This seems like a Sony A6000 without the EVF & a few other features at a higher price. Why not make a hard core enthusiasts/professional camera that will take all those great canon lenses with a reasonably priced adapter? Sure they will lose some of their DSL sales, but they will anyway. This way they gain a mirrorless share at least.
anthony mazzeri: I think the DxO ONE is showing the most promise. Rather than fighting the phone camera onslught, they have decided to ride it. Which is something I always expected for years from the DSLR makers to embrace by releasing a 'blank' DSLR model or even a compact with an iPod dock to use an iPhone as the full back/LCD/controls. Pretty much basically what speaker/stereo companies realized they should be doing to rake the money in as soon as they saw the first iPhone. Even Thom Hogan has an article listing this an obvious expectation we will be seeing soon - back in 2007. But still nothing. Nada from the big camera makers at all. It's now taken non-camera smaller third-party DxO to pick up this ball and run with it, which has just been sitting out there in the middle of the field untouched by the two big league players for 8 years now.
I've tried that and really prefer my EVF.
jorg14: A lot of people seem to think this camera is built cheap. If you were to look at the cars of yesteryear, you'd find heavy rugged parts. Yet they broke often, required a lot of service and really didn't work very well compared to modern cars. As a former machinery designer, I'd hate to second guess Sony's engineers on this cameras longevity. We certainly know it works well. I'd wager it will last a while too. Probably longer than the consumer will want to keep it.
Longevity will depend on Parkinson's law. The more you like it the sooner it will break. If you hope it will break so you can get a replacement, it will last forever.
A lot of people seem to think this camera is built cheap. If you were to look at the cars of yesteryear, you'd find heavy rugged parts. Yet they broke often, required a lot of service and really didn't work very well compared to modern cars. As a former machinery designer, I'd hate to second guess Sony's engineers on this cameras longevity. We certainly know it works well. I'd wager it will last a while too. Probably longer than the consumer will want to keep it.
I have enough trouble getting my bought camera to work right.
MyopicOne: BAH! Mini tripods are for those with low testosterone counts. My venerable Velbon VGB-3--which I purchased new in 1978--hunkers down to roughly 30cm and extends to 152.4cm and is built like a tank rules all these mini to micro pods.
Sure it's massive, but that's just what the aging photographer needs. At 2.1KG it is a beast. But that beast will likely withstand anything that ma nat. can dish out.
I sold all of my film cameras circa 2003, but the old Velbon is the only piece that I have retained from the late 1970s.
Stress tests? My old Velbon has had the ignominy of a 77KG human plunked his plump derriere upon the unit and the Velbon could be heard laughing.
"Selfie stick?" You have a std. tripod mount and the VGB-3 will accommodate.
Photographers get tarred with the brush of 'physical specimen wannabes,' but start toting the Velbon and you may rapidly dispel such fripperous name calling . It's heavy and it works. Stop carping about your load and carry. We need manly old timers.
Plus think of the muscles you'll build, not to mention the self defense capabilities it has.
joelakeland: It's hard to see the enhancements over the previous 1" sensor. As a past owner of the RX100 and present owner of FZ1000, I think this is about what you get with the sensor, short of the best of the latest M43 but still pretty good overall with post-processing.
As I'm looking for a new walkaround smallish model, I think that this is out for two reasons, handling and it's overpriced. The ergonomics are still lacking(just as with the original model), as they are with the Panasonic GM5. I guess that means I'm not willing to tradeoff the handling factor just to get it smaller.
I added a grip onto my RX1002 and it helped. I agree though, If they could fit in an exposure compensation knob and a few other dials I'd be much happier than constantly having to go through menus.
I know most serious photographers won't like this but... my Zipshot is 13" long, weighs 10.5 oz. Takes my Sony Nex 7 with ease, raises up to 42" and costs about $40. For my hectic traveling style where I sometimes need a near full size tripod and have to grab a shot quickly it's perfect. For those who demand ultimate stability and like to fiddle, it won't be.
You say "Of course, Leica offers a lot more sensor". Aren't both full frame?What do you mean by that?
taktak91: I recently attended a photography session.There were about a hundred amateur photographers.95% of cameras used were Canikon DSLRs.A few Pentax.I only saw 2 Sony bodies, one SLT, the other DSLR (old A9 ). No mirrorless.Only mirrorless I saw was a Lumix.I don't know about the rest of the world, but here, DSLRs remain the only viable option. Mirrorless are regarded as inferior option for those who can 't afford 'real' cameras, for those who don't know much about cameras in the first place.
One, I'd guess the DSLR is traditional. Old habits die hard. Two, most people attending a photographic session are in fact amateurs and not in the know, and what impresses them is usually a big camera with a big lens. Three, about being the only viable option.. I think that's your take and doubt is a session policy. Fourth, all cameras are real. The biggest difference is mostly how you use them. But enjoy your DSLR, it's the same tool as a mirrorless only a little heavier.
Paul, for years I thought about full frame. In view of the technological sensor advances I decided to go smaller with a travel RX100 and Nex7. What do you do with full frame than you can't do with APS-C?
JakeB: No one here or in the Leica forum could tell the difference between an image from this camera and one from a cheap dslr processed in Silver Efex.
I had a Leica M3 as my first camera. No matter the detractors, it's still mechanical perfection and a work of art. As for it's digital perfection and value... you to be the judge.
lacikuss: Looking at these extra large lenses compared to FF equvalents I believe at this point only the Nikon 1 system has held to the original promise of a portable system
I agree Vadims. Have been carefully looking at the 4/3 equipment and it's great. But I'd be a fool to let my similar size Nex 7 + 10-18 go for a smaller sensor.
Paul B Jones: 15 feet doesn't cut it if you want to record police behaviour from inside your car after they have pulled you over.
Good Point Paul, and I agree. But how do you keep people from getting in the face of cops when they're trying to do their job?
WACONimages: EVF's are overrated! Yes of course there are many photographic situations an EVF could make a difference(maybe).
But actually it is more a mindset in my opinion. I'm a long time photographer and for over a decade I make a full-time living with photography. I always try to use the camera gear what is best for the job at that moment. Also love to improvise and think out of the box.
The last two years I found myself from being a 95% EVF shooter going to maybe 50/50% EVF or live view screen. Especially if you have a non fixed screen it gives you amazing opportunities to shoot at more creative angles.
At press events where it is crowed with photographers shoulder to shoulder with their big dslr N or C gear I just use a different angle and my screen. They look funny at me at these moments. Seems not be 'pro...' But I got the pics I want in a different way of photographing.
So no doubt an EVF will keep its place. But without an EVF you have another kind of 'freedom' while shooting...
I agree. In my case I never shoot action outdoors so it's a moot point. But I still would like an EVF if I can get one. So often what photographers want in a camera depends on how or what they shoot. I think this triggers hot debates about features when it shouldn't.
dgeugene1: I know this comment will provoke howls from the Sony RX100 fans but my experience is that a very good 1/1.7" sensor, in this case the Nikon P7800, is an excellent performer and only begins to diverge from all the 1" sensors at very high ISO's. The smaller sensor, of course, has the benefits of better lenses, lighter cameras, etc.
Where the 'jump' in quality occurs, in my opinion of course, is at 4/3. My LX100 resembles the IQ of my Canon 70D and is a huge 'jump' over the 1" sensors I have tried.
This will now provoke howls from Canon owners but my technical interests do not extend beyond making good pictures.
dgeugene1, Have a P7700 and Sony RX100 and completely agree. I also have a Nex 7 and have taken all three cameras on extensive travels. I can never be absolutely sure of which camera has taken what until I look at the Exif. I notice the Nikon is a little flat or down on contrast though. But it takes some looking and can easily be picked up in post processing. That Nikon is a great little under appreciated camera as long as there is enough light.
fairfaxian: This camera is potentially inching towards the feature set I have been waiting for for years. For nature & wildlife in the backcountry, it is often impractical to carry even the most compact SLR. And I like to carry a real camera at all times (in addition to smartphone). I always have my S100, which has produced many excellent images within its limitations. I still have a G10 which also delivered the goods.But I often observe wildlife at a distance, beyond the reach of a short telephoto. I even purchased what was once considered an ultra zoom -hated the tiny sensor.I have some excellent SLRs's, But they are often just too bulky -or fragile to carry.I know that every camera is a compromise, but technology reduces many tradeoffs over time.Wide range telephoto, with a fairly large sensor, in a compact, with an articulating screen that will let me peer under a large mushroom on the forest floor? Yes, I would go for that. Throw in a fast lens (or a low light sensor) and I WILL buy it.
fairfaxian, had a G10 and one of the best cameras I've owned. Replaced it with a Nikon P7700 as Canon stopped making theirs with swivel LCD's. The P7800 has a good zoom (27-200) and an EVF if interested.
Wacon, I too mostly use the LCD and have found if you tilt it to another angle, almost impossible to see screens due to glare become quite clear. I would always get an EVF if possible, but find they are often unusable, like when holding a camera over head. I also disagree with a lot of critics about amateurs holding the LCD at arm's length. It's like looking at a painting in a museum with both eyes, far more natural than looking through a monocular.
Granted for a working pro in a studio situation (rare for most of us) the Pentax would be a good tool. But do you really need the IQ the Pentax has over a good FF camera? Do your customers actually see the difference?For years I've lusted over full frame to replace my Leica M3 of old. But now I've come to the conclusion that APS-C is more than enough. In fact my latest toy is the Sony RX1002 and I've gotten some amazing pictures.
ennemkay: This will be the perfect telephoto companion to my wide angle 5n once Samsung releases a tele lens.
I don't get it either. You have the same sensor and all the lenses built in with the RX100 series, and most of them are faster, cheaper and you have only one lens to deal with. So why would anyone want to buy, carry and swap mostly more expensive slower lenses?