ergonomics are including the handgrip. As it is, it hasn't even been released yet alone reviewed by any website reviewers. It just seemed to me that to criticize a camera that precious few have seen and to throw bombs regarding the styling is, to say the least, premature. The camera has or will soon arrive at my local Leica Boutique as they like to call it according to a recent announcement of their's and I'll have a chance to be all touchy-feely and make up my own mind.In any case it is way out of my affordability range. I'll be keeping my M9P for a long time .
Frankly, I am more looking forward to the Fuji X-Pro2 coming in January since I have an X-Pro1 and am waiting for a significant upgrade. It promises a new sensor, dual SD cards and a lot of other upgrades that I find interesting. But that is a subject for another camera forum.
Because they don't care. Leica is a small and highly profitable company now unlike their former financial status. They will continue to make generations of RF cameras to satisfy a large potential market from owners of legacy lenses. But they have come out in the last four to five years cameras of exceptional quality in sufficient quantity to satisfy their market.
It is obvious that they are not concerned with the lower price cookie cutter market. What they are after is the high end market now dominated by Nikon and Canon with the brilliant new high end Sony's coming into their own. They used to own this market outright, but Canon and Nikon began taking their market share starting in the 1970's and 80's. It is clear that they are serious about taking it back and evidently have enough money behind them to invest in the R&D and advanced manufacturing tooling and techniques to do so.
I, for one, wish them a bright future. Photography would be a much dimmer place without Leica.