Winner of the "Because we can" and "Manly lens" awards of 2015.
Happy to see it made but note that this will be a amusing footnote in lens products. Bokeh whores will be able to argue all day with this one.
Might be great might not.
The problem is the highly unlikely possibility anyone will take notice and adopt it.
J A C S: Nice color and rendering.
This shot is a moire fest from a sensor designed to prevent moire:
I would see more with my 5Dmkiii
PeaceKeeper: More expensive than a brand new m3 with summicron on release(adjusted).
Technology today is a hard comparison to the technology that originated in the 20's. The automotive industry helps illustrate this when they note that, adjusted for content and technology, cars have not really risen in price as much as one would think.With cameras, the entire replacement of the guts of the camera with electronics unthinkable 40 years ago,it is similar despite the nominal function of photographing.
Sickheadache: I am waiting on Sony's A7Rlll with 60mp, bigger body, 8fps, and Pizza Oven.
I refuse to consider it if there is no dishwashing option.
Photomonkey: So. is the D/SLR shape public domain?
BTW, talked to a GoPro exec and they agree with me that this is the cheapest publicity they can buy. They noted that they have patents on the cam that predates Polaroid by a couple of years.
So. is the D/SLR shape public domain?
Mike Sandman: Most cameras now come with wifi and an app for controlling the camera remotely. If you have a camera with wifi, the manufacturer probably offers an app for controlling it from a tablet of smartphone. So you can use Tether Tools products that make it possible to mount your iPad or other tablet on a swivel attached to your tripod. The cost is around $150, and you don't have to worry about cables. (But wifi eats batteries...).
@straylightrun, I often have my camera remotely located that precludes a cable. Yes it is inferior to a wired connection but it beats no connection.
Camera Wifi DOES stink. Short range, buggy apps and the inability to upgrade or replace the hardware.This is intriguing to me but the wifi of the CamRanger is currently use is rock solid. And wifi is what I need. LV on CR is poor but I rarely need it for my work.
Photomonkey: The IQ is fine for the range of photos 99% of people are going to shoot. I agree that the DR falls short of the competition WRT +6 stop push but to be realistic, when you are in that situation you are screwed already.
If you are a pro using this camera (or any camera) you are in control of the exposure and if in studio, the lighting. If you are an enthusiast who appreciates Leica cameras and lenses you will be happy using it in a manner that optimizes IQ. If you are a hobbyist shooting JPGs you might as well be using a phone.
This camera is not and never will be for sports or birding. Nor will it be used for weddings. But there is still a universe of photographers who will feel the value proposition of the camera, naysayers be damned.
The Sony does offer excellent value. The Leica clearly does not for you. And while there are those who will buy it for vanity there are those who will buy it because it is the platform designed for Leica lenses. I use Canon and I am very happy with it despite the fact I am supposed to loathe it because of its outdated sensor. So while for some the Leica falls short, for others it still has appeal beyond vanity.
My point is that the IQ will work just fine. The images of the ultimate camera on earth will look almost identical to an image made with a phone when used in the typical ways they are today.That is : the web and small home printers.The fact that one may see shortcomings of any file from any camera on a monitor in PS at 800% is meaningless except for those who live by this solitary pastime.Pro or not, no viewers will be able to see a thing between this or any camera in normal viewing.Michael Reichmann demonstrated this several years ago when he printed images from a Canon G7 and a Phase One and a group of seasoned and picky photographers could not reliably distinguish between the two.Thus the choice comes down to how the camera handles, what lenses it offers and how it helps or hinders the user.
Satyaa: I am not a pro, nor an MF enthusiast, but I have always felt that this camera and its lenses were priced higher than they should be. I feel the same about this plan.
If the product prices (as well as this plan's) were lower at least a third (or even more), I think that there would be a wider market.
Lot of enthusiasts who are saturated with the 35mm FF cameras would then turn to MF... all they need is a landscape lens and a portrait lens. I am not arguing who needs it or who would benefit from it, but those reasons won't stop enthusiasts from buying :)
Actually the demand curve for DSLRs is not any sort of straight line. It is a common error to say "If they lowered the price, they would sell a lot more."
At some point a price drop will not sell more units simply because there are just not enough people who want a specialized product.
The other consideration is that with a lower price you have a lower profit which then needs a much larger increase in demand than what often materializes.
Lastly, if we follow this logic to its conclusion, EVERYTHING should be really cheap and we would all be rich.
The IQ is fine for the range of photos 99% of people are going to shoot. I agree that the DR falls short of the competition WRT +6 stop push but to be realistic, when you are in that situation you are screwed already.
Volumes are huge for DSLRs because a lot of people are familiar with them and they fill the camera requirement. MF is a unicorn for most and would completely mystify the average user.
Don't forget that DSLR users overwhelmingly shoot JPG and seem to shoot using the LV on the back of the camera simply because they never used eye level finders. In addition they buy bundles with kit lenses and never buy another lens.There would be endless howls about size, absence of video features, absence of novelty filters, no FB upload button etc.
It would be like trying to sell a one ton truck to some urban cowboy who wants to strut downtown rather than haul a load of lumber.
Their competition is Phase One and Hasselblad with well heeled hobbyists adding healthy volume.
Lowering the price is not a panacea for profitability despite what many think.
SL means Super Large?
I guess they are zigging when everyone else is zagging.
Hmm..... S size without the sensor or resolution. :/
expressivecanvas: As usual... another new lens and no Sony e-mount. Sigma already said they were interested in the Sony e/fe market and they already manufacture a few APS-C e-mount lenses. It would be really nice to see some full frame Sigma lenses in e-mount so this is another disappointment.
Investment is precisely what third party manufacturers wish to avoid. Their unique selling proposition is price.
I understand that, but if you think Sigma or Zeiss will re-design a lens to accommodate Sony ML you are being unrealistic. What they would do is basically add an adapter that was integrated into the barrel. ML cameras are still too small a market for them to dedicate a new design for them. I would also opine that the Zeiss Otii exhibit bulk due to the retrofocus design that works best with digital sensors thus avoiding the angularity issues at the edges. So, no, I do not think you are going to get any real savings in size from ML short of going to smaller apertures and abandonment of AF.
It would have been slightly LONGER to make up for the absence of mirror box. The physics does not change.