Alec_c: In a nutshell, a camera that might have been great but put down on purpose, that has the ability to take some great pictures if you can overcame handling difficulties, which should not been there.Overall, that Canon smart samurai so full of himself (see pic of his interview) , should really be proud looking how a universe of Canon users continue to support his nice life of leaking on our heads. There will be people to buy that, as there were ones buying the 60D, which is a similar concept. Not me.
How about we just concede the 'one' accurate assessment you provided - it is subjective.I am on my 3rd 40D, and while it is a great camera and body it is 'less' ergonomic in feel than the 6D. If you had limited your criticism to the joystick I would have agreed 100%. Not that the pad does not work, but I like being able to have it just 1/2" from where my thumb rests.As for everything else, grip size, texture, distance from the lens mount, shutter button angle, thumb rest depth, etc the 6D is almost 'superior' to the 40D but easily 'better'.The one gripe I have not fully gotten past (and delays my upgrade to date) is not being able to use the AE-Lock and AF-Point buttons for zoom in/out like practically every other Canon in history.. it does have the ability to set a default zoom percentage for the One-Button-Zoom function though - so you can jump straight to your desired chimp-level.. heh
SemperAugustus: Few comments about the review:1.- The multi-exposure feature works on RAW as well. 2.- The WiFi connected to the PC via Remote Control (EOS Utility) gives complete control of every aspect of the camera. Live view, download and even time lapse capture. it just makes sense for Canon to eventually upgrade their iOS and Android EOS app to match the functionality of the Remote Control Utility.3.- The fact that the 6D compares to the 5DMIII speaks volume about the capabilities of this camera. So yes, it does not have 41 focus points, so what?4.- It does not have a swivel screen, it has a separate screen altogether. It gives you control with any iOS or Android device, that is a way bigger, better and more flexible option than a swivel screen. this is like when Apple ditched the floppy disk.... some people complained about it.5.- They completely left out a review of the included software which is top-notch. Including the above mentioned remote control utility.
DPR being very disappointed by the exclusion of a touch screen, providing no significance other than it is available on a recent consumer body - which lacks ~any external controls to begin with...Why would Canon put a touch screen on a body that already provides 95% of all shooting controls via dedicated buttons on the outside of the camera - how much easier do you want access to be than a button you can access without looking??
The target consumers for this body are those focused on getting everything they can from digital technology as it pertains to image quality - something Canon has not failed in with the 6D.
(btw Tonio, it is 97% and I can assure you it has little field relevance. I have shot film since 1976 where even fewer cameras had 100% vf coverage than they do today, to the extent that it was not even a specification mentioned in product brochures.)In the rarity you get something in those outer 10-pixels of the frame you feel just ruin the image - you just crop it out.
SiliconVoid: In recent years I have defended DPReview dozens of times across the internet regarding their integrity and analysis, specifically regarding their ability to assess a product on its own merits and across its designed capability range - instead of penalizing a product for what it lacks in a comparison. THEN I read this review.
If you add the D600 to the scoring module on page-25 you can see what is supposedly areas that would allow it to score differently (higher in this case) and it is interesting that the areas showing better performance are simply not substantiated in the pages of the 6D review. Not to mention areas of heated debate and comparison (the 6D's inferior 11-point AF system and Canon's tired old 63 metering zones) where even though DPR hops on the bandwagon to proclaim Canon's failings of the 6D their own testing shows that the 'lowly' 11-point AF and 'zone' metering system out perform the D600.
What the hell is that, does DPR write the reviews before or after testing???
That really only leaves the video performance category. Which we really do not need to go into to be honest, video was not meant to be zoomed into - and 1080p is 1080p is 1080p.It is understood that Nikon fans are foaming at the mouth with their newly acquired ability to do full frame 1080p video, but unless you are going to consider certain aspects as beneficial when seen in both brands DPR is simply catering to Nikon fans in their praise. The D800 for example has little if any significant advantage in video since uncompressed video out is now available for the 5DmkIII. However there is one aspect of the D800 video which is considered a fair trade off (referring to slight/occasional moire in the D800) because of some areas of higher detail being sometimes visible. HOWEVER, when that is done by another brand/model (6D in this case) it is the primary factor of why DPR rates the 6D with a lower video score??
The higher score for the D600 in Low Light and high ISO performance is quite small, but if we again go back to page 19 of the review and look how it is not even possible to discern the diameter of the small gold beads, determine whether the thread of the belt is thread or simply white paint, and absence of almost all texture of the woven belt material in the D600 images, it does not in any way validate the D600 as being better in any way. Matter of fact, both the Sony and 6D provide better image performance than the D600 by the same margin - yet both score a little bit lower? What criteria is DPR measuring, are they measuring at all??Perhaps there is a different set of criteria that DPR uses for different brands that they do not feel the need to share with viewers...
The only area that the D600 can even be suggested as 'better', and an extremely subjective aspect of image quality, is page 20 where it references the amount of shadow detail captured. Something only identifiable in a grossly overexposed test image. How is that even a test criteria, you would never attempt to use that image so what difference does it make what unusable information can be seen in an unusable image. If DPR hopes to achieve any credibility in this area of testing how about just bring up the shadows in a 'final' 'useable' image so it can be shown how negligible the real world differences are. Even if the difference gained a point for the D600, that point would be easily trumped by every other area of image performance by the 6D.
Sorry, DPR has shown no data to support the D600 having better image performance to warrant a higher scoring analysis IF measured by the same standards - in fact they have shown just the opposite, yet do not reflect that in scoring.
In the area of image performance, where the D600 supposedly has both better jpg and raw according to the comparison graph, we clearly see on pages 15 and 19 that the 6D betters its competitors image quality, and stands on its own in that area only bettered by its higher-end sibling. Scoring according to DPR is not supposed to be based on 'how it compares' but on the equipments own merits - yet the images provided on these pages and the resulting scores obviously indicate an unknown factor. (Different set of criteria for different brands? Conceding to DxO's 8mp down-sample score?).
In recent years I have defended DPReview dozens of times across the internet regarding their integrity and analysis, specifically regarding their ability to assess a product on its own merits and across its designed capability range - instead of penalizing a product for what it lacks in a comparison. THEN I read this review.
ThomasSwitzerland: Everybody will protest.
I wanted to buy this Canon FF. But the auto focus points, and the aging sensor, the old fashioned case from the 80s. No way. Thank you <dpreview> for this smart Award. I now bought the Nikon D5200 (no regret, perfect pictures) and attach my Leica lenses with special mounts. Time to market passed with that Canon FF. I could afford the 800E, but drop the FF all together at present tech status. Better sensor times and bodies ahead.
This generation of tech and camera bodies as per the reviews left their peaks for now. End of this year will be a great new wave (and investment horizon).
Sorry OP, I do not mean to offend, but your perspective on brand new 'end of life' FF sensors is about the most ignorant thing I have heard anyone say in a while.
APS-c/x/whatever may be the future for point and shoots and pocket cameras, but all you need to do is look at the consistency of new lenses, preference of professionals and enthusiasts alike, and the money spent by the manufacturers on FF technology to see that it is 'their' future - whether it is yours or not.
Perhaps you simply have not been around long enough to see photography before digital... The manufacturers may have marketed cropped sensors as a benefit, but they did not develop them for any other reason than technology and costs would have placed FF equipment out of reach to 95% of the photographic world.
As FF technology gets cheaper to develop and package, you are going to see APS-C relinquished to mirrorless pocket cameras unable to support the manufacturers really money makers - their lenses.
Lift Off: Bah... I knew all that "impressive high ISO performance" people talked about was just NR applied to the jpegs.
@Lift Off You need to review the test images again, you clearly do not know how to judge ISO performance.The ISO performance of the 6D is significantly better than its predecessors, quite comparable to the 5DmkIII, and better than the D600 - especially in jpg output, but easily in raw as well.
reach0775: dpreview will remain my No.1 source for camera reviews, but I'll really stop taking their conclusions seriously.The 6D has similar or better IQ than the mighty Mk.III, some VERY serious USPs (GPS, weight...) and it costs a 1.000EUR less!Hey, that's an awful lot of money! It's a shame they even compare those 2 within the same sentence.But taking it down because Mr. dpreviewer would have had different ideas where to save money is really outrageous arbitrariness.
@chlamchowder Actually you don't have to consider any models competition, at least not as far as DPR has proclaimed numerous times..Anyone remember the D7000's initial review, and the additional flack they received when rating the Pentax K5 higher. DPR came out both in forums and through the review site that the cameras (all cameras) are certainly reviewed in regard to other brands as far as consumer appeal - but - that was not factored in the items scoring...
Guess that has changed.
Joe Ogiba: I have many Apple products but my current phone is the Verizon HTC Droid DNA with 5" 1080p display (441ppi) , wireless charging and beats audio that sounds better than any mobile music player I have tried with my Etymotic Research ER-4P earbuds. Back in June 2010 when the iPhone 4 came out I thought it was ahead of Android phones but today I think they lost the advantage they had back then. The iPhone 5 is the best 4" phone but I think the 5" 1080p display will be the standard soon in premium smartphones like the coming Samsung Galaxy S4.
A significant portion of the iPhone popularity is the smaller size.No one is arguing that a larger screen isn't great, but when it results in a device that is almost larger than your hand it begins to impact the devices portability.If Apple increases the size of the iPhone it will negatively impact sales of existing users more than it benefits from the number of 'new' customers - Apple knows this.They do need to 'open' the device more however and simply bite-the-bullet in licensing to include other technologies and software like Adobe Flash and 3rd party apps integration with the OS.
tarnumf: So much about lenses sharpness, high ISO and bokeh - no, they don't really matter.
Well they do matter, but not in the context that many today believe. It is not important that those dynamics originate from the equipment, but that they can be influenced by the eye of the photographer.You need not be concerned with capturing any more detail than could be seen with your eye.Noise free ISO performance is to allow you to maintain shutter speed, not to take pictures in the dark.If you do not want something distracting in the background of a shot, don't position the subject in front of something distracting....and if people would output their images at a resolution they are meant to be viewed, by printing them or downsampling them for digital presentation, then there will never be a situation where someone else can zoom in beyond what was presented to them.. ;=)
Nothing wrong with the sharpness that shooting in raw would not have improved..Your just looking at a standard jpg from the camera (not tweaked/tuned to taste).
scrup: Is this the only current SLR to have one cross type AF point?
Hopefully the lack of AF info is to help 5d sales along and then when it is released there are at least more than one cross type sensors. If the T4 has it, i don't see why the 6D shouldn't.
Not even close.. Many dslr's do not have cross-type AF points, and not just Canon.
I suggest learning whether it even has any effect on your use before joining the flock of complainers. If the new AF system shows not to perform well it will be a flaw or miscalculation in design - not some inherent inferiority due to the number of points.
Chill out!! Pretty soon the price of Canon 6d will drop to $1700-$1800 and will become a good bargain. Canon 6d will be to Nikon 600d what Canon 60d is to Nikon d7000: both will sell well just except that 6d would have a lower price point. Canon 5dIII is already dropping in price and at $2700-$2800 it's also selling like hot cakes so no worries everything will settle down :).
But I love Canon marketing as I really feel that Canon is out to milk the customers and the customers are very interested in getting milked :). I am waiting for the day when Canon users would justify a $1500 dollar price differential between the current and the older model by saying the LCD upgrade alone is worth it :).
Kudos..A few people realize the primary difference between Canon and Nikon as far as pricing. Canon typically drops its msrp over the lifetime of the product - Nikon doesn't drop the msrp until a replacement has been announced. Early adopters pay a premium for just about anything in the world, but that is by choice.
Yes, for those who wish to wait you will be able to pick up a 6D for several hundreds less than it initially hits the market. (If that is the primary hindrance when it becomes available.)
Jahled: Nice camera Canon, let down only by it's AF system, a factor that I hated about the 5D2, and it's SD card slot. Other than that, it looks lovely. I might have considered getting one as a back up to my 1DX's, but these factors have killed it dead in the water, for me personally.
(Dan)LOL.. No, you don't need AF.I still own several cameras without AF, and easily manually focus my digital cameras as often as use autofocus. You do realize that cameras have been around longer without autofocus than with, right? You do know that many of the top-of-the-line 3rd party lenses (Zeiss, Schneider, Voigtlander) are all manual focus - how in the world are people using those things!
It was a comment in reality, however I did quantify the 'need' in regard to being an autofocus camera - therefore the expectation that it would autofocus.
There is nothing to defend actually. For years Canon has shown better autofocus speed and accuracy with many of its bodies versus say Nikon, and with fewer AF points. Actually it is a lost cause for other brands to continually dismiss accuracy and speed by acclaiming more points are better - but slower and less accurate..?
..and in not being a Canon user, why are you commenting on a new Canon AF system that hasn't even been seen yet?
marike6: I can't imagine why Canon would release a FF DSLR and cut corners on the viewfinder. Doesn't the 7D have a 100% viewfinder? I know the D600 has one, as does the D7000. Heck even the Pentax K-30 has a 100% Pentaprism viewfinder.
No... I asserted it does not make any difference whether it is 97% or 100%, and technically I stated that it did not make any difference to Canon who knows it does not effect the ability of the camera to do what it was designed to do...
To be honest, the greater impact would be a viewfinder that showed you more than what is being captured - opening up endless possibilities of missing something you thought was going to be in the image.. Having ~1/4" more of the scene around the border than you saw in the viewfinder hardly counts as a limitation or impacts your ability to capture the image.. Personally I would take the latter.It is just a marketing feature/comparison..
EOS M..and you can use your same lenses.. ;=)Cannot imagine how much smaller you want than that, and the ability to change lenses.
meshal: another disappointment cam from canon..
Based on what criteria exactly??
Renato Mozzarella: Very disappointed. Canon’s 5d3 greatest advantage (and maybe the only real one) over Nikons d800 was its new autofocus system. My expectation to have a more affordable Canon whit a 5d3 equivalent autofocus system where in vain. I’m seriously thinking about dong a upgrade on the Nikon side. I really don’t think that the 6d’s DR and AF will be any better than the d600.
@JohnMatrixThere are four Rebels still in Canon's lineup, three of which are under the T4i, so no the entry level Rebel/s do not have all cross-type AF points. The T4i would be the top model in the Rebel tier, and for that you get a few extra features like the 9-point AF system from ~5-years ago (40D fyi).
Canon has proven over the years that you don't need more AF points, nor all of them cross-type, for the AF system to be effective. Some people may rely on the AF system to the extent that they cannot even hope to get a properly focused shot unless the camera can literally do it by itself - for the rest of us you simply use the instrument to its greatest strengths and your creativity.