Seems like DPReview would save themselves a lot of grief with a very slight redesign: clearly separate the scoring from the 'medal'.
Put the score chart BEFORE the 'final word'.Then in 'final word', spell out in the last paragraph (as they *sometimes* do) exactly why they chose bronze, silver or gold. Indeed I would expand the final word to a longer subjective insight, and put it and the medal on a different page altogether, entirely distinct from the objective testing.
Constantly reiterating the methodology in reply to antagonistic comments - or relying on the comments of others to do so - must be the least efficient way to justify their thinking, while causing the most antagonism.
Shame that Lightroom still has one of the worst UIs ever designed. I'd use Bridge (suitably customised) over it any day, but I guess my Adobe days are numbered either way. Unless the cloud idea bombs and they get some decent management in to rescue what is still potentially a great product.
If everyone on demos wore cameras would save a lot of lies being endlessly repeated by the media. The police can't stop everyone filming them, and camera wearers would have to behave themselves too.
benny_wong: at the widest end of sony RX100 you will get a 28mm @F1.8, or if you want a APSC sensor size can grab a NEX3n+20mm F2.8 pancakefail Nikon...
The lens on the GX1 is terrible as is the RX100 at its widest. You can't possibly make a judgement until you see the quality of the lens on this camera.
Just to balance up those who don't like 28mm, for me it's absolutely the length I would want for a camera like this. I do a lot of event stuff, where a small camera is a boon, and have always found 28mm just perfect. True, 2.8 is a stop or two less than we'd all like, but high ISO is so much cleaner these days, I've no doubt this camera will be far better at 6400 than the cameras I was using at 1600 seven years ago. QUALITY of lens is more important than ultimate speed - we'll just have to wait and see if it's any good.
If they're going to go the Sigma route and launch a few of these, 20/28/42 would be so much more useful TO ME than 24/35/50 - three lengths I've never liked or used since I first picked up a camera 25 years ago, so I for one am happy-ish to see this. You may differ - and that's ok - choice and variety are good things.
How foolish of me. I expected a hundred of the usual comments on how the winner didn't deserve to win because blah blah blah. Instead it's a litany of ignorant bigotry disguised as pseudo-political posturing. I thought this was a digital photography website; I was clearly wrong. I think we need to update Godwin's Law.
Timmbits: I see an admission that MFT can't quite compete with APSC,and the only reason they don't offer larger sensor cameras is marketing and the target market of the Panasonic brand: "Maybe we should have a premium model, maybe with bigger sensor. However, that takes engineering resources and you have to worry about price and the extra quality it will offer people - if we can sell 100,000 or 200,000, we will make it,' says Uematsu."
You've taken it out of context - he's talking about a premium model compact with a larger sensor than a normal compact, to compete with smartphones.
JRApprentice: In relation to the Panasonic ZS20 you state
" Image quality is decent, but not outstanding. If you'd prefer better images, with fewer bells and whistles, the ZS20's 'younger brother' the ZS15, is worth a look. "
What on earth is a camera with an inferior image quality to its "younger brother" doing in a recommended list of cameras?? Or have we got to the state where "bells and whistles" matter more than IQ? I bought the ZS15 because it has the same, much praised, sensor as the FZ150 and the IQ of the ZS20 was known to be rubbish.
Come on Dpreview, you can do better than this.
Image quality is not the prime consideration for me, or indeed anyone shooting things other than still life, architecture etc. What must matter first, is getting the shot. If a camera is so slow in operation or has a UI that is so poor you miss the shot altogether then all the image quality in the world is meaningless.
As an owner/former owner of an G6, G10, S90, S95, LX5 and a few I've forgotten... I have to say my XZ-1 is the best camera I've ever owned. It's not just the beauty and ease of the design, (it's far more fun to use than my 5D II) nor the speed of the lens - it's the quality of the lens.
I looked at the RX100, but aside from the high price and the lack of viewfinder option, the lens quality at the edges was significantly inferior compared to the XZ - as DPreview's test shots demonstrate all too readily. So I'm delighted that the XZ-2 stuck with a class leading lens, rather than trying for headline figures but poorer optics.
The LX7 looks tempting and should be on this list, but I see no reason to upgrade for another generation of upgrades yet. Noise and lens length and speed are not the whole story, not by a long shot.
jj74e: "legendary in-depth reviews"
lol. not that i'm saying dpreview's reviews aren't good. but legendary? eh...
Legendary - like dragons and fairies, we've heard of them but nobody's seen one for years
Dafffid: Suggestion 2
You should consider adding two new categories:Canon v Nikon Talk & Canikon v the Rest Talk - separating the endless warfare and trolling from the rest of discussions. Such threads will never disappear, and sometimes are useful and even funny, but if they were kept in their own space, they might be more welcome. Nearly every dpreview reader I studied photography with at Uni gave up on the forums long ago, tired of the chanting from the terraces.
It's not provoking them, they're there already. But it's allowing those who enjoy such debates (and there clearly are many who enjoy it, or they wouldn't keep on doing it), to enjoy themselves away from other discussions. It's a bit like licensing boxing, but not allowing people to punch each other in the bar. If it carries on in a designated area, you can just leave that area well alone without feeling the need to avoid the forums altogether.
The ability to move threads from one forum to another. The voting should include a Move option, with posters requesting a thread to be moved to another forum (which they specify in the comments).
As so many threads are making or asking for comparisons between models perhaps you should consider adding a couple of new groupings. The most obvious would be: Large Sensor Compact Talk - which would give a sensible home to the RX1, RX100, X100, Sigma DPs and so forth. (Possibly the Ricoh GXR might belong in there, depending on how you view it)
Let me guess: it'll be white, every button will have three functions - none of them clear, and it won't come with any instructions, because if you have to ask, you're not one of the klan...
zzapamiga: Sigma please sell Foveon to Canon or Sony. Your camera division cannot be profitable and you are primarily a lens maker. That way we can all enjoy Foveon sensors in great bodies with a better supported lens mount.
Canon will always be market-leaders who follow the innovation of others, and Sony already make the best CMOS sensors. Nikon are a conservative company - no chance. If we want Foveon developed it would have to be sold to someone with a need to trailblaze.
Olympus don't have the money, and although Fuji like experimenting with their sensors (I'm sad the S5's sensor was never taken forward) they have their hands full with their latest idea. That leaves Pentax, Panasonic and Samsung. Samsung are more interested in android cameras and new UIs. Panasonic have the resources and it would create differentiation between them and Olympus, but can't see it happening (unless rumours are true that they've ditched their own sensors for Sony in the GH3). But Pentax are in desperate need of something to make them contenders again. Their APS-C cameras are 'nice' - but 99% will still buy an Canikon instead. But put a Foveon inside one and you have a genuine unique selling point again.
These guys will buy it:http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151161162199851.471883.96845044850&type=1
Valiant Thor: What about lenses? Does anyone know if you will be able to use M4/3 lenses that work with the G5 and OM-D systems on this camera? Thanks.
Seems perverse to leave the XZ-2 off the comparison chart. The XZ-1 was the best of the last generation after all
photofan1986: And what's this thing exactly for?
Making calls and taking photos... which bit of the story confused you?