CaMeRa QuEsT: I was expecting Canon to have leveled-up to Nikon's AF performance by now, given how much improvement they have brought forward with their latest sensors' DR, but, alas, Nikon still seems to have the upper hand in AF capabilities and DR across its range, only now it also has caught up to Canon in skin colors while Canon is actually doing worse? Bravo for Nikon. Now if they could only up their QC and have something to counter Canon's Dual Pixel LV AF, they might stave their terrible sales slips of late...
This is the narrow end of the market, there is no magical cure all (except the Eye focus of the EOS 3 film body?).
To torture a car analogy, these cameras are the F1 cars of cameras, or Rally machines. They are getting further away from general purpose use and into specialized situations.
Just like you can't just jump in and drive those cars in a race (and not crash), you can't just expect to grab a 1Dx2 or D5 and expect to get the same results as a dedicated sports shooter in a sporting event.
Canon AF always has felt like it was designed for engineers whilst Nikon AF has felt like it was designed for photographers.
Both will get you to where you want to go, but one is more easy to grasp than the other (without extensively studying the manual).
Just look at Canon's flash system vs. Nikon's and you will see a big difference in philosophies. Canon's learning curve is huge for complicated features and I'm not sure it is always an improvement over competitor's schemes.
Good shots. Would like to see some oncoming shots in series to see if will grab focus and hold focus at 14fps. Side shots are a lot easier, especially with sky in the background.
So is the final score judged on what the camera is like compared to its peers today or what the market was like 2 years ago? Not that it matters that much since the final evaluation is so high, but just wondering because the 5Ds/r and A7RII were not out then, nor was there a Pentax K-1 imminent.
Peiasdf: I would be more excited using this on a phone that can accept SD cards but I guess no one really needs 256GB on a phone.
Recording high bit rate video/4k video on a phone?
kayaro: That's great to have 55,200 photos stored but if the card go wrong than you will LOSE 55,200 photos at ONE GO. Oh, is the 10 years warranty include recover all the photos?
Tonkotsu Ramen's answer is the only correct answer.
Schroedingers_cat: I'm still waiting for a full D4 review :)
I'm still waiting for the a full 1D Mark III review! ;-)
CameraLabTester: More intrigued by what model name will come after this series... as there is an existing 100D up the road...
The new features are so predictable.
The model naming continuity is much more interesting to contemplate on...
Canon naming is pretty strange, they like incrementing the double digit and triple digit models but the single digit models get ordinal succession of the same model series, and even that got semi broken with the 1D4 -> 1Dx... guessing they think consumers won't believe that a 80D Mark II is as good as a 90D when comparing to a 80D?
Chris62: So.... we can say D80 is disappointing.
The newest model from the leading producer in this price should be equipped with BSI CMOS sensor (it could solve DR issue), 4k movies and photo mode to be competitive to Panasonic 4k cameras or Sony A6300, and should be ff/bf issues free.
Maybe next model will be better and meet the expectations ???
Two years old Samsung NX1 body beats this Canon in every aspect (except of system age lens & accessories offer and mirror difference of course )
1-stop less push than the other sensors but Canon's APS-C is 1.6x crop vs. 1.5x crop for the other manufacturers. Given the ~8% differential in surface area and the sensor space taken up by dual pixel AF design I'd guess that the 80D's sensor tech is very close to the competitors' sensor tech now.
The 1-stop push differential shouldn't be that much of a problem except in the rarest of circumstances.
Le_Kilt: One thing not mentioned much is reach. Many have bought a 7D or 7D II as a second body for the extra reach since the 1D series went Full frame with less pixels per duck. With this new sensor and a few more MPx, I'll be trying it out as a replacement for my 7D. If the image quality is there, it should be good.Now, if Canon could put the sensor in a 7D III, keeping the 7D II tracking and adding the 80D touch swivel screen, that would be cool...
If you are shooting long, it is likely you are shooting wildlife or sports, and it is rare that you will be shooting at base ISO.
More likely you will be shooting at ISO 400-3200, in which case the sensor improvements are not as great when comparing the 7D2 to the 80D, or even the 7D2 to the D500.
There is nothing wrong with image quality of the Grand Prize winner of the Audubon winner. Shot with a 7D2 at ISO 800.
Newer sensors may be better but the 7D2 sensor is still pretty good.
Jaythomasni: now ..a 6D II with new sensor, bit smaller and light magnesium alloy body, an integrated strong flash....and that looks exactly the way it is now,,,,elegant and simple...... please ...within 5-6 months...
I would guess that a 5D Mark IV would come out before a 6D Mark II, and that Canon would not launch 2 similar bodies so close to one another. My guess is 1Dx2 blocks off any other launches until the fall, then 5D4, then 6D2 next year.
Gerrit J: I own a 700D and since I am not always satisfied with the autofocus results, I am inclined to buy another camera. Over the last years I have read wonderful stories about the dual pixel technology in the 70D. Now there is the 80D with autofocus capabilities even better than the 70D (that’s what I read).Since a few days the DPR 80D review is available. I learned from this review that (by using the compare mode) the ‘metering and focus accuracy’ of the 80D is worse than that of the 700D. So, if I upgrade from 700D to 80D I will be worse off regarding the aspect where I want to see improvement. Agree?Or is the autofocus of the 80D better, but the metering of the 80D is so dreadful, that the overall score is lower than the 700D….? I am confused.
Overall scores and ratings are not absolute but ranked against cameras that are considered part of its contemporary peer group.
You should see an improvement in autofocus and metering moving from a 700D to a 80D.
In what situations are you unsatisfied with the autofocus of your 700D? Depending on what you are shooting, the 80D may or may not improve your results.
Glenn Barber: Have the 70D and 7DII. Really looking forward to what the next generation of sensor can do on a 7DIII. My only complaint with the 7D2 is lifting noise on shadows and darker bird plumage. Looks like we are finally addressing that. 4K would be nice - and yes - I want to be able to turn on touch screen on the 7DIII.
From what I recall, the 40D was introduced and then the D300 came after that, and the 50D which came a few months after the Nikon's launch showed how much further behind Canon was at the time. It took another 10 months before the 7D was able to catch (and surpass) the D300. The D300s was not a big leap over the D300, and I'm not sure why Nikon left it for so many years before launching the D500.
Obviously Canon didn't feel the need to improve the 7D until recently. Maybe the D500 will force Canon to reduce the time gap between the 7D2 and the 7D3, or maybe we'll see a crop frame 2D/3D/4D introduced to slot above the 7D mark II.
A sub $3k APS-C Canon with almost all the 1Dx2 features would be an interesting camera if it was called the 2D. Probably a very narrow market segment though.
Both are features on the new D500, so hopefully it pushes Canon to get moving on improving the sensor even further than the 80D and putting a touch screen on the 7D Mark III.
Negative287: I'm confused by this review... I miss the consistency that Phil had in his reviews even though they weren't perfect.
Yes this camera can produce some nice images... However, any camera that had a list of cons that were nearly 2x what the pros were, would never have gotten a Gold rating under Phil's system.
The DPR of the Askey era is not the same as the DPR of today, for good and for bad.
markie_jan61: USB charging is a deal-breaker, regardless of a camera's capabililties.
Don't know why Sony continues to travel down that road.--
Having USB charging is actually a plus because you can use a big battery pack input as an option.
If you don't want to use USB charging I'd recommend a dual battery charger. I bought a Vivitar branded dual charger that charges over USB for my A7R2. It is a hassle to charge batteries singly when the A7R2 has such miserable battery life.
The A6300 uses the same battery as the A7R2, most Sony cameras use the same battery. Although capacity isn't the highest, I like a standardized battery.
N135F2DC: Battery Solution: I would like to call everyones attention to this video by David Oaster in Australia. And he has some really good videos that are of interest to all Sony users. Copy and past this into your address line.
Just a reminder that if you are going to lug around big battery packs on a trip that there are FAA rules governing the size and quantity of batteries now.
I believe that the A6300 is like the A7RII in that you can operate the camera by running through USB power (battery needs to have some charge though). This way you can leave the battery in the camera and use a USB wall wart or *any* 5V 1A battery that has a few thousand mAh to run your A6300.
See section 14 of this:http://helpguide.sony.net/ilc/1540/v1/en/print.pdf
straylightrun: At the price point I expected a little more.
bernardly: Is it possible that Sony is restricting the sensors they are willing to supply to Nikon in a bid to make their own cameras more competitive? There is a danger for Nikon in relying on an external source for key components such as image sensors. Sony really wants to steal Nikon's business eventually. They also want to do the same to Canon but they have less leverage there.
Highly doubtful. Sony is interested in selling sensors to whoever can afford to buy them, because it is a huge advantage to getting their billion dollar plus fab facilities paid down.
This fast pace has given Sony a huge boost compared to Canon, who does not OEM their sensors to anyone else, not that any other vendor would want a Canon sensor at this moment.
Let me put it this way, if all the other OEMs (Sony's customers) found out that Sony was giving them lower quality sensors in favour of putting better sensors in Sony's own cameras, how long do you think it would take those OEMs to find another vendor?