Jogger: Its a bit weird to call this a "general-purpose zoom" esp. for FF users. I use my FF for specific tasks and use appropriate lenses for each task. Using a general purpose lens means you get less than optimal results and performance for whatever you are shooting.
For "general purpose" photography i just use my RX100/10 combo.
So carrying two cameras is more convenient than one?
stupidisanart: Anyone else have an issue with fuji with reliability?
I found their compacts to be very reliable and provided great images to boot. The real problem was finding dealers.
Richt2000: Surely the A7R is the remaining (and real) gear of the year.... ?
I have FF cameras. They ain't all that...
Picturenaut: We still have 3 vintage Nikon FM-2's in service, and one was used recently at -40 °C in Siberia, because it doesn't fail in frost... The more I think about this Df thing the less I like it. It is simply fake , like a pseudo cuckoo clock with an electronic clockwork. Hipsters, of course, will love it like wearing fake glasses. I mean, this Df thing has AF! And there's no film winder. So you never experience the way of shooting you had with such a full mechanical SLR. I don't think that the old days of film shooting were better, no, but a digital camera should be made looking into the future, not the past.
Plus, I don't think that Nikon today is able to meet the quality of the old FM series anymore. Our D300 died before reaching 90.000 shutter actuations (repair would be too expensive), and it falls literally into pieces after only 4-5 yrs use in rough environment. Our oldest FM-2 is more than 20 yrs old and still perfect.
I think we have to realize that to sustain sales volumes needed in today's electronics, they have to be cheaply made and stylish. While I think Nikon Canon et al. still aim for the highest quality, there are real compromises in lifespan with an all electronic platform.
chooflaki: I have been using the DF for two days now. Great IQ and state of the art manual focus. Does eveything else it should do. I didn't know ugly could be so beautiful. Looks like I will be becoming a hipster.
Before AF we had VFs optimized for fast MF. Now they are optimized for brightness. I have not seen the Df but if they had a VF similar to an F3 it would be great MF tool.
Marcelobtp: Well, in good light D800 and A7r as D610 and A7 are pretty simillar. The Sonys jpegs are much punchier, i think they are better, with more detail without halos, very good improvement with the engine. I see Nikons doing better with the reds, I guess sony is over saturating it. At low light i' cant say if it is about white balance but the Sony one seems to be much more oranges, maybe color shift, this is very evident on skin tones. The raw files i guess is about the same, but seems that D800 is orange too now, much more than Sonys, D610 is better, very interesting, because this probably the problem that D610 firmware was correcting.About noise and moire the noise is about equal on both the diference is about sharpening color saturation and contrast, they just make noise more visible on Sonys. My conclusion is: Sony now is doing an overall better job than Nikon on this comparison.
So what we are saying is that the IQ differences are actually quite small and the real reason to choose the Sony would be its form factor and the ability to use adapted lenses AND the promise of lenses to come.
ThePhilips: Wow. I'm talking about the price: wow.
At that price, instead of taking photographs, it's cheaper to invite the models personally.
While the price is high, it is not the only lens at that price around. Leica has two current lenses at that and higher prices. Exotic Canon f1.0 sells for more as an old used lens with far less performance at any any aperture that the Otus wide open.
What it is, is the first lens designed to mount on Canon and Nikon bodies that is modern and takes no prisoners in the IQ department.
Julian: A shame its only open to "professional photographers".
While there are a zillion accomplished amateurs, this requirement limits the total submissions and prevents the inevitable avalanche of Instagrammed cats.
Fotohein: Im am mainly shooting portraits in Studio and I am using an Oly E-3 DLRS. I am considering moving up to a full frame DLRS to improve image quality. What I would like to see is a comparison of quality between E3 and E M-1 to be able to make the decision of going for the E M-1, which would allow me to retain my 4/3 lenses and save a lot of money or go full frame DLRS.
Portraits are not very challenging in terms of resolution. I started with a Canon 10D at 6MP and never had an issue with resolution even up to 40x60 inch prints.
I still display 30x40 inch prints in my studio made with an 8MP 1DmkII even though I now use the 5DmkIII. You have all the resolution you need with EM-1 and have a ton of great lenses to boot.I am actually getting a m43 kit for weddings and events where discretion and low weight are important. My Daughter's Oly EP-L2 convinced me that the quality was there.
thejohnnerparty: I am a big Nikon fan, but this makes no sense to me. I'm in my 70s and I can appreciate nostalgia, but quite frankly I'd rather see improvements on the D610 - better AF, like 51 point across the entire frame, faster processor, bigger buffer for more continuous shooting, aperture control in live view, live histogram, perhaps better metering, peeking for manual focus and maybe better video - for slow motion. ..... How many MILLIONs of D610s would they sell? Hello Nikon! Are you listening?
Snooked is right. Everybody seems to whine about under specified cameras ( In THEIR opinion) and then talks about how much they would sell if they basically sold their top-of-the-line model for a nickel.
Business doesn't work that way despite what you think.
cboulakia: I like it. I've been waiting for something like this for a long time. Finally, a camera with the features a photographer wants, rather than the features an engineer wants. 5.5 fps are more than enough. So are 39 AF sensors. So are 16 megapixels. I don't need video. I'm sick of insanely solid, insanely huge, insanely heavy cameras with completely programmable control dials where I forget how I programmed it between the times I pick it up. The things I've always wanted in a digital camera: 1) fantastic image quality (check). 2) great low light performance (check). 3) dedicated ISO dial (check). 4) Dedicated aperture and shutter speed dials (check). 5) Dedicated depth of field preview and bracketing buttons (check). 6) Light weight and small (check, I guess). 7) Quiet shutter (check). 8) long battery life (check). 9) Ability to use some of my legacy lenses (like my 55 1.0 which I love) (check). OK, I won't be able to use my contax lenses, but I can live with that.
Shark is pointing out the irony of the comments posted here. He is laughing at the foolishness of the comments.
There, now I have explained the joke.
It looks like they will probably sell a bunch. Just not to the readers of DPR.
marike6: So more or less as well reviewed as the D7100 or EM-1 mainly due to an emphasis on LiveView AF and the new Dual Pixel AF module relevant mainly for video and LiveView with the 2 STM lenses.
No weather sealing, no 100% Pentaprism VF or dual SD cards. And most puzzling is how easily IQ differences vs a class leading camera like the D7100 can be explained away or marginalized with phrases like "in most situations" or "for the majority of users", "the difference in IQ are slight". Really? Most enthusiast users of this class of camera shoot RAW and edit in LR where the latitude of files or RAW headroom are extremely important.
Don't get me wrong, the 70D is a nice camera and Canon is a great system, but when all the cameras get Gold Awards with similar scores in spite of some key differences, it makes these reviews less specific, less useful for researching cameras than they could be.
So, everybody is unimpressed by where we are today in cameras. It must drive the manufacturers nuts trying to make the "average DPR user" happy. The fact that they don't come out with over the top new designs on a monthly basis seems to be cause for great outrage. I foresee a lot of unhappiness in the DPR user world as some wait for perfection( as they see it ) to arrive.
AbrasiveReducer: I'm sure this is an excellent camera but it doesn't seem to really excel in anything except maybe AF. That's fine, but if this gets the gold, what would a real breakthrough camera get? (This is not a "fan" issue; I own Elphs, Rebels, G1X, EOS-M and 5D3.)
Even if it produces results nearly identical to the D7100--and I'm sure it does, to everyone except Nikon fans--that just means both are above average.
What it really means is that by objective standards it is an excellent camera. The fact that most are bored with it says more about us than it says about the camera.
For all the big talk about how indifferent the photos are I am quite sure that they far exceed the quality of the average photo that will be taken by these cameras.The closest so many of you will get to these cameras is to put your fingerprints on one at a camera store and go home to your Casio P&S.
Photomonkey: 1788 comments in 24 hours! Must be a record.
1788 comments in 24 hours! Must be a record.
mas54: I think dpr and all other review sites should refuse to review any more cameras that don't have optical viewfinders. Just consider them non entities. Maybe the camera companies will get the hint.
They will stop making them when you stop buying them.
Mr Fartleberry: Homage to Noct? What marketing pig hooey. Maybe if it was 1.2 or 1.0. It's a 1.4 lense, nothing to see here.
But they sure are hooked on grabbing two thousand dollars for mid-range primes now. The Vampire is back as Hogan would say.
What? Someone complaining about price on DPR? What has happened?