We all know dpreview loves Sony, so of course this got the gold award. As a standalone camera body, it most likely deserves it though, but I never understood how the surrounding ecosystem, the lenses and other accessories, can be overlooked when reviewing a camera. After all, it matters a lot for all practical purposes, and Sony's neglect of their APS-C ecosystem is in my opinion appalling. Sony are clearly focusing on "full frame" lenses, but I refuse to be part of an "upgrade path", paying for huge, expensive lenses made for a larger sensor. It seems like Sony are looking to Canon and Nikon who have had success with people buying their APS-C cameras as an "upgrade path" with "full frame" lenses, but I never liked the way Canon and Nikon treated their APS-C customers as second rate, and I don't like it when Sony copies that strategy.
Funny how owners of analogue-size "FF" equipment feel the need to bash every innovation that 4/3rds manufacturers put out. Come on, 800mm equivalent in that size? Who in their right mind wouldn't find that an intriguing option? Just an advice: If you can't be positive, or at least constructive, keep your mouth shut. Do you see 4/3rds owners flocking to the commentary field with negative comments every time a story is published about Canon/Nikon/Sony? Didn't think so...
What's with the headline? "Oh, wow" ... "incredible AF" (before even reviewing the camera)? I thought this site was supposed to be unbiased...
Make a smashing new camera with great performance, cripple some key features like the viewfinder and electronic level, now you've created an "upgrade path" to your essentially dinosaur "full frame" models. How do you still get a gold award? Underprice it a lot compared to competing brands, and even seasoned reviewers won't notice the crippling going on.
Why doesn't anyone have the guts to make a 17-120mm for a dslr or mirrorless? That would be a dream standard zoom, but everything starts at 24mm only so you still need to carry a true wideangle
I'd like it even better if it was called Noctilux like a real Leica. Panasonic should have demanded that. What's a "Nocticron" anyway??
peevee1: To put things into perspective. I bought 64" 3D plasma TV with all bells and whistles for less than that. I can buy a used car for less than that. I can buy a house in 3rd world country for less than that.
For the price of a Canon 70-200mm IS, you could buy two of those items. For the price of a (german-made) Leica Noctilux you could buy seven. Your point being......?
SeeRoy: "Stereoscopic effect..." Hmm. £1300... Double-hmm.I'll stick with my Olympus 45/1.8, thanks.Edited to discount the lens down from £1500 to a bargain basement £1300. I'll still keep my Olympus 45 though.
Oh great, yabokkie is here... Weren't you banned?
goshigoo: Spec-wise, it is even worse than fuji's one....except OIS
for $1600....it's better to get D610 + 85 f/1.8Gwhich is only ~USD $2000 in HK....
Point is, Barnet, this lens is not really overpriced. It's expensive, yes. Not everyone will be willing to pay for it. I'm not sure I am, though I probably will get it at some point. Regardless it's nice to know there is such a lens available in the system.
But overpriced it is not. Consider what you're getting: The brightest aperture available in an AF lens, for any system. OIS in an f1.2, a world first. Premuim, all-metal build. Supreme sharpness wide open (most likely), extremely rare in an f1.2. Silent AF that works just as well for photo and video. Also, you have to consider the system. m43 is (in my opinion) the most attractive system right now. People will pay more for a premium lens in a well-supported system with access to a range of nice camera bodies.
Look at the best lenses for Canon and Nikon. Pricing is just as steep, maybe even steeper. Look at Leica. Their lenses are not even AF, but many pay for them anyway.
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Are the lens reviews published by dpReview purposefully attempting to dumb down the readers, habitually 60% correct, or are the writers at dpReview simply and habitually working beyond their subject matter comfort zone and or technical level of proficiency?
This article being another disappointing report and or supplied text that arbitrarily disrespects industry established verbiage, thus convoluting the subject matter of optics and photography, apparently encouraged and or escaping past a management accustom to low performance standards (a.k.a. more apt at providing excuses for mediocrity and ultimately bad behavior).
1] "... portraits with rich stereoscopic effect ..."
No monocular system, forming a singular imaging upon a single focal plane, such that any given point on the focal plane sees an identical image (aperture), does not produce "stereoscopic effect" but rather the "perception of depth".
Not a review... Moron
More whining. Just shut up and vote with your wallet.
Matz03: so I can get then new fuji 56mm and an X-E1 or just the panasonic? or a 6d and the 85mm f1.8 for a tad more? Pricing here is absurd
Well get the Fuji then. No need to whine about it in here. Guess you really want the Panasonic, right?
Chanthis: $1600 for a m4/rds lens? LOL, there's one born every minute.
In a few years, when mirrorless medium-sensored cameras have 95% of the system-camera market, you'll realize how ridiculous your comment is.
slncezgsi: It will be very interesting to see how this lens will stack up against the Oly 45/1.8 (which is great and much cheaper and probably smaller and lighter). OK - there is 1 stop of a difference.
I personally think that it is great to have more choices.
But the price is STEEP for this one. With most of high end m43 bodies having built-in IS, having in-lens IS brings little advantage and just adds to price.
Kidding? Olympus video?? Really??? Have you seen Olympus video???
Remember, Panasonic m4/3 is as much about video as it is about photo. Without OIS, this lens would be pretty useless for handheld video...
SunnyFlorida: Memo to Panny - Fuji 56mm F/1.2 APS-C lens is $600 cheaper, good luck selling these
The Panasonic has OIS, the Fuji don't...
I lucked out with the filter mount coming in at 67mm. I own a Heliopan vario-ND (cost $353 new) in just that size. An ideal filter to use with such a lens, both in photo and video.
b534202: I would like to see Olympus tackle this FL & aperture and see what they can come up with w/o OIS.
They haven't try to sell one MFT lens for more than a $1000, unlike Pany.
Just wait for the 40-150mm f2.8
Olympus have been deadly afraid to make quality m4/3 products after that strategy failed with 4/3. Just now they're coming around with the E-M1. Just now they realize they should have made high-end m4/3 products from the get-go. Live and learn...
Lumix is looking more and more like the most desirable photographic brand. Their products are true photo/video hybrids. The design is lovely (look at the GX7). Their lenses are rock solid pieces of art, sharp from the widest aperture. They do avant garde stuff, like putting OIS in an f1.2 lens. They even control their own sensor manufacturing. And if you don't find the right Lumix lens that you need, you can be sure Olympus has something for you (even though their QC is not quite up to Lumix standards). m43 is becoming an extremely well-supported line of products.
Soon there won't be a need to pay for Leica branding any more. In some years the Lumix name will be more prestigeous.
razorfish: Of course this is more expensive than the Fuji. It has OIS! That's pretty groundbreaking stuff. A world first for a lens this fast actually.
Why come in here and write post after post about a product you obviously do not care for? What's that all about? I'll never understand such a sour mindset.