Only on DPReview forums do people complain both when there IS a problem AND when it's fixed. And about people who had it AND people who did not. Gotta love it. ;-)
EGARA61: I have owned different Nikon cameras for years: F801s, F80, F100, D70, D200, D600 and several compact. The D600 is a camera haughtiness but with an obvious manufacturing flaw: Abnormal dirt sensor. Nikon's way of responding to this problem is a shame. I'll never buy again a camera of this brand!
It's also a shame that cleaning it yourself voids the warranty.
KW Phua: Nikon should offer free replacement for D600 users with D610, to bring back their reputation.
Same issues with Canon. Rule of thumb is to wait six months with each new announcement before buying, and let the early adopters find all the issues. D600 was a mistake on my part. I broke my own rule.
Average User: I think it is unlikely that the new shutter mechanism has anything to do with the oil issue. The oil isn't used in the camera; it isn't manufactured by the camera, so it has to have dripped into a bunch of the cameras in the production process from an assembly machine. The fixes are: find and fix the drip: clean the cameras that can be cleaned, and replace the ones that can't be cleaned. Has nothing to do with the underlying quality of the camera, or with improving the shutter mechanism, or this upgrade.
Except that it wasn't oil.
So to get this camera to focus properly you have to hold it in front of you like a compact and focus using the rear screen? I am the only one who thinks this doesn't really move the game forward in any meaningful way?
Since when did the word "stylist" become confused with the word "designer"?
Presumably when people started paying more for the label than they did for the product.
At least it's going to a good cause.
marike6: The D600 was going to be replaced anyway (all cameras get upgraded) so now is as good a time as any for Nikon to release the D610. For the unsatisfied D600 owners, isn't it better to sell their D600 now while shutter actuations are low rather than 1 year from now?
Almost every D600 now on the big auction site has bidders so it's not like people aren't interested in purchasing used D600s.
I'd be happy with either the D600 or a D610. Lighter than my D800 and the same beautiful files. So if any unhappy D600 owners want to donate their cameras to my charity, you can keep me in mind. :-)
I dont think oil or grease was the issue. The debris was irregular shaped and varied a lot in size. Looked more like tiny flecks of some material, and many people speculated that it was the coating on the shutter blades, though I guess we will never know. All I know is that after 6 months it was still as bad as it was on day 1.
57even: Would be interested to be a fly on the wall at the product planning office in Japan. Lots of red faced apologies no doubt, but I suspect the issue was with one of their component suppliers, since it all seems to narrow down to the shutter itself.
But if anyone is thinking of actually getting a D610 it should be a very nice camera with very few issues and at current prices it's a bargain. I really liked mine, even though I did exchange it for a D800. The latter is objectively better, but I doubt you'd notice 90% of the time.
The 6D is now over 50% less than at launch in the UK, so I would guess you are right.
Would be interested to be a fly on the wall at the product planning office in Japan. Lots of red faced apologies no doubt, but I suspect the issue was with one of their component suppliers, since it all seems to narrow down to the shutter itself.
Still the best controls of any DSLR. So easy to use, especially in manual mode. The green button is genius. The grip is very comfortable too (at least on K5).
Heavy though! A D600 is only 850g, even if it is mostly plastic.
Not going to swap back from Nikon/Fuji any time soon, but this has the best specs of any APSC DSLR out there as far as I can see. Good job Ricoh.
D300 users who want 8fps could do worse. Wonder how good the new AF is.
I find with my CSC that a Gorillapod makes an excellent mini tripod because you can normally find something at eye level to wrap it around.
I also have a waterproof cycling cape. If you are at an event like an airshow and can't find shelter in a hurry, one of these can cover you and your bag in one go. No need for a bag cover. And they wrap up very small and fit easily in an outside pocket. You don't even have to put your camera away.
Better than C1 (IMO) but a lot of moire. I would say evens with LR - artifacts vs detail. The same old trade off.
In the end of this none of this matters all that much unless you are very very sad.
absentaneous: in some way it of course make sense but on the other hand I wonder where would be fair to draw the line. for example, I come across a great looking sports car on the street and I take a picture of it and turn it into a poster and I sell copies of it. does that mean the company which designed and constructed the car can sue me? by that logic one couldn't possible take a picture of something man made or designed and use it commercially without permission without getting sued.
Yes well done, you have put your finger on the depths of this absurdity. This kind of litigation is turning life for everyone into a legal circus. The chances of anyone in a creative business staying out of court is getting smaller and smaller.
show some sympathy darn it! Without large payouts how could poor lawyers earn a living?
57even: All these comments about Fuji AF. Really? They pretty much fixed it.
If you still have a problem, perhaps you're just not the sort that's prepared to learn how to use a camera.
Foolproof is for fools.
Well the opinion of the internet is the opinion of those that have no other opinion, so perhaps you have a point. ;-)
All these comments about Fuji AF. Really? They pretty much fixed it.
Sam Carriere: Have you ever tried to use Fuji support?If ever the customer did not matter ...
Yes, they were excellent. Fixed one of my cameras out of warranty because they agreed a card interface error should not have happened at all.
But I buy my cameras from a reputable dealer and generally let him handle warranty issues. So far 100%. His opinion is that he prefers dealing with Fuji to all the rest.
Still no 16 bit layer support.
Would reduce their costs if they just used the same code in both programmes.
Canon is next, maybe Nikon soon after. Both have new sensor-based PDAF systems for existing sensors. Sony putting out models which look like SLRs already to get everyone "in the mood" which have PDAF and Alpha lens support.
I guess for a while, both will sell alongside each other but it's clear which direction the industry wants to go. Pretty soon you will be able to get a reasonable level of AF with legacy glass on new mirrorless models, so you will have a real choice.
I can see low end SLRs being phased out in a few years, though enthusiast models may take longer.
peevee1: Prices in the Fuji system are mind-blowing.
So far I would conclude that I got what I paid for. These are not cheap plastic lenses like nearly all the APSC lenses made for SLRs.
Compare with Nikon and Canon's professional primes and they start looking quite cheap.