gLOWx: 18MP on 1/2.3" ?They probably didn't learned from their past experience when ppl reproched bad image quality on their FZ45/FZ100 14MP, and came back to 12MPMay be, with technology upgrade, 14MP now...but certainly NOT 18MP.Some pics here are taken with slow shutter speed...probably a little shake ?.
Very limited dynamic range to me.Amost alll pictures seems overexposed, even if they are not, due to "dynamic shrink". May be because most pictures are JPEG on-camera ? Or general "softness", giving this illusion ?My old FZ38 do better with a similar 1/2.3 sensor size, but very older tech.On the positive side, not so much noise on 400ISO for a small sensor ;)I love Panasonic bridges...but i prefer Olympus point and shoot ;) In the early days, Panasonic was giving the same quality attention to their P&S than their bridges...but now they are running the consumer megapixel race, like Sony.A chance, they don't do that on their bridges and "enthusiast" P&S...for now ;)
Not. Averaging 8MP afterward will NEVER give you the same result than sensor size.Because you already lost dynamic range. It has nothing to do with resolution itself. When you post a web sized image, it is under 2MP. But it changes nothing to the fact an old 8MP APS-C sensor picture will look better than this new 18MP 1/2.3 sensor when resized to 2MP.Learn your basics, instead of speaking about performance myths. Crappy sensor still crappy sensor, even resized to 2MP.This camera take smartphone quality pictures.
ericsan: Just hope that Canikon will wake up and delivers their own 1'sensor compact & bridge cameras shortly (Photokina in september) to have a wider product choice...
Most incomes from Canikon are from system DSLR cameras.EVF on big sensors is their enemy : it will prove optical VF is not mandatory. APS-C,1" mirrorless with EVF : same with quality associated to EVF. You want quality ? buy a DSLR :DMirrorless hybrid ? no way. You want lens change ? Buy a DSLR :D
One day, DSLR will disappear from the market, like film disappeared. EVF are growing strong.And Canikon do their best to avoid that ;)Pushing the mirrorless/1" sensor/EVF/hybrid market is the opposite of what they want to do. They will move, but when they will gain more than they loose on DSLR market.
Sam808: FZ1000 photo is sharper on the right side and RX10 is sharper on left side of the frame, it's weird!
Is it a lens issue or focus problem?
Probably cameras not parallel to the scene.And so when the camera set focus on center, one side is sharper than the other...but not the same side on each camera :DI've barely seen any lens with asymmetric troubles. But a bunch of "non parallel" settings for sure ;)
JavaJones: It seems DPR simply doesn't review or care about some of the unique aspects of the K-3. How about an evaluation of the weather sealing and comparison to other models? Or a simple breakdown of lens focal lengths available with weather sealing among different manufacturers. I don't know who would win but it's certainly a worthwhile question, particularly relevant to anyone considering Pentax.
Similarly, what about testing Image Stabilization and its effectiveness? Has this ever been tested here, for lenses or camera bodies? I don't recall, though I know others have. The fact that it's in-body with K-3 is hardly mentioned, much less tested. How does it compare to lens-based stabilization of other systems?
Finally, it's great (really great!) to test focus tracking. But I don't recall seeing similar tests on other recent cameras. Is it just taken for granted that they handle this stuff well, and the K-3 is only being tested due to poor past performance and claimed improvements by Pentax?
D7100 was out before, so price is down from release date.I would not take in account body price difference. You pay a SYSTEM camera. What is important is what you want to do in the future. Thinking "now" is reserved to closed cameras like compact/bridge.With system cameras, you need to know if you want to use complex speedlite configuration (Nikon, Olympus), cheaper amazing second hand manual primes (Pentax all the way) and on and on. With OM-D, you go the m43 format...it is another way ;) If you care about short to medium focal length manual prime lens, Pentax will be cheaper than any other. Olympus makes AMAZING lenses (like Pentax)...but they cost the same price than their APS-C counterpart. Check Pentax Limited series and Takumar :D To me, they are even better than Olympus.I can't help you on the AF side ;)
18MP on 1/2.3" ?They probably didn't learned from their past experience when ppl reproched bad image quality on their FZ45/FZ100 14MP, and came back to 12MPMay be, with technology upgrade, 14MP now...but certainly NOT 18MP.Some pics here are taken with slow shutter speed...probably a little shake ?.
Olympus and Panasonic don't make DSLR so selling m43 don't scare them :DI can add a lot of users who tried several brands of mirrorless found Canon and Nikon ones being less attractive, especially in the "reactivity" domain.Canikon know, one day, that DSLR will disappear, replaced by EVF mirrorless, hybrid optical/electronic EVF and such.And this day is coming faster than most ppl think it is.Canikon don't want to loose that market...but they are afraid to switch too soon and loose all ppl thinking DSLR is the ultimate thing forever.Like when the same kind of ppl thought video or live view should not be implemented on DSLR because it is a noob point'n shoot feature...you probably know some of them ;)
Ross the Fidller: "The FZ1000's maximum aperture drops off very quickly, as soon as you start to zoom, and by around 150mm equivalent, it's a whole stop slower than the Sony RX10. However, this still leaves it half a stop faster than the likes of the Olympus Stylus 1."
What are you saying??? The Olympus Stylus 1 is a constant f/2.8 for the equivalent of 28-300!!! (I'm talking brightness, not DoF)
OK, you're trying to say it doesn't perform in low light as well as larger sensors. Yeah, I know that, but it is still quite nice for its size.
With the SAME sensor technology, yes.But it is not real world ;)Take an old m43 body and a new m43 body.Put the same lens on them, same aperture.They are exactly at the same "equivalent aperture", right ?Same sensor size, same aperture setting, same lens.Now take a 1600ISO shot on both, and compare ;)You can do the same test with a very old FF sensor and a new 1" Sony sensor. And tell me witch one take better low light/high ISO pictures ;)
A common (probably true, don't know) scheme is "in-lens" working better for long focals because there is more "margin" to correct shake.If you like Pentax prime lenses, you don't care.If you want to shoot birds and safari...take a closer look ;)And about "past" and Pentax, almost no serious tests are done on Pentax...because it is not Canikon :DSame applies to Sony Alpha of course. You need to search very hard to get a nice serious review...
Westcoast Guy: About "Bulb" and remote cable release use...
I do a lot of tripod-mounted time-laps shots for star trails, weird optical effects in low-light, etc.
How long does the K3 take from the end of, say a 30-min exposure, to copy it to the SD card?
I have a K20-D and I have to allow equal amounts of "shot time" as well as "transfer time". ex. 30 minutes exposure + 30 minute transfer time = 1 hour per shot.
It is not 30 minutes transfert, it is 30 minutes shot with closed shutter ;)It takes a "black" frame just to get the noise pattern, and subtract it from the real image.Any modern camera do this to reduce noise on long exposures.You can disable it on most cameras.Search for ""long exposure noise reduction" ;)
gLOWx: I never bought a SONY for several reasons.But the main one is : CONTROLS !
SONY mirrorless cameras create amazing IQ...but crappy shooting experience.Thats' why i bought an XZ-2 instead of an RX-100 v1.RX-100 IQ was better, but it was not enough to me to justify choice.
I'm not going to buy any SONY camera until they understand how to improve SHOOTING experience.
Because IQ and features are one thing.A pleasing camera to use without sub menu crawling is another.
So i will try thanks ;)Even if on product photos, i don't see anything ground breaking :D
It is EQUIVALENT aperture ;)Stylus sensor is 1/1,7" only.And so get less "equivalent aperture" than a 1" sensor.It doesn't matter, apart "depth of field" wise. And it is clearly written in the description,if i remember well.This equivalence was invented because ppl were asking for real DoF, instead of "relative" values.My XZ-2 is f1.8 at wide...but nothing comparable (DoF wise) to a FF sensor with f1.8 lens :DWe are going to have the same troubles with this notion than with "equivalent focal length"...
d7k2v2: It's nice to see the 1" sensor gaining mainstream acceptance. When nikon introduced the 1" sensor everybody wailed how tiny it was. Now DPreview calls these "large sensor" cameras.
@DheorlLike calling RX10 "superzoom" whereas it is only 24-200mm and so 8x only, compared to some 60x ;)Camera makers are filling every "niche" market by blending lines.It is a superzoom..but without so much zoom.It is a big sensor...but smaller than the other one.It is a DSLR looking camera...but with an electronic VFIt is a FF camera...but without serious controls (hello Sony A7 :D )And on and on...I wonder what will happen when all DSLR will be replaced by electronic VF :D (hello Canikon)
Rick Knepper: Using the Studio comparison tool, I see no reason to own this or any camera with a one inch sensor especially if one's primary format is FF. I was drawn here yesterday because of the hubbub over the RX100 III. Same reaction today. IQ is too compromised especially when fine detail is necessary.
Of course, the RAW isn't available yet but I downloaded the jpegs of this and the 5D3 (as I did with the RX100 III) and even on this modest laptop, viewing at "Fill the Screen" size in PS (making it a relatively small image), The differences are quite plain to see.
The FZ1000 and the RX 100 III images look nearly indistinguishable significant in the sense that the lenses are this super zoom versus a relatively moderate 24-70.
Try to buy and carry a 400mm FF.We will talk later to your banker and your masso-kinesitherapist ;)
Sony responded to FZ200 f2.8 constant 600mm with a bigger 1" sensor f2.8 constant 200mm.And so Panasonic responded to Sony with a 1" up to 400mm...but without f2.8 constant :DLike when they created their FZ70 / FZ72, creating wider angle and longer reach (1200mm) to complete their own FZ200.Panasonic is impressively reactive to concurrent products. Like Sony.But i prefer Panasonic and Olympus ;)I will try Fuji too :D
dpmaxwell: Just curious, at what point does DPReview stop referring to cameras as "compacts"? This camera is as big as many DSLRs.
On the other side, RX10 is 200mm only...and called superzoom by many because of form factor ;)Nikon P600 is 1440mm. That's what i call a superzoom :D
beavertown: Control buttons are great! Wow what a dream come true.
Canikon are far behind.
Actual innovation leaders are Panasonic, Olympus, Sony and Fuji.They created translucent mirror, new sensor tech, hybrid optical/electronic viewfinder and more.On the other side, Canikon are selling DSLRs systems like hot cakes :D
TheProv: Does it have full sensor readout for videos or skip lines?
@ThePhilipsClearly. Noise pattern is identical. And noise level too in raw ;)That's why i avoid comparing JPEGs. Especially on Panasonic, because their default JPEG settings are always bad :D I always (at least) drop noise reduction, and raise sharpness a little.That's how their engines work, and it didn't changed for years.
George Veltchev: At Studio Comparison both Panasonic DMC-FZ1000 and Sony Cyber-shot RX100 III, demonstrate unenviable level of noise at higher ISO, when face the one and only Canon PowerShot G1 X Mark II ( check for yourself ) ... if your main goal is IQ in relatively compact package then the Canon is a clear winner here ... end of story!
Trouble is IQ not being the only factor.And sensor not being the only IQ factor, because there is a lens in front of it.Controls, reactivity are important too.What's the point having good (potential) IQ if you can't get sharp image due to bad optic or autofocus ? Or simply miss a shot because of sub menu labyrinths ?That's called the DxO syndrome :D
quezra: If reviews are good, this could be the camera that makes me break my no-more-cameras vow this year. It seems to deal with the few niggles I had with the FZ200 decisively. Well done Panasonic! Very good to see some competition in the 1" segment at last.
On my side, i may buy an FZ200 and wait for this one dropping a little ;)
crashpc: It´s not fair to pick just one aspect of the camera, compare it with another cam and conclude that the another one is better. Many ILCs are both smaller and kill both Pana and Sony in image quality right? Of course we forgot to say it has poor controls, and we compare it with small prime lens, shooting studio test scene. How about birding, hm? Who´s the b*** now? :-)
More of these.
Same applies to ppl saying entry level DSLRs + kit cost the same price than superzooms, and so you NEED to buy a DSLR.They forget superzooms are called like this because they can go up to 1440mm equivalent ;)Try to find the price of an APS-C 1440mm equivalent lens (if any) + body. And after see weight, size, handling...Most ppl are comparing oranges and apples, but think their taste is better than others ;)And they are so good they can shoot birds or safari with a 18-55mm kit :D