straylightrun: It's a real shame Sony didn't include IBIS. Sony's real focus is on their FF system, not APS-C anymore.
That is why it would be nice to put all this new tech with highest AF points for tracking and image stabilization in a new version A77 III apsc body with good A mount lenses. Ideal form factor for all day shooting for serious shooters. (without the premium A7R body cost and high cost lenses of Sony FF). Will it come to be? Stores in my area prefer to promote A7 series and have very little A77ii stock at any time. Margins are likely better in A7 and Sony FF E glass.
dr and snr: Great sensor, awesome cutting-edge tech - shame it's in such a rubbish unintuitive user-unfriendly body!
They should put this sensor and AF into a new A77 III body. Or maybe they are already working on that - TBA.
Adrian Van: Can Sony please put this system into the next version of the Sony A77ii apsc SLT. I like a bit larger body for doing serious work, not the small A6300 mirrorless which looks more for semi-pro / consumer user. Price the new A77 mark 3, a bit more if you like.
I can only guess maybe not, as they would probably want to protect the A7 series by not promoting the A77ii as much as the A7 line is being promoted. The camera stores in my area seem to do that - promote Sony FF A7. (Much like Nikon promoting mostly FF to serious photographers, except for the D500.) Just wish they would add some of the new features to next version of A77ii . XAVC is already in A77ii. It would be ideal, to make A77 mark 3 even better than mark 2, plus even better iso!
North American serious photographers still like the SLR or SLT form factor. So why not upgrade with new latest tech in SLT A mount apsc line with this sensor and AF system. Done right could rival a D500 with the right body.
I would love an A77 III (form factor) within the year for my A mount lenses. With AF system like A6300 maybe it does not need the mirror anymore which would be better for higher iso than previously with SLT as the mirror was holding back some light. Just wondering if Sony will make one like that for A mount, instead of just E mount.
Can Sony please put this system into the next version of the Sony A77ii apsc SLT. I like a bit larger body for doing serious work, not the small A6300 mirrorless which looks more for semi-pro / consumer user. Price the new A77 mark 3, a bit more if you like.
Beautiful detail! How was the 1000 mm reached on A77ii. Which lens and brand and did you use 2x teleconverter and which brand. I am looking at getting the same body, and also looking at some lenses. Any recommendations are appreciated.
Here are some of my own best picks for camera bodies under $1000....m43 - for photos pick any Olympus model, for video select Panasonic G series Compact apsc - Sony A6000Nikon apsc - without a lot of controls or dials - D5500 or with more control D7100.Other body choices for apsc - Canon 70D, Sony A77ii both very good for photo and videoBudget apsc - Canon Rebels, entry Nikons.Fuji apsc - XE series, XT10 very good for photo - the video not so sure as my XM1 had bad video quality - is it better now?Choice of lens can make a big difference also.Anyone agree or disagree?
mosc: DPR, you should probably call it "16-80mm F2.8-4E ED VR lens." rather than "16-80mm F2.8E ED VR lens."
Speaking of the lens, curious if anybody would care to comment on if there's really much gain compared to the sigma 17-70 f2.8-4 other than the slightly larger range.
I actually have my Sigma 17-70mm 2.8-4 for a Sony A77ii A mount for use for video without flash, so not too much an issue. There is a Sigma 17-70mm lens for Nikon mount is why I mentioned, not sure if flash info to camera would be problem for Nikon mount version. Going with lens brand name same as cam body eliminates any conflicts, however Nikons lens is more expensive.
I was wondering the same thing, as I bought the Sigma F2.8-4 17-70mm which has HSM hypersonic motor, and good for video. Nikon's version has Nano coating and likely very sharp, and goes wider and longer 16- 80mm. 16mm is same as 24mm equivalent in FF equal to 24-120mm VR. The Nikon lens is already available for sale separately from B&H Photo.
Robert Eckerlin: A question and kind request to the reviewers/experts of dpreview:
Could you please test and report whether the D500 camera has the same annoying tendency to overexpose as the Nikon D5500 and D7200 DX DSLRs have? (this tendency to overexpose has been reported as well on the dpreview Website as in other Websites focusing on cameras).
I hope very much, that this is not the case (or that Nikon will soon fix that problem).
Thank you very much in advance
Instead of Matrix metering I use Center area metering, but I usually do mostly portraits and this prevents overexposure of most of my images. Works on my older D300s and D700 very well, as Matrix metering is best for wide area landscape, or anything other than portraits I would think. I spot AF the faces too and recompose if off center. Very little overexposure. However maybe the newer cameras are more sensitive. Raw are adjustable but make sure ADL is turned on when using Jpeg mode, which I usually use in Auto ADL, as this prevents blowout, as ADL impacts and changes the tonal curve preserving highlights better by shifting curve automatically as well as highlight area, and opens up shadows and midtones a bit. I shoot Raw + Fine Jpeg outdoors. ADL with Fine Jpeg often works well so I may not always need to use the Raw, except for very contrasty sunshine in Portraits. If doing landscapes, best to shoot in manual mode to easily change A or S, then adjust on screen using histogram.
tom1234567: why not buy Nikon FF D750 Camera and 24-85mm VR Lens £1749 for the lotwere as the D500 is £1720 body onlywould one not be better with the FF?all at srsmicrosystems.com
what do others thinkTom G
D500 is superior in a lot of features in new tech and video (4K), over even a D750, in most areas, except the low light IQ of D750. That said, D750 still has great video with Full HD (no 4K but not everyone needs 4K for what they do), also has tilt screen, relatively good build quality but D500 is better.Pro AF system of D750 is great for most needs for event photography, however D500 will be even much better with more focus points, and D500 has a few new features for video people worth noting. D500 can certainly be used for professional work, and likely give very detailed images probably up to 3200 iso before some loss of image quality at higher iso levels over 3200iso, if comparing to D7200 gives us an idea to start, of what a better IQ D500 could be with its new changes on specs. Won't know for sure how much IQ, until images and tests are available, but looks promising so far.
Thorgrem: It looks like a great camera and I have no doubt it is a fantastic camera. But I don't understand all the hype about it. This isn't the only modern high end APS-C camera. Pentax has the K-3II for some time now and had before always a current line high end APS-C camera's.
Putting most of the bells and whistles of D5 (pro features and top AF system) helps justify the 2K body cost of D500 to serious users. Consumers on a budget can always get the excellent D7200/D7100.
Pandimonium: I thought it was pretty compact, but it is larger than the full frame D750http://camerasize.com/compare/#648,567
Bit less weight than D300s is good. I think I read body was a little smaller than D810 also. ... and with all the great button controls on exterior in good positions (like ISO), better for ease of use over the double function buttons of D7200 layout.
Debankur Mukherjee: Waiting for a D750 and D810 update with all these features........
The D810 upgrade might get a few of these features, maybe 4K, because competition - Canon, might start offering it in their FF pro end (Sony already does in A7Rii). The D750 upgrade maybe 4K, but it has the consumer button control layout of D7200 and less rugged body and price to match compared to higher D810 price. D750 is body is better than D610 however. To keep selling D500 and D5 many best features will stay with these 2 cameras at their price point at the current time.
Mister J: No proper swivel LCD? I'll have to pass then.
From the photos above the mechanism behind the tilt screen looks very rugged and should last many years. Tilt screen works just as well as full articulating for most needs.
No Nikon were building their FF body line of cameras 610, 750, 810 and a few models before. I imagine they thought D7100 and D7200 were enough, but were actually working on a D500 for awhile before releasing, as there are many significant new improved features created from development. Pros and serious enthusiasts were looking for a pro body lighter camera as second or main camera for sports and wildlife and video, so Nikon made one and finally released it after the long wait. Lots of photographers already own Nikon glass DX or FX which both works on this new body. Better than switching systems and glass. Makes sense.
Pandimonium: I like that they are using pro dials. I've always hated the useless analogue mode switch, when you can just solve that with a button. But why is the top lcd still on when the camera is off?
The top lcd does not take a lot of power to remain on for display.
Choosing between a D750 and D500 will come to many peoples minds including mine. I would love to see just how good the low light low noise performance of D500 is. These 2 cameras bodies are close in cost. With kit lenses, there are always going to be lens combo sales ie. lower cost with certain lenses. D500 can be matched with other lenses not just new 16-80mm. The body of the D500 is first class technology for apsc, while D750 wiith great sensor has many differences in body features.
I thought the top LCD panel on the D750 is small size to read settings. Having a wider top area makes reading settings a breeze again like D810. D750 too small for my taste. Bit larger like D500 balances long lenses better which is in the target users for sports and wildlife.
ttran88: Easily camera of the year 2016!!
Nikon D7100 and D7200 were top performers in apsc sensors when first released. Now it is D500 to outperform D7200 as best apsc camera for image quality and improved low light low noise performance in apsc, high speed, AF tracking, and high feature set overall as all rounder and in a pro body with high spec LCD, tilt screen plus 1080-60P and 4K. The other brands have their work cut out to beat all those categories together or perform very high in most all categories of performance areas. Some have better 4K (such as GH4 in m43, but who has better video in apsc category in a DSLR body), but Nikon also has loads of other high features. Continuous AF liveview sensor tracking in 1080-30 or 60P/i goes to Canon 70D, 7D2 and Sony (60P 79pt), with A77ii. We will see how good the liveview tracking D500 has for smooth video(?).
Boss of Sony: Unfortunately DSLRs are only really for pros nowadays. Nobody I know wants to lug around a dslr anymore. Even my friend who has been a full time pro photographer for 15 years has switched entirely to Fuji with the x-t1.
Lots of enthusiasts or sports and wildlife hobbyists own both a DSLR and a mirrorless (at least have owned both). Depends on which one they end up spending more money on with a high end model, with new lenses, and this depends on which they may use more in their enjoyment of photography. Majority of pros and semi-pros I think reach for a DSLR for challenging work so far, some now using Sony though or high end m43.