Lens choice still a compelling reason for a flappy mirror camera, nice to see Nikon offering some more options for its DX line at the higher end, always want cheaper but Nikon so about what you would expect
DVT80111: is it just me? I did not see a huge different in IQ from RX100.
I have a MK 2, I have never thought if only it had slow mo facility, If only start up was quicker! all the time,if only it had better grip, control layout, frequently, also for me the better lens and VF on the MK3 aren't that compelling
What this new sensor really needs is a different camera to make it a mini stills and video powerhouse with capabilities that are more easily exploitable
The reason it does not have a viewfinder is that Canon are not fully serious about this bit of the market yet, they know what features it needs.
Scales USA: Good analysis. US buyers are not flocking to buy those tiny mirrorless cameras because they equate large DSLR's with higher quality images. This may change over time, but there is no trend right now.
Another factor is the size of hands. In the USA, many people have large hands, and do not feel comfortable with tiny cameras. There are, of course people who want small cameras, so there is something for everyone.
I'm one of those with large hands and fingers. My finger presses too many buttons at a time with a tiny camera, I do not like them.
I'd be willing to consider a large body mirrorless if it was a better camera, the new Sony is interesting in that it seems to have a lot of the good things I'd like in a camera, and only a few weak spots. I won't be changing my 5D MK III easily though. I am in the market for a 2nd body, having finally sold my old 5D classic the other day.
Easy you don't have to put a mirror in it. just make it look like an SLR and the USA consumer will be convinced, hence the faux pentaprisms and mirror box on Sony, Fuji and Samsungs cameras. Samsung even have a tiny sensor super zoom modelled after a D3 or Eos1
HarrieD7000: We can analyse the anatomy of future cameras to death. We can write what we want, but that won't change what camera manufactures can sell. If in the near future something really revolutionary will happen, don't expect this to come from a established camera manufacturer. They try all kinds of stuff, in small steps, to see where the market is going to. Not as long as they are still selling enough, to survive and can make enough money to develop new cameras and lenses, they go on the way they do for years to come.The phone market was not changed by Nokia, Motorola or Sony Ericsson but by a firm who had never made a phone before. I still remember every one saying in 2007 an some years to follow " it is no phone and it will be gone soon". How wrong were they?And what camera we like or buy has less to do what others tell, and more with what we expect from it. For a short while I have thought of buying a mirrorless, but only for a very short time. Perhaps the next time I buy a camera?
Sony and Samsung are consumer electronics companies, Its already true, The two most significant cameras of the moment are Sony and Samsung
xsamie: For me, this camera is just mocking Canon and Nikon. It's telling them D810, D5s.. Is that all you got?
5 axis and 4k internal? It is adding insult to injury. And Sony is not even trying... Just wait to see the A7s2, their bestseller.
It reminds me of that time I raced against my daughter. She came in second but she was not even trying. I won, but only on the outside, I was broken. Of course I said that I was not trying either. lol
There comes a time when the student surpases the master. That moment has come. RIP Canon, RIP Nikon. Trouble times are ahead.
And then you look at the lens line up.
pdqgp: $4,250 ? Seriously....I'm a HUGE photography nut but that price is just plain stupid.
You get a Sumilux lens and a free camera, not bad value actually in Leica land
Any issues with variability for focal length when using close focus?
Don Sata: Sony's lens selection is still expensive and limited. That's the real barrier they have to jump if they want to become number two as they state.
the new 28 F2 is the right pitch for me to be interested, the Zeiss optics ,35 2.8, 55 1.8, although great lenses don't get the Spec ,performance and price cocktail quite right for me anyway
Given this is orientated around shutter speed and aperture controls, rather than shooting modes, seems an ideal photo school type camera for genuine beginners learning the craft of photography, rather that upgraders from mobile phone and P&S
BarnET: Have to admit.For a 50mp sensor the ISO performance is pretty impressive!
Tony Northrup take on pixel destiny vs noisehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KYvp8PrCFc
In line with the theory doesn't seem to corrolate
Elaka Farmor: Some people here seem to think that they can produce the same level of clean image (low noise) with a GH4 as with an A7R when shooting at iso100 with the FF camera. Not possible.
"Err.. Is that an argument at all? "yes is so far that you said "Some people here seem to think that they can produce the same level of clean image (low noise) with a GH4 as with an A7R when shooting at iso100 with the FF camera. Not possible" my point is that equivalence says it is possible, if you have the latitude to crank up the exposure on your MFT rig and you don't on your FF set-up, I do concede that practically its not going to happen much due to the (non) availability of fractional F number lenses and low ISO MFT high res sensors, and compliant subjects.
If you have the latitude to adjust the exposure (ie. a faster lens) or can use a slower shutter speed say with image stabilisation, then the principals of equivalence make your statement untrue Elaka, of course the you can do the same tricks on FF as well which rather defeats my argument, but a slow Kit or an inexpensive telle Zoom on an A7R can be compensated performance wise by using a fast fixed focus prime on an Oly allied with Oly's effective image stabilisation to use a slower sutter speed as well, may be why so many OM owners are so happy with their gear
I have read all the comments, and it's over priced wrongly spec' d on firmware. however, I still think the concept, ergonomics and general layout is bang on, I still want one,I've had it with SLR and rangefinder look-a likes because the conservative American market won't buy anything else. throw the rule book away and build cameras that make sense with modern technology rather than the constraints of roll film from half a century ago, Bravo Canon! ( specs aside)
nerd2: So this camera is a small-sensor bridge camera with rotational grip that can shoot video as well - I had on more than 10 years ago (which was called sony f707)
and then the industry settled back into making SLR clones because thats what consumer demanded a serious camera to look like, what the difference is now (possibly)1 The Market is moving on2 4K and the technology to support it3 Its has Canon written on it
No disrespect to Sony, or Pana and its not as true now, its just Canon will be taken more seriously than Sony with something like this.
jeffc1: Draconian?If someone is within 15ft they are likely getting in the way of the police officer trying to do their job. DPReview should stick with reporting the facts and stay out of making editorial comments/conclusions.
Unless you are the one interacting with the police, ether bing questioned or arrested are you saying you should not be able to record that? not all laws are good laws and not all police are good police and even the ones that are, not all of the time, don't be naive about that DStudio just becusee you are an upstanding citizen doesn't mean you are immune from some injustice metered out by law enforcement .
Photoman: I think I will stick to my Minolta 28/2.8. A lot of distortion in this lens.
to keep the price and size of the lens down this is exactly the compromise to make, you can't dial in any more detail in software but you can correct distortion ( having said that it does lok quite heavy even distant horizon looks like it needs some correction to look flat)
Almost perfect for what it is, the one thing I would like to see is a version with a really strong 1.4 lens with Sony's latest sensor, It lust laks that bit of background separation and rendering to get that pop you can get with a Leicia rig or Sony RX1
Great news 28 looks nice as does the 90, the 35m 1.4 is too big for me, Would prefer if they bought over the compact and fast f2 from the RX1, which I think is the best compromise between being compact and fast. the Sony 7s just became a much better buying prospect
Kangaroo Court: Why does this video reek of Infomercial? Im sure none of it is a lie, this camera is perfectly capable of this shoot, but what I see is a photographer with skill being in very nice places with nice things to shoot. This could have been done with any Fuji or MFT or Samsung (or DSLR for that matter). Im just not seeing why using the A6k in particular was the "key" to these results.
Any help here? Did he just draw a name out of a hat and happened to choose Sony? Also, did I hear him say apsc is a good choice bc it gives a little more DOF??
Why do infomercials try to look like an impartial review?you need to turn this on its head.