This is a good move by Ilford. Swan has a great rack record of quality. However one can also get true B&W processing and printing on real B&W paper at Fromex in Long Beach and possibly a few other places.
Just what we need; another metric to debate.
"The VAA on the Nikon is waaaay better than Canon's" or "Unless Canon gets some newer tech on their VAA I am jumping to Sony"
Mssimo: This is a kick in the balls for current owners of this new system.
You can always switch to Sony. They seem to be looking for folks like you.
samhain: If they had added weather sealing to them, they may have enticed current owners to upgrade. I can't see many users upgrading because of a new coating, except for maybe the few diehard pentaxians who have to have the new stuff.
Should've added weather-sealing.
Leica M are not weathersealed either.
kaiser soze: There are two ways to look at it. It is a cheap camera that seems intended to offer showroom appeal to people who aren't very sophisticated in their knowledge of cameras. But it also is a camera thay will produce outstanding image quality, even without consideration of the very low price. Unquestionably, it is a great value for the people to whom it is intended to appeal. It is difficult to guess whether a camera of this sort will sell, but given that it is a great value notwithstanding the many corners that were cut, it deserves to be a very popular model. If it does prove to be a popular camera, it will increase the owner base for E-mount lenses, which will be a very positive thing for all owners of E-mount cameras. This is a very, very smart move by Sony. Compare it to what Canon and especially Nikon have done in mirrorless, and you can't help but sense that Sony has the brightest future in camera manufacturing.
It is a ton of camera for the money. Condescending comments about the target customers being ignorant about cameras is a bit arrogant. Price and feature combinations like this are inflection points in the market much as the Canon AE-1 was in its time. Every generation of enthusiasts have sneered at the new developments in the field only to see them become the standard soon after.
Gurki82: I'm a little in trouble with "nature photography" and HDR (and likes). In the end I allways think, HDR is more something like an artistic work, to show a subject that never really existed like this in nature. "Nature photography" (as I suspect this sample could be) is more about showing, what the world out there (beyond the reach of everyone) is. To share the beauty of our planet we where able to see with others, so we can take care of it.This is some kind of contract a photographer has with its audience, that he doesn't "fool" them with some kind of "cool" foto editing trick into something that never existed like this. Like I'd say, perhabs some nice art but nothing more. Maybe this is the reason, why there are only so less great and real "nature photographers" around.
The efforts of photographers to mimic the scene as perceived by the eye is as old as photography. All the great photographers in our pantheon of photo gods labored enormously in the darkroom to create images that do what Erez's do. The notion that somehow there is some sort of "purity" to the straight photo completely misses the point of the art. As the saying goes " you don't take a photo, you make a photo.
Much stinky snark about today. SO.... everyone feeling better now that they have paraded their photo guru pretensions?Always great to see people reaching for the same old tools of derision to mock a device that have not seen nor used.Bonus for the insights as to what the manufacturer should be doing and how they are mucking it up.Perhaps you could forward a few prototypes of your genius device along with your certificates of rigorous internet forum training.
The internet has proven that there are wizards among us that can divine the quality and utility of a lens from a press release and further infer the future of the industry and the priorities the manufacturers should be embracing.
I am sure the industry gives thanks every day for these voices raised in omniscient guidance lest they be led astray by economics, physics and market forces.
Vadimka: DoF, DoF, its not about DoF, people please stop. Thin DoF was actually the biggest challenge for Kubrick when using this lens.
The reason he used his f0.7 lens was to be able to film a candle light scene without using any other light source. But that said, I still think this is not very practical today.
Kubrick shot that scene with F/0.7 using ISO-200 on Mitchell camera if I remember correctly. So today we can simply use excellent ISO-1600 or ISO-3200 on ARRI or SONY or RED etc... and easily shot that same scene with F/2.0 (and don't have to worry that much about thin DoF)
Light gathering ability was ALL we worried about when shooting available light in the 60's and 70's. Thin DOF is a fashion of the last couple of years that some believe confers quality on their photo turds.
yabokkie: this is an "old era" lens compared with the new 18-35/1.8 and I'm looking forward to seeing a little brother of 18-35/1.8 (smaller, darker, with wider zoom range). I'm thinking about 15-55/1.8-2.8 (APS-C version of 24-85/2.8-4, a popular lens for film SLRs)
This just what you asked for.... slightly slower with a wider range. They do note that it is a new optical formula (necessary for OS) and is slightly lighter and smaller than the older lens.
A great achievement that will truly set the cat among the pigeons in higher end video. The biggest barrier to entry is the post processing workflow for the neophyte.
Lusted after the Nikon. Know all of the list but knew enough not to buy a disk camera. My first camera pre-dated flashcubes so I went straight from available light to electronic flash.
Richard Ettinger: nice design. would love it if it were APS-C. MFT not so much.
@retro76, It is a matter of opinion of course, but I do stand by my position is that shallow DOF is over-hyped of late as it was only an infrequently referenced characteristic of fast lenses in the days of film. When shooting 4x5 and larger we struggled to get enough DOF not less. You may note that up to the last 24 months the vast majority of images did not resort to the device of wide open shooting. And apart from my above referenced uses is still over used in portraiture. It is a matter or taste which in this case is current fashion. Which will pass as all fashions do.
Peiasdf: Where do you rest your thumb? Also, 17.5mm eyepoint is pretty bad. NEX-7 have 23mm and people already have problem using it.
I am certain your extensive perusal of specs trumps real world experience.I am still waiting for the site that publishes only spec pages so we can "objectively" heap praise or scorn on the latest products.
In addition, I do own a 5Dmk3 and a selection of the older 12MP MFT Olys and I can say that the IQ does not fall far short of the Canon. Moreover, I do portraiture in addition to architechture and I have no problem in achieving a shallow DOF in a portrait if needed. The inability of people to use their gear is a poor excuse to to buy new gear in the hopes that it will magically transform their poor techniques by overlaying a shallow DOF on a picture not worth taking.
Even at FF the only meaningful difference today is DOF, a profoundly over-hyped aspect of photography that applies to a frantically small segment of photographs comprised largely of "look how cool this bokeh is" photos of desktops, leaves on trees and the like.The fact is that MFT has IQ that equals APS-C and FF in pretty much all aspects of real photography (prints-even billboards, web, and publication). Where it falls short is in the pixel peeping at 1600% that seems to be the province of people that were never really thinking about taking photos in the first place.
Not too late considering few are in the hands of the public. Now the wait lists will be longer.
Photomonkey: Sure is satisfying to see such spirited discussions about art. Thought no one cared. ;)
@chj, I noticed there was a lot of reference to the art and its quality or lack thereof. As for the money, you now know what makes the big bucks.
Lots of sanctimony here. Unwarranted IMO, as Fuji has demonstrated a largely uncompromising approach to the design and construction of its lens line.
The intro of slower zooms allows them to deliver more compact lenses while still delivering quality that exceeds the competition both in IQ and construction. Moreover they deliver them at a good price. Thus delivering the holy grail of hobbyists: price and quality.
For you whiners, we await your independent designs of f2.8 zooms built with anything other than fantasy.
Sure is satisfying to see such spirited discussions about art. Thought no one cared. ;)