gLOWx: For those tempted (or already using) X-Trans sensors, forget about Lightroom support. They took 5 years to get an average/acceptable Olympus/Panasonic rendering.And Capture One still eat LR for breakfast in this domain.
You want the best picture from your Fuji X-Trans (and Pana/Oly too) ?Get Photo Ninja.And integrate Photo Ninja as export/plugin inside LR if you want to use LR management and plugins support.Adobe are like Canon : they move only when they are forced to. And Fuji market share is not going to force them, even Pana/Oly didn't succeeded ;)
Take some hours on Photo Ninja and you will never use anything else for meticulous raw rendering. Especially on X-Trans.
I was speaking to ppl thinking they will get a good Trans-X support in LR : don't even think about it. It is not going to happen anytime soon.I use LR, but for plugins after RAW rendering, catalog, publishing, small edits... It is not a matter of conspiracy again. Adobe don't care about Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus and Sony.Another reality not related to conspiracy, but just money and market share.I agree with you about workflow, because at the end, if you can't handle your pictures, they are useless and just hard drive fillers ;)
Zeegee: Having worked for a Japanese company for 25+ years I am never surprised at the baffling approach to "improvements" of an existing design. In the company I worked for the original engineering group was not consulted on the improved design and almost never are consumer complaints given serious consideration. Even suggestions from company technicians who interface with frustrated consumers were regularly dismissed.......very, very frustrating!
Not so simple ;) Page 6"Olympus has done a really good job of addressing the hardware concerns we had about previous models: shutter shake, battery life and poorly-chosen LCDs, meaning the E-PL7 has it within it to be one of my favourite cameras in its class. And yet..."
For those tempted (or already using) X-Trans sensors, forget about Lightroom support. They took 5 years to get an average/acceptable Olympus/Panasonic rendering.And Capture One still eat LR for breakfast in this domain.
G5MACDADDY: I feel sorry for DPReview editors these days. So many people criticizing everything no matter what they do. This is a photo site about photo gear and making images. Why people feel the need to be critical about every minute thing (I mean 4:1 compression on audio??? REALLY???) is beyond me. Throughout my years in the business, I find that measurbaters typically are not the ones out there making images but rather trolling sites just to see their comments online. If you have trouble making good/useful/sellable images with most any modern camera and lens these days, then you have an issue elsewhere, than blaming the equipment itself. I'll just leave it there because I fully expect to get bashed for stating my opinion here. I just need to learn to quit reading comments here. It's like being on YouTube. SMH
Can i bash you ? Not ;)DP do most things the right way to me. And the rest is almost peanut.I seen Oly/Pana/Fuji/Sony/Canon/Nikon cameras praised the same way when DP was thinking it was a good camera.Seeing the last Gx7 review, they are, once again, honest and professional.And about this video, some ppl asked DP to go outdoor with this camera...and they done it ;) But even then, there will be some complaints...
Vesku: Thanks for review.
I have GH4 and I like it very muchI still want to add some things to CONS conclusion:
-Many important menu items can not set to Fn-buttons-Exposure values are not shown in video mode-Badly behaving lenses in video. 14-140mm II OIS jitters, aperture jumps and zooming is very unparfocal.-Auto iso in M photo mode has no EV-control-JPG engine is not very good, RAW photos are much better-Some ergonomic issues like review-button in wrong side-AF lock button is not working logically (cant use during video)
There is an error in review about video AF. Review says:
"in video mode....... the AFS/AFF and AFC positions both behave in the same manner... "
If AF lever is in AFC position the focus hunts wildly before record starting and causes usually first seconds of video out of focus. IF lever is in AFS position video starts normally. I think this is a bug.It would be an easy task for FW update to ignore AFC position and change it to work like AFS in video mode.
I owned some Panasonic cameras, and an Olympus. JPEG need tweaking in-camera settings. You can search the net for some guidelines. It is true most base settings are too neutral for a lot of ppl. But tweak them, you get amazing results. More contrast, lower NR, raise a little Sharpening...always the same with Pana ;)To me, Panasonic and Olympus are among the best JPEG engines.Even if, stock, i prefer Olympus : less "realistic", but more "gorgeous". But you can for sure make a Pana more gorgeous, and Oly more realistic by tweaking them.
gLOWx: Canon behavior is based on their fear. They fear their own mirrorless could cut their own DSLR sales.Mirrorless is becoming a real alternative to DSLR.At the end, Canon (and Nikon) are loosing the mirroless race because they feared creating concurrent products to their DSLR...whereas they already loose their DSLR market with Sony, Fuji, Pana, Oly mirrorless.They thought almost no DSLR user was going to replace a DSLR by a mirrorless, and so keeping their own brand big sensors mirroless away was a security for their DSLR sells, but it is already happening for years.And now, they are late. Very late in fact. They fear the revolution, but it is already coming to their doors.
Yes, it is a probability.But i've already seen big mistakes from big companies in the film era ;)Of course it is not the same danger level, but like in a race, it depends on your reactivity.Will Canon and Nikon react like with Apple iPhone 1 and surprise everyone ? I don't think so. Sony already done it, it will not work again :DBut time will tell, like you said ;)We will know if they lost the curve in less than 5 years.
Danzgroove: I'll tell ya...I've been a Canon user for 30+ years, and now I'm reading all these comments and it seriously makes me think twice about buying a new Canon 7D-5D-70D-60D, any of them. My complaint over the years has been the really awful auto focusing. I use manual all the time, mostly because I prefer too, but it would be nice to count on it every so often. I gotta say. My son uses the Sony A7s cameras, and I've never seen better photos and video. Amazing. The focus system is spot on under every lighting situation, and the features are way ahead of most other frequently used brands. My issue is all the Canon gear that I have that I have counted on for years will end up in the closet if I make that jump to Sony. I would also need the adapter so my 6 lenses will work on the Sony. But I could only use them for video if I don't buy the auto focus adapter. Other wise...since it's a 'full frame' camera, I need 'full frame' lenses for photos. Bummer as far as $$ goes. It's not easy.
It is why it is called "system" ;) You put a finger in the machine, you buy lenses...and you are stuck. Canon made their money with this "system".About Sony video/pictures (same applies to Fuji/Olympus), they are "punchy". If you are used to Canon (same applies to Panasonic) neutral balance, you will find other brands more "alive".Comparing Canon/Panasonic to Sony/Fuji/Olympus is similar to comparing Kodachrome to Velvia. Everyone his taste, but i prefer Velvia ;)Good luck with your future decision :DPS : take a look at Olympus OM-D as a DSLR alternative. And Fuji X100, to get an idea of my "Velvia like" concept ;)
Ashuaria Lee: Having both mirror and sensor Phase-AF is waste.I know that Movie AF cannot use the Mirrored AF sensors, but That what SLR IS. Single Lens Reflex.
Hope to see No mirrored SLR-styled cameras from Canon soon.
Sony created a fixed semi-transparent mirror for their DSLR.They don't make any new DSLR and concentrate on mirrorless.Life is funny, sometimes :D
ThomasSwitzerland: More pixels are not the way. But prosumers demand that. Hard to make predictions. The future is in SW triggered devices. HW is only a tool, becoming a commodity. Mirrorless is the answer. You do no more need pentaprism and else. We are in a situation like migrating from film to digital.
And Canon represent one of those backward oriented companies, at least in their classic digital camera line. They like themselves most, accompanied by such an unreflected Director's smile and reply. Markets will resolve this.
DSLR will not always be faster.There are already hybrid phase/contrast focus, electronic viewfinders are still a bit "slow" and average IQ but it gets better every year, even 6 months ;)Biggest advantage of DSLR is no-lag, perfect definition optical viewfinder combined with fast autofocus (phase detection).As EVF improve, and mirrorless already get phase/contrast focus....in less than 5 years, you will get an equivalent mirrorless to the faster DSLR. In technology, there is no "never". Only a question of time, and time is running fast ;)For now, and for sure, nothing can beat a fast/sport DSLR.
Chronis: there comes a time for any company who's been leading for years to decide whether they are willing to face the competitors head on and sustain their leadership, or keep milking the cow and become irrelevant in short period of time.....
the examples are endless....
IBM, Kodak, Nokia to name but a few...
leaders in their industry once, nowhere to be found now... I think that Canon is doing a good job printing a nice label of their logo (using canon printers :-) so that they can join this long list....
Angry and uttterly dissapointed being a canon customer. the "plastic' executive ooozes this message....
The funniest thing is when you tell ppl Canon and Nikon don't innovate compared to Sony,Fuji, Pana and Oly, there are a lot of ppl saying : What ? They are the two first DSLR makers !Trouble is DSLR is going to die soon, but ppl are not ready. Like Canon and Nikon. This is what is happening when there is a technical revolution, and ppl still think the old way.Remember Minolta ? If Canon or Nikon camear section fall, Sony will buy it to improve their optics...like Minolta ;)
Canon behavior is based on their fear. They fear their own mirrorless could cut their own DSLR sales.Mirrorless is becoming a real alternative to DSLR.At the end, Canon (and Nikon) are loosing the mirroless race because they feared creating concurrent products to their DSLR...whereas they already loose their DSLR market with Sony, Fuji, Pana, Oly mirrorless.They thought almost no DSLR user was going to replace a DSLR by a mirrorless, and so keeping their own brand big sensors mirroless away was a security for their DSLR sells, but it is already happening for years.And now, they are late. Very late in fact. They fear the revolution, but it is already coming to their doors.
gLOWx: Once again, REAL innovation don't come from Canikon, but from Panasonic, Olympus, Sony and Fuji.FZ1000 was already impressive in bridge.And now this one in compact.
I really want to see some production final samples, because those provided over the net are very inconsistent.Operator error ? Different firmware ? We will see ;)
If you want to speak about facts, let's go ;)The biggest innovation about video on Canon came from Magic Lantern...and it is NOT a Canon software.Canon and Nikon concentrate on their DSLR. And this branch is dying, whatever ppl think. Sells are dropping like rain. I see unsold DSLRs on the selfs, even with heavy discount.Only professionals and some amateurs care about them.Market is mirrorless, inter or fixed lenses. And in this domain, Canikon are far away...very far away.So yes, they innovated, but it was at least 10 years ago.Now innovation is Sony, Fuji, Pana, Oly... side.You don't agree ? No problem. Tell us something equivalent to Sony FF mirroless, Fuji TransX, Oly/Pana m43 OM-D on the Canikon side in the last 10 years. Good luck ;)
shutterpete: I can't help feeling that my old Fuji X20 lens gave sharper crisper results than the LX100 samples seen here. Can anyone agree or disagree?
Some ppl got better samples elsewhere.May be firmware ? Bad stock settings ?
ealvarez: why buy this if u could buy A6000 kit cheaper
Most ppl don't even know "what is a good lens ?" concept ;)Most ppl don't even see basic features (focal length and aperture).That's why they buy a DSLR 18-55 kit to do safari. Until they realize they don't have enough "zoom" (what ? "zoom" is the scale between shorter and longer focal length ?...and what is focal length ? ;) ).That's why, like i wrote before, 90% inter lens users never change their stock lens (real world stat). No everyone is passionate/professional enough to understand what is behind. In fact, very few ppl. Around 1 of 10...and you are back to 90% users never changing their inter lens ;)That's why i liked this article, clear on the lens side :DBut you will still see posts from ppl not understanding what is a good lens on it. No article, no post will change this. It never changed, even with 20 years of internet photo articles on the subject ;)
broody: Why buy a bulky 12-35mm for your GX7 when you can buy an equivalent, compact 1.8-2.8 lens with an LX100 attached for the same cost? That's my reasoning...
Exactly why some ppl bought Fuji X100 too.You get an amazing camera AND lens, for the price of a separate lens for an inter camera.Camera is for free ;)
May be because, as usual, kit lens don't cut it ?
Mike FL: ...Soon will be a new Canon coming?
Trouble with Canikon is they are making a LOT of money with their DSLR. And they sell compact/bridge based on their DSLR fame.But DSLR are going to disappear sooner or later...so what they are going to do ?They are stuck between rushing to mirrorless (fixed lens or not) or pushing their DSLR line only.That's why they don't innovate anymore. There is nothing really new in the DSLR market for years. Even Sony dropped their DSLR. And they were at the third place in this domain...just behind Canikon.
Take any Canikon compact in hand, really use it.Take any Panalympus compact in hand, really use it.
And you when you want to throw the Canikon on the wall because it is slower in operation and kill your flow...you know why (apart "features") you want a Panalympus.
Features are one thing, real world use is another ;)If you don't find Canikon compacts slow and sluggish, then you can buy a Canikon compact.
Edgar_in_Indy: Any word on how speedy the interface and operations are on the LX100?
There's a lot I like about my RX100-II, but something that always annoys me is how sluggish it is when I want to go back and review my photos. My Pentax DSLR is very fast for browsing and zooming in on photos, and even my Olympus XZ-1 is pretty good in this regard.
You will probably need to wait for a full review with final product ;)But i can tell you i never seen a "sluggish" Panasonic or Olympus interface :DSony are different in this domain. They waited a lot to put manual controls, all was menu "convoluted" on the first NEX series and the first RX100. I wish they improved that part, because it was why i never clicked on Sony.I prefered XZ-2 dual continuous/stepped ring (example)So if you liked Oly XZ-1 interface, you will probably like Pana too ;)
Once again, REAL innovation don't come from Canikon, but from Panasonic, Olympus, Sony and Fuji.FZ1000 was already impressive in bridge.And now this one in compact.