MAGMATCICO62: Greatly overpriced. The Pentax 645D is much much cheaper with the same CMOS sensor
From Priolite's website: "At the moment only Canon and Nikon cameras are compatible - including Nikon D810."And considering all the shortsighted whining about flash duration I am surprised no one has complained about these units. I think they are wonderful but overlooked.
Now all they need to do is add a good EVF and software and they really will have something unique.
Karen Casebeer: I was surprised at this statistic: The latest data shows that over 61% of first time ILC buyers are under the age of 35, up from 54% approximately two years ago.
I have heard of several aging professional photographers going mirrorless because they no longer want or are able to carry a heavy gear load. That was the case for myself, who tried to transition to a mirrorless with a Panasonic. Unfortunately, it didn't compare in IQ to my Canon so I sent it back. Perhaps I should have given Sony a try.
I use Canon FF for my commercial work. I use m43 for weddings, events and web work. I do notice a quality difference in the smaller format but it never shows up for the applications I use it. No wedding client has ever commented on anything other than the beauty of the images because they are fixated on content. Other m43 work goes to the web and looks indistinguishable from any other quality file.
As photographers we obsess over ultimate IQ when that actually has scant relevance to the real world. If you are a hobbyist then maybe IQ at 800% is relevant but for most pros it isn't.
BeaverTerror: Mirrorless is the official term now? So instead of choosing a term which describes the camera, they have moronically chosen a term describing what the camera does not have. One day DSLRS will be a nostalgic memory and we will still be stuck with "mirrorless". Same situation as clipless bicycle pedals.
You mean like "fat free"?
Tilted Plane: I admire dpreview overall, but doesn't this seem small potatoes compared to the really interesting new lenses out there (some fast wide zooms, some terrific fast primes, etc.)? I mean, you complain that you don't have the resources to get reviews done faster, but now you have time to check out a f/1.8 50mm? Hmmm. Am I alone on this?
@Bill Bentley. Haha you are so right.
The 645z is a brilliant value but the fact that the LS lenses are (as yet) unavailable for it make it a far less appealing platform for a commercial photographer. I could use the 645z for architecture as I don't need full range flash sync but if I were shooting fashion or projects that needed outdoor sync I would be sunk.
marcio_napoli: DMF is a difficult animal to tame, but when you do, you're rewarded with results that always make you go "wow!!".
I admit I've never shot with a D810 (probably it's much closer to the DMF experience), but when I had my D800, whenever I opened some files, it would always go like this "oh, ok... nice...".
Today I'm shooting with a borrowed P45+. It's not "ok... nice" experience. It's simply a jaw dropping experience every single time I open a file.
Wow factor is off the charts.
I wish every 35mm shooter could experience this, so maybe we would get less of this "overpriced stuff" talk from users that never shot DMF.
Thanks for some comments from people who actually have experience rather than "spec cowboys" who know the measure of everything and the value of nothing.
Interesting is nice but won't make much difference to budget constrained photographers.Most important, your cat will still look the same on FB.
fedway: Leica gained a bump in lens sales when Sony introduced the A7 series, and some Fuji owners wanted an economy Leica. Now that Sony, Zeiss and Fuji are filling in the lens lineups of FE and X mounts with excellent lenses, Leica is going to see a dive in sales which will also have repercussions in the second hand market.
Haven't seen it yet. Checked prices on Ebay lately?
Photomonkey: Yes it is expensive. It is a Leica.
It is a testament to the brand that it has lasted these many years. Great brands selling at similar prices have exited the stage over the years. Zeiss, Alpa, Rollei etc. These are legendary brands as is Leica. Arguably, they expired because they did not charge enough to support their expensively produced excellence.
Leica have survived and thrived despite a few near death experiences because the quality is undisputed and their careful moves into digital have broadened the appeal of the line. They have also wisely refused to discount their brand.If you do want to spend less and get a Leica you can, but it won't be an M.
When I owned a Leica M4 everyone could see the difference in the negs produced by it when they hung drying side by side in the darkroom. We even shot the same subjects at the same time with the same film and processed in the same tanks. I had noticed this earlier and THAT'S why I bought a Leica.As for pricing of lenses, I noticed Pentax is not shy about the price of its 645 lenses. I am not critical of that. They are not producing many and they are superb.
Yes it is expensive. It is a Leica.
They call me Hans: I understand that Leica glass is the gold standard but god these price points just hurt my insides...
I guess you haven't been following Leica for very long. ;)
Old Cameras: If it wasn't so outrageously expensive, nobody would buy it.
When I owned an M4 I was always waiting for a raise as the lenses were always a months pay.Whenever I got the raise I noticed Leica had gotten a raise too. ;)
Karroly: If the price of this lens was 5x lower, couldn't Leica sell 100x more and make much more profit ?
Pricing for any business is about maximizing profit for the long term. Discounting this lens to the territory of a mere Otus (humor) would drive off the market seeking the ultimate in lens construction and design. As Howaboutraw notes the scaling up of production would lead to a decline in quality but more importantly add overhead that in the long run would degrade the brand.Years ago, I ran a photo lab with some very skilled workers. I was tempted to expand as the demand for our work was great but the inability to find skilled printers and camera operators meant that we needed to stay small. While we could train them, the skills needed to do the work to our expectations took about two years of experience to acquire. A costly enterprise. Leica face the same problem. Scaling a craft business of hand made product is far more expensive than buying another donut machine.
mpgxsvcd: I really liked the content of the images. However, far too many of them were simply ruined by stopping down too far. That produced motion blur, shutter shock blurring, and low detail images because of diffraction.
The person taking these pictures treated the camera like it was a full frame camera. There was absolutely no reason to stop down that far in several of the images.
No wonder everyone thinks m4/3s can’t be used for action sports. If you shoot with the camera in this manner you definitely will not have a good keeper rate.
Shutter shock had nothing to do with the blurring in these images. A pan will completely eliminate an visible shutter shock by replacing it with motion blur. The set is a good example of real world use of this camera. The very blurry image is one that I would have left out but in truth is closer to what so many get when working with the technique.
Bargain. Pure and simple.No IS means lower price, weight and simpler optical design.
This is what people have been asking for.
MarcMedios: Honestly, I didn't find it that good at all. I think one might be jaded by the sheer amount of photography one sees on a daily basis.
I think you are correct in saying you are probably overwhelmed by the volume you see on a daily basis but her work is solid classical quality.These days , children scorn anything lacking over the top processing or staging. The key here is she delivers solid work to paying clients as opposed to fashion wannabe's cluttering the web.
Thanks for the Q&A. I admire he work and the ability she has to share her photographic career with her daughter.
The gear is real immaterial, she is a person with a great eye and brain.
zsedcft: GoPro will no doubt ruin this company, but at least they got autopano 4 out of the door first. They really nailed it with 4.0. The previous versions did not blend tones anywhere near as well as photoshop, but this version has definitely made them the best stitching software.
Someone really needs to challenge GoPro. They basically sell phone cameras (without a screen) in plastic boxes for $450 + accessories. Apparently all of the people who make the phones were sleeping for the 5 years it took GoPro to become a billion dollar company.
So..... how will they ruin the company? As I see it, Kolor did not have to sell. Rather they could have embarked on the strategy you outline and ruled the world. But they didn't.Apparently everyone but you and your two friends are stupid. We are anxiously awaiting your billion dollar idea.
Mohamed Rizwan: $2500 for this camera where as Gh4, FZ1000, LX100 are available for less price. Canon made this camera for foolish peoples who thinks canon is god. SONY coming with rx10 mark2 and rx100 m4 with 4k. Come on canon stop preparing useless cameras. Learn from panasonic and sony.
The fact that the hobbyists here do not understand the needs of ENG and other video makers is of no interest to Canon. The same trolls derided the prices and specs of the entire Cinema EOS line yet the cameras remain very popular with real professionals. Silly comparisons of paper specs and price ignores usability in the real world and the value thereof.