mpgxsvcd: I am guessing that Canon probably won’t be touting their mirrorless interchangeable lens offerings like Sony is. They have all but abandoned mirrorless interchangeable lens. That is a shame. A mirrorless 7D MK III and a mirrorless 5DS would be very well received I predict.
@albert silver. May be, but the body flange back distance will be bigger than freshly designed mirroless camera. Same as what Pentax tried to do and failed. Nikon may be a different story, but if smalker form factor, smaller lenses where the key market drivers for such mirrorless , cannot imagine Nikon succeding much if this is true. Lastly I dont believe it. They tried with 1" mirrorless and failed.
BeaverTerror: Mirrorless is the official term now? So instead of choosing a term which describes the camera, they have moronically chosen a term describing what the camera does not have. One day DSLRS will be a nostalgic memory and we will still be stuck with "mirrorless". Same situation as clipless bicycle pedals.
Mirrorless is an acceptable term, less complicated than EVILC, MILC, SLM ETC. apparantly there are about 700 words in English that have 'less' as suffix. So it is a well accepted part of the language and its usage. I am speechless now!
Under The Sun: 1000 plus comments. For an "inferior" camera, it sure has quite a passionate following.
No, it is the voice of disappointed Canon uers, fans, pros etc. 5 years later and this....as someone pointed out, all things equal, the most important thing in a digital camera, the sensor in this one sucks...that's the biggest beef and then some.
deltaskyking: 10 frames per second - check65 point wide viewfinder filling autofocus - checkClass leading fast autofocus - checkPro level weather sealing - checkExcellent low light autofocus and image capture - checkAnother B.S. "Silver Award" for Canon cameras from dpreview - check
Price - sucksTouch Screen - None so sucksFully enabled video - sucksPro 1D level weather sealing for the price - sucksSilver is DPR being gratuitous to Canon IMHO
That is why...
R Johns: I am "nobody from nowhere", and these are just my opinions, but it seems Canon has found itself between a rock and hard place with the 7D series cameras...
On one hand, they are wayyyyy too over-priced for an APS-C camera (with key features missing) to be taken seriously for most enthusiast photographers. On the other hand, they aren't as ruggedized or as capable in low light as any corresponding "used" 1D series camera that can be found in the same price range.
Very much agree, they got into a no man's land here...
SulfurousBeast: Did I say this already...? Canon which had missed the boat 3 years ago had one good (and last may be...) to catch up, but stumbled woefully short on this one. I was patient for 5 years not making a jump however irrresitable it was becoming. Now it is all clear... Time to jump. Just an enthusiast but still with about $6k worth Canon gear....Craigslist is calling....to be honest, would have stayed if it had the D7100 sensor, video not crippled, rather one that takes advantage of the dual pixel AF and a touch screen. So close, but still Canon chose to play the dirty game with its APSC customers.
Thanks for the replies. I agree. Jumping is not an easy one financially. Emotionally I am not 'wedded' to Canon. Agree with across_mountain and Thys comments on costing more. But for example look at Costco's deal for 2 lens Nikon D7100 package with bag, wifi adapter, 32G Ultracard all for $1250. I may not care for the lens and other freebies, but whichever way you look at it it is a compelling offer. I could sell the kit lenses and get couple of good primes. The 55-300 mm VR lens offered is not very bad for casual use. Or I could jump to D750 which looks most compelling and Full Frame for the same price of 70D MkII. Mirrorless Has many options, but size is not an issue for me.
Did I say this already...? Canon which had missed the boat 3 years ago had one good (and last may be...) to catch up, but stumbled woefully short on this one. I was patient for 5 years not making a jump however irrresitable it was becoming. Now it is all clear... Time to jump. Just an enthusiast but still with about $6k worth Canon gear....Craigslist is calling....to be honest, would have stayed if it had the D7100 sensor, video not crippled, rather one that takes advantage of the dual pixel AF and a touch screen. So close, but still Canon chose to play the dirty game with its APSC customers.
The Squire: Wow. My LX100 pocket camera seems to do better 1080p than the 7Dmk2, never-mind 4K.
Karlwunsch, I have not used or even seen in flesh a acanon Cinema EOS, I am not a pro. But hope you are not implying that users move up to the Cinema line if they need good video? Starting at 6K something...really?
After reading the review, a lot of comments, it is pretty clear. Canon stumbled on this one and badly at it. The pricing will not help either to get up and run fast enough. This is the 50D when it succceeded 40D. We can pass it. Unfortunately if the next iteration took 5 years coming, Canon would have lost the game long back....
SonynA series, 750D, 7100, GH4 all look simply better options at this time...
Miki Nemeth, I appreciate the sarcasm in your comments! Thats how every ardent Canon user feels now. A lot of money for lot less quality....no 4K, no top noth 1080P, no touch screen, Swivel, DR, Noise performance etc. DPR review is spot on.
munro harrap: Well, its results, posted here, do not inspire, but that is a personal thing with me. A long time ago I got rid of a 40D I had bought new, not because it did not work, it worked fine, or due to its resolution, which was fine, but due to the sad fact that compared to my 1Ds, the results were flat, processed and boring. They did not look real. They did not convince, and looking at the samples posted here, nothing has improved at all.
As a photographer I do not need to waste frames in the futile hope that the machine takes better pictures than I do, I do not need the dreadful video quality you get from DSLRs these days either.
So since this thing costs as much as a D750, and double a D7100 (whose results are much better, much), what exactly are Canon doing? This is LOT of money for not a lot of QUALITY.
You can buy a mint secondhand 1D MkIV for the same money, or TWO 70D bodies, or a 6D brand new with 24105f4 thingy. Or a D610 with a 2485thingy.I bet no reviewer here has bought one!!
Munro, the new autofocus system is worth the asking price, so it seems for the Canon boffins... For once I have a buyers remorse without actually buying one!
abi170845: Look at that pathetic slow lens attached to the 7Dmk2. Where are the pro efs lenses?
As much I love this camera when I tested it out yesterday at my local dealer. Come on Canon, where is the Tough, Weather Sealed non pumping EFS 2.8 zoom like those from Fuji! I would not want to use my EF L lenses on the APSC camera.
Please canon stop producing same old Rebels and double digit APSC and re do all the EFS lenses. 60mm Macro? ancieeent!
Canon will never produce pro EFS lenses. With all EF lenses compatible with APSc Canon's tere is no reason for Canon to invest in R&D for EFS lenses. No pros will buy them assuming majority are into FF, amateurs and semi pros will find it too expensive. You know what my recent thoughts are, just abandon Canon and jump to Nikon, Sony or Panasonic. They seem to be much ahead in the game right now.
Miki Nemeth: When I saw that DPReview gave such a high score to a camera that I evaluated to be mediocre, I was surprised but I thought I am not an expert at all. Then I've just read Behiri's review www.cinema5d.com/panasonic-lx-100/ and I think I was a bit right. I think the LX100 cannot come even close to Sony's RX100R3.
Mediocore? Really! Have you even touched this, leave alone use it? Rogerv1's comment above is spot on. No camera is perfect, but this one comes close, may or may not beat RXIII, does not matter, but certainly not medicore this one... Pls do not get swayed by that iodiot Behri's stupid review.
Anyone watch the video? The Panasonic guy Matt Fraser? Calls the sensor as "micro four thirds" . huh! Thought he should know better. Does not matter in getting the point across, but still an employee and spokesperson should know better and that too from the company that pioneered four thirds standards.
If you use the comparator tool, Seems like Pany's own FZ1000 outscores, albeit marginally, the LX100 in 6 of the critical parameters, IQ, JPEG and RAW, Optics, Performance and Video. Being close to the same 'class' of camera, would ypu say FZ1000 is slightly better than LX100? Only on the above parameters.
Drofnad: I find it puzzling to read "Excellent stills image quality - especially in Raw" and yet see of the bar-graphed qualities that IQ is the farthest from Excellent of all save for Value (Raw better than JPEG, slightly) !?
Very much eh! I too noticed and some kind of opposite of what you would expect to see a bar indicating or qualifying the conclusion statement...BTW if you use the comparator tool. Seems like Pany's own FZ1000 outscroes LX100 in 6 of the critical parameters, IQ, JPEG and RAW, Optics, Performance and Video....go figure!
Auricom: SO, ... The Cannon folks will dare to compare this to Sony RX100 line KNOWING Cannon decided to go with Sony's own Chip?! This is going to get interesting hearing all the fanboi's claim how their Cannon's if FAR SUPERIOR to Sony's lmao
Cannon? Three times...
286 comments on Hassie's facility closing?! Also shows underlying desire of this community that Hassie could have done better with their time in last 3 years than these hideous, outrageously priced rebadges.
Mike FL: This Re-badged DSC-RX100 look like a bad DIY product.
Oops! Those exposed screws, sure they drilled holes on the body to fit the hideous handgrip...
jaygeephoto: I guess that's what a head on collision between a camera and a tree looks like.