BigShooter: I really dislike articles like this...
Who cares what somebody shoots with, just create something and move on.
"Ever heard of an opinion?"Really? Your opinion is that everyone's was irrelevant. So the question is germane; why are you here?
EcoR1: Mirrorless are much cheaper to manufacture and assamble compared to DSLR. That thing alone will be a major driving force to make DSLR almost extinct in 10 years. What can Canikon do, when Sony starts putting their A7-series into 500-1000 euros category? Even now you can buy a new A7 just under 1000 euros. Full frame DSLR just can't compete with that.
I would agree with EcoR1 as electronics have steadily replaced mechanical components in every field if possible. The advantages cited being cost, size, reliability, and features. This has largely been borne out in many areas where prices are incredibly low for what was only recently deemed magical. The ability to robotically manufacture tens of thousands of digital components with far more features than say a simple mirror box augurs well for the concept.We all love beautiful machinery but today no one would dream of buying a camera such as a Pentax Spotmatic because even though it is well made and affordable (unlike Leica) it is impossible to have features the public demands. The world is changing and despite the warnings of the doomsayers at every new development, the photo world has not collapsed.
Photomonkey: "DxO also offers a Super RAW mode which composites four Raw frames captured in quick succession. The company claims a DxOMark Sensor Score of 85 for its Super RAW mode, which far surpasses any score for a current smartphone."
I wonder how many will suspect a manipulation of data to boost sales?
As a 5DmkII owner I will throw a tantrum about ANY camera that pokes me in my fanboy eye. ;)
"DxO also offers a Super RAW mode which composites four Raw frames captured in quick succession. The company claims a DxOMark Sensor Score of 85 for its Super RAW mode, which far surpasses any score for a current smartphone."
Photomonkey: Sony's support of PDAF for Third party lenses hints at the potential opening up of camera platforms as a competitive position. I think they have noted the enthusiasm of customers for third party lenses that can be adapted to ML cameras. I see a future where people choose lenses and bodies independent of each other. This in turn would hopefully lead to open software for wifi and Bluetooth for even more functionality in our cameras
@Naveed, I think that will follow if it seems that Sony is getting the sales volume to support their investment. In the film days the support of another mount was fairly easy as the only things to worry about were meter coupling and aperture operation. With AF, IS, and attendant electronics such support gets a lot more expensive. Just ask the Pentax people.
LuckyEight: Sony F.T.W. ...... :)
Way better than: Sony .....WTF?
Sony's support of PDAF for Third party lenses hints at the potential opening up of camera platforms as a competitive position. I think they have noted the enthusiasm of customers for third party lenses that can be adapted to ML cameras. I see a future where people choose lenses and bodies independent of each other. This in turn would hopefully lead to open software for wifi and Bluetooth for even more functionality in our cameras
Lee Jay: There are many root problems with this approach:
- File sizes and the resulting processing time- Video compression and likely no raw mode- Videos are often shot with slow shutter speeds to make for smooth video- Slow video shutter speed often results in motion blur as seen in the first image- Little or no ability to use fill-light- What little fill a video light can provide pales compared to what a flash can do- Can't use a flash to freeze motion- Even 30fps is often too slow to catch the moment. Anticipating a single shot can be more reliable.- Stuck using an EVF
I've taken stills from video before, but the situations in which it is a useful thing to do are extremely rare.
There are a lot of situations where 4K capture works just fine. Yes high shutter speeds may be necessary at times but there are so many candid situations in a wedding where this would be genius. In so many cases the old adage of "f8 and be there" is right on. A boatload of gear and specs doesn't guarantee anything. Presence and wit does.
czajunia: "Sony's engineers judge that their new 1-inch-type stacked CMOS sensor is roughly five years ahead of anything else on the market"
Those engineers sound like they have just been moved to the marketing :))))
Roughly means just that. maybe 56 months maybe 64 months. I think most would agree that the competition has a very long road ahead that may already be obsolete when they get there.
I had an M4 back in the 70s and it was a complete joy. I sold it because I could never pull together the money for additional lenses. The irony was I sold it to. It a Nikkormat with a 35 and an 85 and found my self using only the 35. I went on to enjoy single focal length cameras and earned my MFA with Rolleiex. The idea of this camera is delightful and I fully agree that it has hit the precisely right notes for many peoples style of photography. The silence, precision and beautiful build are what makes it a great tool to transparently make he photos you love.
Anadrol: Am I the only one shocked by the price ? 3200 $ !!!
The A7R cost initially 2300 USD...
Cheaper than Canon and Nikon's competitive offerings when they intro'd a few years back. Today they are still more money than Sony's better bodies.
Whoa, this has all the tricks. Makes Canon look a little sad.
MAGMATCICO62: Greatly overpriced. The Pentax 645D is much much cheaper with the same CMOS sensor
I note that Priorate just announced compatibility with the Pentax-I stand corrected.
From Priolite's website: "At the moment only Canon and Nikon cameras are compatible - including Nikon D810."And considering all the shortsighted whining about flash duration I am surprised no one has complained about these units. I think they are wonderful but overlooked.
Now all they need to do is add a good EVF and software and they really will have something unique.
Karen Casebeer: I was surprised at this statistic: The latest data shows that over 61% of first time ILC buyers are under the age of 35, up from 54% approximately two years ago.
I have heard of several aging professional photographers going mirrorless because they no longer want or are able to carry a heavy gear load. That was the case for myself, who tried to transition to a mirrorless with a Panasonic. Unfortunately, it didn't compare in IQ to my Canon so I sent it back. Perhaps I should have given Sony a try.
I use Canon FF for my commercial work. I use m43 for weddings, events and web work. I do notice a quality difference in the smaller format but it never shows up for the applications I use it. No wedding client has ever commented on anything other than the beauty of the images because they are fixated on content. Other m43 work goes to the web and looks indistinguishable from any other quality file.
As photographers we obsess over ultimate IQ when that actually has scant relevance to the real world. If you are a hobbyist then maybe IQ at 800% is relevant but for most pros it isn't.
BeaverTerror: Mirrorless is the official term now? So instead of choosing a term which describes the camera, they have moronically chosen a term describing what the camera does not have. One day DSLRS will be a nostalgic memory and we will still be stuck with "mirrorless". Same situation as clipless bicycle pedals.
You mean like "fat free"?
Tilted Plane: I admire dpreview overall, but doesn't this seem small potatoes compared to the really interesting new lenses out there (some fast wide zooms, some terrific fast primes, etc.)? I mean, you complain that you don't have the resources to get reviews done faster, but now you have time to check out a f/1.8 50mm? Hmmm. Am I alone on this?
@Bill Bentley. Haha you are so right.
The 645z is a brilliant value but the fact that the LS lenses are (as yet) unavailable for it make it a far less appealing platform for a commercial photographer. I could use the 645z for architecture as I don't need full range flash sync but if I were shooting fashion or projects that needed outdoor sync I would be sunk.
marcio_napoli: DMF is a difficult animal to tame, but when you do, you're rewarded with results that always make you go "wow!!".
I admit I've never shot with a D810 (probably it's much closer to the DMF experience), but when I had my D800, whenever I opened some files, it would always go like this "oh, ok... nice...".
Today I'm shooting with a borrowed P45+. It's not "ok... nice" experience. It's simply a jaw dropping experience every single time I open a file.
Wow factor is off the charts.
I wish every 35mm shooter could experience this, so maybe we would get less of this "overpriced stuff" talk from users that never shot DMF.
Thanks for some comments from people who actually have experience rather than "spec cowboys" who know the measure of everything and the value of nothing.