gLOWx: I'm not really convinced.I don't feel image quality is up to the price and my expectations for an m43 sensor.I was thinking about it to replace my E-PL5.But none of those pictures all around the web made me want to sell my E-PL5 with 20mm f1.7 Panasonic ;)On the other side, 20mm f1.7 is an impressive lens (apart focus speed).I even find my XZ-2 pictures (up to 400 ISO only) on par with all LX100 samples i seen. And it is not the same year and same sensor size...Don't know exactly what is the problem (CA, micro contrast, dynamic, optical quality...?), but there is one for sure.I expected an m43 sensor camera to output much more than a 1/1,7 sensor one.
First difficult choice is : interchangeable lens or fixed compact ?Because (i know it from hard experience) when you start with inter lens...you buy more than expected ;)I started with two lenses (20mm + 40-150) and i added 14-45 (good kit) and 50mm/1.4 legacy. My bag is full :DSo if you want a "do-it-all in a budget" choice, go compact.Those compacts are amazing nowadays ;)
I said i prefer my XZ-2 to LX100, witch is strange comparing sensors.I prefer my E-PL5 + 20mm to anything i owned so far, even XZ-2 ;)I keep XZ-2 because it is convenient to cover 28-112mm in a nutshell, and fast use. And as second camera when i don't want to swap lenses outdoor. f1.8 help to keep ISO 100 in almost all situations. And i've got an FL-36 flash for the rest :DI'm in love with Olympus punch and colors.Fuji and Oly are very similar in their rendering. A matter of taste and settings.My next purchase is probably going to be a Fuji ;)
Things are moving fast for some years. And now even faster.Sony is the biggest camera sensors provider for Nikon, Panasonic, Olympus...and Sony ;)I'm not afraid for their camera division because even if they sell more sensors than cameras, they need some "technical show" to sell them.
Now think about what will happen to Nikon or Canon DSLR lines when, in less than 3 years, mirrorless are going to over sell DSLR, like Samsung CEO said.On my side, i bought Olympus system with some lenses/flash... May be they are going to disappear...or not.Who knows ? I only know it is going to be a big mess sooner than later...and not necessarily the way we think ;)
If you cumulate all IDGAF votes in the last DPR poll about M3, you get 80%USA or not, it is a failure. I'm European, i love mirrorless concept (even if i love OVF pentaprism too).And frankly, Canon or Nikon are my last interest in mirrorless world.Give me a Sony, Fuji, Pana or Oly. May be even a Samsung.They don't pretend to take mirrorless seriously : they do it.
Mirrorless war started in 2008. They still don't take mirrorless seriously.They are the first DSLR maker, so they are going to be the first down to the floor when DSLR will loose its leadership. This is what happens when market flip from one side to another. See what happened in the film days.They have to be the first mirrorless maker in 3 years (estimated statistic date when mirrorless will over sell DSLR) to keep their leadership.And frankly, i don't see Canon anywhere near this point. Nor Nikon.
It is going to be fun in the next 3 years.
bgbs: The only reason why Nikon released this camera is because there is demand for astrophotography, and perhaps it is another avenue for them to get exposed. If astrophotography get dominated by Nikon (even if the market is thin), their name will become synonymous with astrophotography and perhaps that would help propagate their brand.
It is the Canikon way since the beginning ;)They known ppl will buy from them if they provided enough "exposure". Why Red or Yellow brand color ? As far as i know, there is no Oly, Pana or Sony official "color".Canikon know what exposure mean for sure. That's why Minolta died (not enough "pro" oriented). And that's why Pentax was almost dead when Ricoh bought them. Not enough "exposure". Fuji was almost dying too, with their consumer cameras. And they created the X100, combining exposure AND sells.To sell something, you need exposure even more than quality or innovation.Make the best cameras in the world, if no one see them on TV, internet or used by big pros...bye bye. You are dead.Even if Nikon loose money on this camera (not sure about this), they will gain in the long run. It worked...until now ;)
Even if i got other complex softwares for the same task, i still love it.Their online viewer is very nice too.Thanks about the news, i just updated it ;)
Very nice at 3200 ISO. I really see noise at 6400, but almost nothing at 3200.
Robert Garcia NYC: Detail and color look pretty good for a micro four thirds.
Especially at 6400ISO ;)
ManuelVilardeMacedo: Why on earth does a camera review (Canon 5D R) get ten times more comments than a lens' review? Bodies come and go, lenses stay (even more so in this digital age); that's why lenses are the heart of a phogorphic system. It should be the other way round, but I guess cameras have more gizmos and fancy figures... oh well.
According to the guy who run lensrental.com, 9 on 10 ppl buy an inter lens camera...and NEVER change the stock lens.You can buy second hand cameras with lenses "sticky" on their mount, used for 5 years or more.On my side, i just bought my first (digital) inter lens camera and already use 3 lenses for 3 different uses.And even if i will never buy this lens, i find it very interesting. Because i know value of lenses. in general.The argument about ppl who will never buy this lens is exactly the same about body ;)Who will buy a 7D Mark II now and brand new ?Not so much. But ppl will discuss a lot more about it.Like OP said, a lot of ppl don't value lenses vs body. Too bad...Features are one thing (body win), but passion should win with lenses. Seeing that beautiful engineering, i'm in love even without "test" pictures ;)
Nice guide, clear and useful.Some parts apply to other Olympus cameras, like E-PL5 and even XZ-2 i own ;)
kolyy: I don't get the autofocus remark. Single point autofocus of GM1/GM5 is decisively better than A5100/A6000, especially under low light. And despite using a purely contrast detect system, continuous autofocus is very very useable. It's most certainly not "more point-and-shoot-like than the competition". Quite the opposite, it's one of the strenghts of the camera.
Panasonic AF is the fastest in mirrorless world.But Sony is close behind. And Olympus (along with Fuji) are last ;)But i still love my Oly for what i do.For wildlife/sport, i would have bought a Panasonic.
2012 m43 sensor is not more dated than a 2012 D800 sensor.All made by Sony. Would ppl find this sensor "dated" if mounted on a recent camera ?Not me.
Nice one !It could have been a The Lord of the Rings scene ;)
gLOWx: You want small body AND lenses ?That's why i gone m43 sensor, and don't regret it a bit ;)
You can't get all. If you choose APS-C, you will get equivalent lens size/weight, mirrorless or not. Because mirroless change mounting flange distance, nothing else. Mirrorless has strictly no impact in lens design size/weight over reflex.When you get very small APS-C lenses,it is because they have reduced aperture (f4 vs f 2.8) or reduced quality (like sliding storage position).
Here, we have a constant f2.8 zoom quality lens. It can't be smallerI even find it very small for those specs ;)If real world quality follow the specs, it is an amazing lens for a very small size.
You want smaller ? Go m43, it is the only other way i see.Chasing small lenses on big sensors is not logical, until you limit your choice to pancake lenses or fixed small focal length (like an X100) :D
I never seen a small APS-C wide angle at f2.8, mirrorless or not.Mirrorless just remove mirror, it doesn't change optical laws.As i said, the only ways to make smaller lenses are well know for years :- reduce light (f4 vs f2.8) and so reduce quality and possibilities- make collapsing design, but it reduce quality (never seen a tack sharp collapsing pancake lens) and still normal when in use.And those lenses are never fast, too.- use a smaller sensorYou can't fight against optical laws, light wavelength and such.
ahmami: Very interesting, but should DPreview be in the business of posting rumours?
It depends...sometimes "rumours" are send by the company itself.But they don't want anything "official". So skipping them could be an error from "news" point of view...and a bad choice from the company too ;)Like all those supposed "rumours" from Apple.We all know, and since Apple debuts, they are from Apple themselves.
Cheng Bao: I'd like to see this tech comes to mid-range FF camera with low sensor resolution like Df, A7s, 1Dx(strip down to some lower class body).
So, I can have both high ISO performance or low ISO resolution in same affordable package.
Canon and Nikon don't do FF/APS-C sensor shifting, as far as i know. Because they always pushed ppl over (expansive) lens stab ;)Pentax do it for a long time.Sony started recently with new Alpha line (NEX are not sensor stab), and probably going to move some lines in this domain ;)
Timmbits: To achieve this, you are probably increasing exposure time by as much.
Not something I would personally care for...
although I canimagine that for some people, excessively high resolution files might have some sort of benefit?
I thought directly : landscape and portrait ;)
Pentax created "fake" anti-aliasing filter by shifting the sensor sightly when the shot is done. So you can disable/enable the low pass/anti aliasing filter whenever you want ;)Very clever. Now Olympus open another breach.It shows how amazing sensor shifting can be, apart pure stabilization.
For moving subjects it is probably going to be unusable (probably double exposure).But for portraits, landscape and such, it is going to be amazing.
You want small body AND lenses ?That's why i gone m43 sensor, and don't regret it a bit ;)