I know you may not currently have each and every camera that you've listed, but the Roundup image group shots aren't very appealing...maybe just a straight frontal image of every body would be better than a mix and match hodgepodge of front shots, angled shots and some without lenses etc.
Just saying as this is a photography/gear website...
tonywong: 12 hours later and no comments. Guess that tells me how popular the Lytro cameras have sold and how much interest there is in this product. Maybe once VR headsets become popular this will change...
...and now it has time travelled to the top. ;-)
Odd that the time stamp says 12 hours from the Theron Humphrey A7R II field test...
12 hours later and no comments. Guess that tells me how popular the Lytro cameras have sold and how much interest there is in this product. Maybe once VR headsets become popular this will change...
As of today, Black Friday deals have ASP for $20 on the Corel website and $40 for a macappware bundle which includes ASP, so those are the best deals so far, FYI.
jakegrahamphotography: Why is everyone whining about battery life? Toss a few spares in your pocket and problem solved, the things are tiny
The external USB battery pack is a great addition, but I wouldn't want to count on it simply because the usb connector is exposed, and bumping a the cable at the mount point is a recipe for a damaged port. Great for long exposure shooting on a tripod, but for run and gun I'd rather use a grip with an extra battery, which makes the A7R2 merely passable in battery life.
rev32: 90%? Really? What does the D810 get, which clears the sensor more quickly and can be used for sports and wildlife? 95%?
The D810 is a very good camera, but it is SLR sized (not always a plus to be small like the A7R2 depending on lenses).
D810 also does not have IBIS, 4k video, no MILC short flange distance for adapted lenses (with autofocus), no tilt screen, no wifi, no nfc.
More importantly the A7R2 has great dynamic range, which none of the Canons have, but the Sony can use a lot of Canon glass with almost native speed and AF accuracy. That doesn't make it a big deal to Nikon folks but for Canon people this camera is giving them a lot of features not present in Canon bodies.
GabrielZ: Many class-leading features and capabilities with this camera, the sensor is especially impressive! But there are too many important things in the 'cons' list that put me off a bit. The poor tested battery life, unergonomic body and controls and menu issues especially.
Battery life and an oversensitive viewfinder eye sensor are my main bug-bears with my current ILM camera, I wouldn't want to spend thousands more and and have a repeat of those issues...overall then despite leaps and bounds in capability with this generally excellent camera, I still don't think ILM's are quite there yet.
The eye sensor was driving me crazy out in the field but it had reverted back to normal once I got home and cleaned the eye sensor itself. Enough trail dust had settled on it to fool the sensor and make it very easy to swap off the LCD.
Bring qtips to keep the A7R2 eye sensor from getting dirty and you will keep your sanity and hair.
The miserable battery life is still a minus, you shouldn't ignore it. My A7R2 got switched on by accident in my bag and by the time I got to my destination (2 hours) it was nearly flat (19%). Luckily I had spares but I had a lucky return journey to the motel to grab the extra that was charging, otherwise I wouldn't have made it through the day (4 batteries per day).
I have just purchased ASP using this promotional bundle, quite inexpensive using the code presented here.
However, one thing that is advertised is full Retina display support (since 2.2), but I have found that sorely lacking. Either I am doing something wrong or the support is not full as advertised. The fonts in the UI are Retina quality, but none of the thumbnails or main window are shown in Retina resolution. Either this is a Mac OS (version?) issue but I will try it out on Windows machine to verify hiDPI support.
I have attached a cropped screenshot to my gallery for anyone to see what I am referring to. Hope that Corel addresses this, otherwise the program is pretty flawed for my usage.
Zvonimir Tosic: I haven't seen a mirrorless camera with a decent size battery. They are all tiny and pathetic; camera close the size of DSLR, but twice smaller battery size. I think that is why DSLR is still a workhorse of imaging industry — the mirror must go up and down, LCD must work, shutter, metering, etc, and manufacturers generally put in a decent size battery.
In a mirrorless design, with EVFs that draw so much energy, why manufacturers do not follow the same logic and install a big battery? Ah, yes — the (A) overall design had to be changed a bit, and a mirrorless would become bigger than DSLR. But to lie about "smaller size of mirrorless solutions", they (B) cripple battery department, redesign lenses to draw less energy, which means, must be made from light & inferior materials too, and (C) avoid tele-centricity.
Time for mirrorless game stop being one big lie, but become honest. No cutting corners, please, to preserve the imposed "compactness", which is nothing but fabricated lie.
Not so for the A7RII.
From the A7RII manual:[Power consumption (while shooting)]When using the viewfinder: Approx. 3.2 WWhen using the monitor: Approx. 2.7 W
miric: Who is Ming Thein?
User6310699194: Finally, DPREVIEW.COM had the courage of expressing the opinion of an expert criticizing the current mirrorless cameras. It was told what everyone already knew and bothered in the mirrorless. The mirrorless are still far from meeting the minimum requirements needed to photographers. Sony who is investing millions of dollars cannot make a photographic camera for photographers, but a weird electronic device filled with unnecessary features and with heavy, expensive and poor quality lenses. All media try to convince us that Sony has the mirrorless solution. We still have to wait for Canon and Nikon. Only these companies will bring a better mirrorless solution for photographers. Let’s wait for them!
Chuck Westfall, is that you?
lenseye: One thing Ming and many others don't understand or know, is that the solutions he talks about aren't in one product because that is not the way Japanese marketers work. The Japanese never sell you a product that has everything you want, never! That's their philosophy. It's true that they probably have all the features necessary to make one camera great but those features are put into three or four models to milk the consumers. Even when a certain technology is already available they won't put it all in, they introduce it incrementally to empty your wallets! Just look at the PC market, how many years did it take to get the processor speeds to over 2Ghz, they had the technology long ago ...
Saying Japanese marketers and infamous for segmentation and then rolling out an American company is a total fail. Pull out another Japanese example if you want to play the race/cultural card.
None of the mirrorless cameras are dominant in any segment so there is no comprehensive model. The only thing that comes close to having a chance to dominate mirrorless is the new Sony A7 series, and Sony has not left much on the table with each successive generation.
Sure there is still sausage to slice, but it is not easy to make a sky high ISO model and have huge resolution, so the A7R II and A7S II are not simply marketing exercises, but have technical reasons to exist as separate models.
The company that comes closest to the OP's suggestion of dividing up features and withholding is Canon, you can see that with the 1Dx and the 1Dc, the 5Ds and r and more importantly, the withholding of features from the EOS M series (slow AF mainly). But you can see how poorly the EOS M is doing in the market to check how well that is going for Canon.
mathlawguy: DPreview has alienated many readers, including me, by an enthusiastic and little-qualified endorsement of a very one-sided blog entry without any apparent recognition of the issues that have persisted for a long time with DSLR cameras. It insults them because many of dpreview's very knowledgeable readers have decided that the insoluble problems of 50 years of DSLRs are outweighed by the huge advantages of mirrorless, notwithstanding their residual flaws. Unfortunately, some good points in the blog entry have their credibility overwhelmed by a polemical tone suggesting that design choices in mirrorless are "wrong" because the author simply has different priorities than many consumers. Yes, the Sony A7 series, for example, does not have the battery life of DSLRs; as a user, I too wish it had better. But this is a tradeoff. As a non-professional, I prefer inserting little batteries more frequently to leaving my camera or a lens at home because it does not fit in a carryon.
You blame the Japanese marketers for this, and then drag out a PC market with processors to illustrate your point.
PC processing has long been dominated by American companies, not Japanese. Intel, AMD, IBM and Motorola have been the desktop PC CPU suppliers since the PC era has begun.
Not all manufacturers work the way you describe, and many features Ming wants are failures of execution of a product and not available in other models from the same manufacturer, and often exhibit the same flaw going up and down the lineup and are only grudgingly addressed in subsequent models.
PVCdroid: The odd thing about this is that current Sony users have been content with Sony's compressed raw. This article indicates otherwise. It really doesn't please anyone because only anti-sony types were bitching about it. ....for the most part..
Probably because of one or all of the following:a) lossy RAW only affects a small amount of images in a visible fashionb) users who are aware of the lossy compression have stayed away from Sony bodies or have sold/returned themc) Sony announced that they would address this (on some models) so owners have been patiently waitingd) owners are not aware of the lossy compression taking place and aren't aware of the effect on image quality
ProfHankD: I applaud Sony for this move and hope I will also have this option on my A7II, However, I'm the guy who wrote the free ARW2 repair tool http://aggregate.org/DIT/KARWY , which very credibly repairs the lossy compression ARW2 artifacts. Not only have I personally found the artifacts to be very rarely visually significant and well repaired by KARWY when they are significant, but fewer than 10 images/day have been fed through the web-interfaced KARWY to correct, and there have thus far been ZERO entries to the about-to-close DPReview Challenge I posted here for images suffering from highly visible ARW2 artifacts:
In sum, with their sensors getting better all the time, the lossy compression algorithm was starting to become a real limit on performance, so it is good that Sony is providing a way to get past that limit -- but the lossy compression was much more of a problem in theory than in practice.
Just tried your utility and it uploaded fine but it times out when I try to download the DNG file. Good luck with the effort, but I hopefully won't need to use it after Oct. 19.
left eye: I've got a really fuel-efficient car, on climbing steep hills it's rubbish, embarrassing, then there's this upgrade ...it'll guzzle the planet but climbs those hills fine, what do I do?...ruin the planet and my hard drive, or stay with the slightly rubbishy eco option?
There is an in-between option that other manufacturers have been employing for the past several years, lossless compression, sounds good, and actually old hat these days.
Mk III will catch up.
Let me get this straight. When the camera launched, in never had a lossless RAW option, so now that they have given everyone a lossless RAW option but it is not compressed, you see fit to whine about the lack of compression...
So, given the fact that this is a $3,300 body, perhaps you can afford to buy a few more large capacity SD cards if you're really that worried about the lack of compression.
Don't think anyone who owns an A7RII really cares that the lossless RAWs are not compressed, the fact that we get a lossless RAW at all is a great bonus.
I'm sure that the A7R3 will have lossless compressed RAW but until then sit on the sidelines if you want.