The New Guy On The Block: I'm new to the world of DSLR and I just got my first camera. I picked up the Nikon D5100 on sale at Target for a steal of $ 314.00 and I got the last one in the box. I love shooting with this camera and already what to move up to the D5300 after only 2 weeks with my new D5100. Is there a big jump for me to move up from the D5100 to the D5300?
The Nikon D5100 is a good camera and DxOMark have rated it as follows:
It sits 32nd in the overall sensor rating scores and the D5200 is 14th. It depends what you want out of a camera but the D5100 produces great results. It's probably best to use the D5100 and get used to shooting with a DSLR and buy good lenses to use with it with some of the extra money you could have spent to purchase a D5300 and maybe when you decide to change your camera you might decide to go for a D7100 instead and you'll already have a good choice of lenses to go with it.
sdribetahi: Yawn. Another middle of the road plastic Canikon that just removes features of more advanced models. It's like the Honda Accord of cameras.
Honda's are boring but I believe they are quite reliable and if you haven't got transport to get to a photographic location then well there's no need to worry about your camera ;)
...and boring on....it seems to me these lower level of Nikon cameras are more reliable than the at times quirky upper level cameras.
Jake64: The Cannonization of Nikon has begun. One model after another that share all too many features of the previous. OLPF removal aside, this is the same camera as the 5200. Even with the filter gone it only satisfies pixel peepers and no one else. But I guess that's what comes down to in the battle for market supremacy. It's pixels people understand and given that every manufacturer of DSLR makes good cameras, the folks looking to buy one to take photos of their newborn will look for quantitative values such as pixels, screen size, and the ability to instantly share their jpegs with a wifi receiver.
All revised models on the D5000 and no doubt Nikon still selling the D5100 and D5200, it just means more choice at whatever price range one wants a camera at and more market share I'd wager; I wish I had this choice two years ago when I purchased a not so good at focusing Pentax camera.
Wow!, upgrades to existing models are afoot and it's not a bad precedent to have more frequent updates, very good, say no more, say no more.....
Freddog: Andrew 770 ,clearly you feel very strongly about the D600 issue not being an issue.What intrigues me is that you have just joined dpreview October 10 and ALL you comments are to defend the D600 . Let it go man.
I was wondering that myself, must be a Nikon employee or some sort of affiliate, it's as if he's trying to neutralise out all the negative comments that people are free to say from their own outlook and or standpoint. As I've stated in all my comments about the D600 camera there is no reason why products should be shipped out to customers with design and/or production quality issues.
ManuLo: I also thought that d7100 has the same sensor that d3200.But the d7100 has a Toshiba sensor and d3200 has a Sony sensor. The Pentax has the Sony sensor of d3200 not the d7100 sensor
D3200 sensor size 15.4 x 23.2 D7100 sensor size 15.6 x 23.5 D7100 6036 x 4020 pixels.D3200 6080 x 4012 pixelsD7100 Pixel pitch (µm) 3.9 D3200 Pixel pitch (µm) 3.8D7100 Sensor photo detectors (Mpix) 24.26D3200 Sensor photo detectors (Mpix) 24.39D7100 bits per pixel 14D3200 Bits per pixel 12
The Sony 24Mp sensor was first used in the SLT A77 and SLT A65 but high ISO low light performance not quite as that found on D3200. The Nikon D5200 and D7100 use the Toshiba sensor. As you'd probably already know previous/current Pentax models use the Sony 16Mp sensor and also previous Pentax 12Mp cameras used a Sony sensor.
The K-3 looks to be a potentially good camera with the 24Mp Sony sensor and if the AF is good on this camera all is good.
The thing is with Apple :) and mobile phones in general is having high megapixel cameras on them as gimmicks sells the phones to gain the phone contracts from people, which earns the phone companies a pretty penny or two, and saying that mobile phone users are competing with DSLR sales maybe a fallacy......this has no doubt been said before so thought I'd say it again ;).......sorry.
Paul B Jones: Interesting that Nikon fixed and renamed essentially the same camera rather than carrying on with the D600 label.
A different strategy would have been to announce that problems had been identified in early production models of the D600 but these have now been fixed and it was all good going forward.
I guess they thought the D600 name was permanantly tarnished.
@Andrew770 Yes reading forum comments about the D7000 gave me the bums rush when my brand new camera wasn't focusing properly out of the box. As I stated in a comment below there is no mention of it being a requirement to AF tune and I own 3 other up to date DSLRs that I've not fine tuned and this D7K owners manual says the opposite, another person I know who purchased the same camera had the same issues as me. I kept reading comments on the forums that they'd sent their cameras back a few times and also the focal length it's fine tuned at may not focus properly at a different focal length and all that, I didn't want to send the camera back where I bought it as I'd been looking for this camera for a while and wanted to use it.
Yes camera manufacturers do a great job, but my comments here are about the engineering aspect and a little bemused at challenging products entering the marketplace and just highlighting this, but as I've said D600 great camera! and kudos to Nikon.
Essentially multinational companies are governed by the lawsuit culture in America so are reticent to reveal all and also on this point, DSLR sales, I've read, are higher than other types in America. Aside from this reticence, people have generally returned products for a refund and not thought twice about it but people on forums have generally something to say to get it off their chest I guess.
It looks to me there might be a different shutter mech design that might not fit in the D600 so hence this revised model.
The D600 is a great camera, but not sure I'd like to be fiddling in the engine bay as it were near the sensor trying to physically clean it on a semi-regular basis, cameras are sensitive instruments and the most I do is use a blower and keep my mitts out of there.
keepreal: If you can get a secondhand D600 at a bargain price then why would anyone want to risk it?
A few years ago I was interested in a Volvo car but read of dangerous flaws - the accelerator pedal sticking with the throttle open and electrical fires in the engines. Volvo refused to acknowledge the faults although they happened to quite a few vehicles.
When you buy a product at a premium price you expect service to match the outlay. In the 1960s I had a Contaflex with interchangeable lenses, not a brilliant design but so well engineered the results were way beyond expectations. I dropped one of the lenses, badly damaging it. I had it back perfectly repaired but Zeiss only charged 5 gbp when 50 would have been justified. When I expressed surprise they said when you buy Zeiss you also are buying service.
Nowadays too many manufacturers take your money and then do all they can to sidestep their responsibilities. If I were in the market for a new DSLR, I would not trust Nikon ever again.
Ah right a bit unusual not to have had a component part resolution from the supplier. The reason why multinational companies are reticent to publicly own up to issues with some products is because of the lawsuit culture in America and internal correspondence in emails etc discussing issues is to be avoided e.g. Firestone tyres on Ford Explorer in 2000.
Volvo would have dealt with these issues in a department that is responsible for quality concerns after the vehicle is launched and would repair on an individual basis and if severe enough they'd perform a recall on all affected vehicles. It depends on the manufacturer but generally this responsible department would be called Ongoing Product Development and would allow the formerly prototype vehicle (now launched) staff to move onto other new projects. Rest assured vehicle testing is rigorous at component and whole vehicle level, but having said that there are efforts to minimize product development testing lead times and costs.
I mean without any answers from the manufacturers we are all left here to speculate, good or bad.
Oh well, don't get nightmares everyone :)
alextardif: Pardon my ignorance, but maybe someone cares to outline how this camera compares/fares against A77? I have the A77 and RX1, both of which I love, but I know nothing about Pentax. Based on the spec sheet summary (and, of course, the AA filter innovation) i see a lot of general similarities and but also few better options/features on a few years old A77. What is so special about this Pentax? Doesn't look like there are a lot of amazing glass for it or that many aftermarket accessories. Enlighten me as I'm in a market for another camera and strongly considering OM-D E-M1 for it's portability and weather protection (I travel a lot in dusty/wet areas). Thanks!
If you look at 'DXO Mark' website cameras are ranked by Colour Depth, Dynamic Range and Low-Light ISO and receive an overall score for these attributes and from this and looking at test results on this DP Review website you will get a better idea how to judge what you want from a camera.
Looking at these results reveal that despite being a very good image sensor in the A77, it isn't too good in low light high ISO situations and I've seen this in actual photographs, where as from the DXO Mark tests and test results on this DP Review website, Pentax have slightly better low light performance. Pentax haven't been good in the AF department as compared to firstly Canon and Nikon with recent models, but I'd assume that their AF design is sorted now one would think.
I myself look for low light performance at higher ISOs and if you're looking for great low light high ISO performance then a Full Frame camera is the best for this.
VREN: I have used my brother's D600 and it is a really great camera, but I have also experienced the mess and understand the additional work required in post processing (to clean dirty pictures) or to regularly clean the sensor. Nikon response to these owners have been unsatisfactory.
Nikon's management seems to have used up all their "innovation fuel" after a period of exciting products. They need to refuel and remain profitable through good honest service to their customers. They also need to stop trying to manipulate money from their customers by crippling the exciting products that their engineering teams have developed and also replace what appears to be successful products like the D300s.
Yes perhaps 'Cost Cutting' products, this goes on with the Automotive sector also, but over the life of the product, but maybe they are putting a slight pinch on the Engineers from the start with cameras. Not sure I understand what Cost Cutting is all about, is it to pay the share holder dividends whilst maintaining the same profits......don't understand this penny-pinching when there is great Engineering Design and Production capability in the 21st Century.
This is not Manufacturer bashing but, it would be nice to buy a new camera that doesn't have issues, on contacting Nikon of my AF issues on my D7000, was told that I should tune my lenses to it and intimated having a camera that was perfect would cost more and also there was no mention of AF fine tuning the D7000 before use in the Owners Manual. Pentax have had issues with their previous models also, so presumably these in field quality issues are to just produce affordable cameras, but coming from an engineering background myself you'd think that these products be tested before launch much like automobile manufacturers test their vehicles and use of FMEAs and other key test documentation; maybe with a short product development cycle time the Engineers don't have time to get all the boxes ticked. So, in the end you'd at least think and accept they would function properly and at the same time be affordable or perhaps the affordable bit is a broader tolerance and quality on components.
Mr AJB: Blink and you'll miss nothing, I can only surmise that stagnant product development as regards the sensors is related to the floods in Japan or perhaps don't want the upper entry level cameras upstaging the cream of their DSLRs. Well, Nikon once said that 12 Megapiixels is enough, looks that Canon are implying the same
Ah, reading the specifications and comments here there's better ISO performance and no doubt corresponding lower noise levels over the previous model, that's progress then and important for everyday photography in all weathers and light.
Blink and you'll miss nothing, I can only surmise that stagnant product development as regards the sensors is related to the floods in Japan or perhaps don't want the upper entry level cameras upstaging the cream of their DSLRs. Well, Nikon once said that 12 Megapiixels is enough, looks that Canon are implying the same
forpetessake: This poll is meaningless. How do you compare apples and oranges? If this poll was called "which camera is the most hyped," then it would all make sense, and that's what seems people are voting for anyway.
You maybe right like which song is number one in the music charts, perhaps not one that I'd buy :)
shademaster: What a pointless and arbitrary exercise. :(XZ-2 but no LX7? E-PL5 but no E-PM2? T4i but no D3200? Did you make the list by throwing darts at a dart-board? No NEX at all? (And this is not fanboyism: I own a Samsung NX and I don't see any of them here.) How many people who are going to vote are in a position to compare cameras on the list? Really?
If they put the list together using darts and a dart board, top tip, they should have thrown the darts pointy end first.
I should have said for the D3200 that it's the APS-C camera that raised the bar and to vote from this list I'll vote for the D600 for its continuation of the Nikon design approach in 2012 i.e. lower noise at higher sensitivities with a new design has got to be progress hasn't it.
For me the camera that raises the bar in 2012 is the Nikon D3200, it is 24Mp it is good in low light/higher sensitivities than the Sony camera design using the same sensor, its smaller, lighter and suitable for outdoor everyday photography. Nikon have continued the 24Mp and better at higher sensitivities with the D600 and not seen test results for the D5200 but no doubt it's the same level of standard. I own a D3200 and recently purchased a Pentax K-30 that is on this list, but the Pentax mechanical-esque sound of the shutter is a not a match to the quiet sound of the Nikon with SWM lenses.