nunatak: priced at more than twice it's weight in silver — it's a steal. :)
Especially since silver has no workmanship. ;)
justmeMN: Canon estimates that they will sell 6.4 million interchangeable lens cameras this year. Not bad, for a company that does everything wrong. :-)
@nekrosoft. So the market is wrong? You might not like their preferences but it is the market demand that gives us things like reality TV the Vege-matic and Canon EOS-Ms.
RichRMA: The FF pleas continue, 24mm isn't "wide" enough. The wide angle fetish that has infected so many photogs continues to plague the hobby. Whatever happened to people shooting landscapes for instance, with 50-100mm lenses? Do we REALLY need more distorted-looking seascapes with long-exposure blurred water?
Use the Rokinon 14. Its plenty sharp and you don't really need to focus.Also cheap.
Peter CS: Note to Canon - 50MP might sound great, but landscape photographers are just as much interested in great dynamic range, and this is why almost all serious landscape photographers have migrated to Nikon! I have held on to my L glass and love the new 11-24mm and 16-35mm, in hopes of a serious Canon rival to the Nikon 600,700,and 800 series. Also, I greatly appreciate the fact that Canon is bolder than Nikon in clearly labeling which lenses are weather-resistant. I hope that the 5s does have better dynamic range than it sounds like it does - and certainly better than 5dIII! I can only imagine trying to create HDR images from these huge image files - what a pain! (and may need/require necessary and expensive computer resources/upgrades!).Canon, please just give us a 24mp or higher, high dynamic range camera so I can finally dust off my L lenses in storage and permanently retire my 5d and problematic Nikon FX equipment for good!Lastly, thumbs up to Nikon for the 750 pivoting screen!
Actually ALL the manufacturers are falling short if the comments in these fora are any indication. Nikon and Canon -no mirrorless or WiFi, Fuji-X-Trans is smeary and low res+ poor video,Sony is clunky with poor ergonomics, M43-sensor too small. Etc, etc, etc.Canon now has 50 MP and Nikon doesn't. Does that mean Canon wins? Not really,but then they really weren't losing either. As to the comments on DR, I have yet to see anything from my Nikon friends (and they are legion) that the vaunted DR is actually visible and makes a difference in real life shooting. Showing me yet another cat picture is scarcely evidence.
Clearly the current cameras are not delivering the magical images we all pine for and thus we are being thwarted in our artistic ambitions. I am sad that our vision has been so cruelly denied us by the manufacturers that insist on making cameras that were unimaginable 5 years ago instead of making the cameras of 2050.
Silversilver: Color reproduction and DR is very important when targeting photographers needing high res. MF backs are used primarly for these first, then the resolution.Hope the 5DSR has good color reproduction, especially on the skin tones, not too redish, and better DR. Hopes the optics can follow too. At that time, i can't understand the bashing of a camera that has not been tested yet. Its a good move pro cameras get specialised, because serious pro photographers are too.
You can sing the praises of 16 bit output and the color reproduction of MF backs but in the end, careful profiling of all the devices involved and a lot of practice will allow you to get what you want.
goshigoo: 3 mm is huge difference in wide angle
F4 is fine as the relative motion at 11mm is less than 14mm by a long shot. And as goshigoo noted the Samyang/Rokinon 14 f2.8 is brilliant for that work IF you need 2.8
When using that lens for astrophotography I found I was using it at f4 as the vignetting was so strong that there was scant advantage to using it.
Ignat Solovey: Someone decided to beat Sigma by four degrees of diagonal field of view eleven years after original 12-24 came out. Several times more expensive and probably better... Until there is 12-24 Art out there... Somewhere... Sometime... I guess there is no other UWA lens to perform as expected on 5DsR, and 126 degree FOV on 51 Mp is yummy-yummy for interiors (less so for landscapes, we need to be careful about viewers brains), but for everyone else, who need JUST wide angle... Nope. Or Sigma.
I owned and used the Sigma for several years. It made money for me for sure but when I switched to the 17 Canon TS-E my clients noticed the difference in my images.
The Sigma WAS soft at the edges and when shooting interiors the sharpness of items near the edge was important. I have no fear of third party lenses and was using them before you were born. The fact is that my clients are making larger and large displays of my work and the gear has to support the output.
Sigma did not, Canon did. Yes, I had to pony up $2500 but it paid for itself in two jobs.$3000 for this lens is an easy justification as I will not worry a client will complain about a chair that is bit soft. Nor will I wrestle with the difficult to correct distortions.In the long run it saves me money.
If you cannot control your color or skin tones on Nikon or Canon you are doing it wrong.
The 12-24 Sigma was a great achievement but this lens is way better and is a far more credible tool for someone making a living with it.
I compared the IQ to the 1Dx (FF and comparable resolution) and the Oly looks very competitive at lower ISOs. Higher ISOs show the advantage of the Canon sensor but the performance of the OLY is still impressive.
stevo23: So underwhelming. Not sure why they bothered with this.
Compared to the one you made in your garage from old Twinkie wrappers?
neo_nights: Let's face it: sensor technology has got to a point where you simply CAN'T decide between cameras based on image quality alone. Unless you pixel peep (which is expected from a gear forum, I know), a picture *well taken* with a Canon 1000D and a Sony A7 is negligible for most people's eyes.
So, while those galleries (by 'galleries' I mean: from all the recent cameras that have been posted on DPR) are nice to give SOME idea about a camera, it can't be the decisive factor.
For all the "differences" we really are nit picking. Virtually any camera will make astounding images. The fact that differences may be noted in the lab is irrelevant to real world photography where those differences disappear.
Bokeh hounds are drooling already.
Of course the bokeh trolls are lying in wait to declare the bokeh busy.
Edgar_in_Indy: Samyang certainly makes some interesting lenses that are good values, but I don't understand why they don't put autofocus in them, even if it's just screw-drive. I think it would certainly broaden their appeal.
I mean, it's not like cheap AF lenses haven't been done before. I'm thinking of lenses like the Quantaray 28-80mm I have in the back of my closet somewhere.
By not adding AF keeps the price down and allows them to offer them in all the mounts with only minimal engineering effort.
We all like shiny stuff
Most of us suffer from GAS and thus a preoccupation with the attributes (real or imagined) of gear in the hope that somehow the new gear will make better images or be more enjoyable to use.
I don't really care if someones fantasy makes them spend money on what I view as an unrealistic endeavor. What is annoying is the huge noise created in defending or attacking the various opinions of photographic orthodoxy.
OK, so people who were never going to even lay a finger on this lens have spoken out.1. No OIS, wah,wah,wah.2. Big and heavy. Physics and metal construction at work.3. F2.8 is not the same as something else that I also don't own.
Hooray, we have heard you. Now hurry off to FB and gloat about how you set us straight.
BeaverTerror: Perplexed about the lack of OIS, given that the wide angle 10-24mm has it. There is now one less compelling reason to purchase this lens over the much faster primes.
OIS most likely requires IQ compromises. A moving element is unlikely to be stable even when the feature is disabled.Note that Canon and Nikon did not add this to this FL in their line as these are standards of the industry.
makofoto: Forgot to ask him about the Sony A7S. It would be amazing to see what he could do with it!
He uses his gear to great advantage but many cameras would do just fine. What is important is his eye.