Provia_fan: Current experience with Serif software for image editing as a user and teacher is a no go folks.Stick to Adobe. Crashes behind crashes and weird memory bugs, plus memory munching for the simplest of things. Stick to Adobe.My two cents worth.
Being open source user, it should nor surprise, that there are many ways to have many options to avoid problems with patents.I'm not sure if Affinity is totally new program, but so far I see no reason to misbelieve them. Soon we will find what is the truth.Have a nice day.
... or use their own solutions.BTW, afaik cmm from cnx2 was open source code... If You are interested in it, look at txt files that are together with program code. Nothing wrong about using open source code...
Marcin 3M: I would never ever say anything wrong, if Adobe Photoshop were the product for rent from the beginning.
The way of changing licensing rules and the way they did it, is - for me and many others - unfair.
There is difference between two scenarios.The death of product or company is something like " vis major".Total change of the rules on one side as a result of cold calculations is totally different thing. Btw, those changes were kept confidential, and some massages were saying about cs7 upgrade. Adobe could inform clearly about their plans at the beginning of cs6, but they did not. Why? Another result of cold calculations?
I would never ever say anything wrong, if Adobe Photoshop were the product for rent from the beginning.
Tom Goodman: Don't like Adobe? Don't buy it. Like Adobe? Subscribe. Everything else is written selfie.
Tom, if You haven't noticed it yet: You can't buy most of their recent products, because these products magically turned into service with time-constrained contracts.
Marty4650: People who enjoy paying $10 a month for the rest of their lives to get the latest tools are right. This is the "best deal for them" even if it is a very poor deal for others. But there are plenty of other people who don't want or need to upgrade every year. And their attitude seems to be... "that's their problem.... I got what I want."
I wonder if these those people lease their cars rather than buy them? I wonder if they upgrade to every release of Microsoft Office? Do they rent their homes? Or rent their furniture? Do they upgrade their wives every year?
I think the whole point of the complaints is that Adobe stopped giving you a choice of renting or buying. Everyone has to rent now, or use some other software. Take it or leave it.
This may be great for the people who were upgrading every year anyway, and for Adobe's bottom line, but it shouldn't be hard to understand why other people would rather own their homes, cars, furniture or software rather then renting.
Abotrabort, when You finally became "perfect loaner", one day You may discover that something owns You.
Abortabort, i can treat my perpetually licensed program almost like any other thing. I can loan, sell, borrow my license in almost the same way I can do it with any other stuff like car, bicycle, camera.
It is obvious that I am not allowed to replicate my license, but I can't replicate my camera too (like most of us).
You can repeat "revelations" about support contract, but it is fake. If You want proof look at the retouching forum here and elsewhere. So many users wants help from others with sw problems, despite their valid "service contract".Adobe claimed that now they do service. They could also claim "sorry, we are out of the further development ideas", but it would not be welcomed by the shareholders.
The Squire: I prefer to use Deluxe Paint III - It's subscription free and 32 colors are enough for anyone.
Nothing can beat Kala Micro Illustrator on Atari 800XL.
Marcin 3M: In 25 years from images of the real world to the real world of fake images...PS changed the meaning and value of photographical document. Unfortunately, in the disastrous way.
AK47 manufacturers either doesn't force anyone to use them...But made the use of it extremely simple, affordable and expandable with handy grenades.
Agentul, As a result, You rent everything - including the place where You live and place where You work (as a result You are working for somebody else, even being professional, able to work on your own).
Finally, You rent everything, and you are dependent from the owners of goods that You are using, and the exploiters of Your skills.
And as a result, one day, passing away, You will left nothing for the relatives who are going to stay here, making them even more susceptible to renting...
Does it look familiar to You?
Doesn't it look like middle ages?
Agentul, so why most companies are fighting to OWN something, that even is not a material thing - to own the right.
The licences and the patents. While taking great care about this subjects of property, these companies also care for regular forms of ownership: resources, land and and real estate.
You are right, we are asked (if not forced) to rent everything. But why? If renting is a superior way of "ownership", most things would be offered "forever". But it is not the case, therefore we are forced to rent.
In 25 years from images of the real world to the real world of fake images...PS changed the meaning and value of photographical document. Unfortunately, in the disastrous way.
Nikonandmore: Is this a joke? This was news 5 years ago, same sensor. Canon does nothing new to innovate and must think we are all stupid and have alzheimers.. lol
No, not the same.The old one had horizontal noise banding, this one has vertical.
I mentioned "engines" (plural form). It means, that SW is capable to convert to and from CMYK color model (nowadays using one of CMM's), later this requires numbers of modifications in processing algorithms (maybe You have noticed differences in PS's functions availability in different color models) to be capable to process such representation of colors in image. This is how PS, Krita, PhotoPaint and PhotoLine works - all these programs fully support CMYK. From Serif info, so does Affinity (no idea if they patented it or not - and it is in fact meaningless). Photoplus, like GIMP, PaintShopPro somehow deal with CMYK model, but internally image is stored as RGB array, and in such form it is being processed.And yes, some algorithms are patented (like mentioned by me algorithm for cutting contents from image, that Adobe was forced to remove from later editions). But there are enough possibilities to develop and implement new algorithms that don't violate other's intellectual property.
provia_fan, what You mean saying "cmyk engine"? Photoplus does not fully support cmyk, does it? It can export separations, but there is not cmyk mode. Am I right? From designers info, afinity works with cmyk.
What's wrong with using other's methods. Most do that. Adobe acquired a number of companies, just mention rawshooter or freehand. Btw, both were excellent, freehand even better that illustrator in many aspects. Btw, remember first inteligent cut-of algorithm from ps7? Do You know, why it was abandoned later?
Don' be afraid, CMYK algorithms are patented, but not CMYK itself. Open source Krita works with CMYK pretty well, in some aspects better than photoshop.
Provia_fan, support for cmyk (16 bit) requires new engines and data structures, together with all-new methods to access/process the images. In PS 3D and new raw support did not "touched" data structures for storing images.
Provia fan, Support for CMYK and 8bf plugins is enough to say, that it is not photoplus with different name.
@provia fan, again, this is completely new piece of SW. No reason to estimate its quality on basis of different products.
I hope that it is the beginning of the end of software giants on image processing market. Software that "featurewize" outperforms PhotoShop (photoline) is designed by two persons. Serif is bigger company, but still very small in comparison to "A". Also Phaseone is tiny...Huge enterprises are cares more about shareholders than their products user...
Jabilson, I stopped with cs6, and while there are some annoyances, it is still pretty stable. However, some graphic drivers can decrease stability of PS.