vscd: Let's see what happens after Canon comes up with a new sensor with equal or better dynamic range than Sony. You will see there is nothing left for Sony to be proud of ;)
[...]Sony's ergonomics vary all over the map. They usually throw way too much garbage in our faces, designing their cameras for people who talk about photography more than actually do it.[...] Ken Rockwell, yesterday ;)
lets also see what happens when pigs start flying .
who cares...this is the same situation it has been for ever since late 2008 ish .
Canon just put out one sensor after the other ,barely improving them , especially regarding two very important PP aspects..color richness and DR .
every non fan boy consumer hopes they will step up and present a competition that will only do us , the consumer ,good.but they did not thus far and are not showing any signs of it .
so keep on pining and hating and imagining new sensors..."the rest of us will keep enjoying all this new richness , and relish in the fact that some manufactures actually listen the what people want them to make.
Sdaniella: the fastest throughput from large sensor Sony/Nikon is from Sony's APS-C SLT-A77/II series is (24/25mp x 12fps = ) 288/300 mp/s
the latest FF Nikon D810/A series is only (36/37mp x 5fps = ) 180/185 mp/sunderlapping Nikon D4s (16/17mp x 11fps = ) 176/187 mp/s(given it would be expected shorter/smaller sensor circuitry distances&areas translate into faster rates)
it is odd that Sony would cap its FF 12mp A7s at a very low 5fps ... except it may be unintentional due to NR limitations for its lowest light highest ISO emphasis
it's nice to see a slight jump for Sony FF speeds even if still far behind their APS-C speedsthis new FF Sony A7R II is still only (42/43mp x 5fps = ) 210/215 mp/s
meanwhile:Samsung's APS-C NX-1 throughput speeds remains a mind-boggling lead at (28/31mp x 15fps = ) 420/465 mp/s
Canon's latest FF 5DS/R series throughput speeds are leading at (51/53mp x 5fps = ) 255/265 mp/s
what might Canon fit in its new Cine 5D Mk IV? Max 8fps x 32/33mp? (256/264 mp/s)
i agree ...they have gone all those extra miles to create such a camera only to fail on that last mile with an ability they already posses the know how to ?
if that camera would have 10-12fps it would be truly perfect as one pro camera who does it all .
4.7 with 2600 battery ..so so 2012 :)
dash2k8: I don't understand the hate for this thing. Scrolling through the comments, the majority of comments have condemned this as a tool that props egos and fuels self-esteem. Never have I seen the word "narcissist" appear so many times in one place. If you don't like this, get a Phantom and your problems are solved.
that's cause most people are just unimaginative herd.
its a perfect tool for a family's trip capture the moment kind of thing. and of course a very very cool and finally handy toy .
for people who likes extreme sport obviously and architects who want to get a feel of the place.
it costs less than paying a chopper flight to take photos of an area.
i wants it !!!
i have no idea what to do with other than put it on my cat ..but i want it !!! :P
i think this one here wins "single handedly" the prize for the most pathetic gadget in in 2015
you know..the sensor is tiny ..but you gotta to ask .how is it they can stick so many helping aids like the extra IBIS and laser pointer and quick shot features in a compact smartphones and yet all the camera makers barely agree to give us that in an almost 1000$ camera line .
just makes me angry off to see how much they take from us on purpose
i would like for that sum to at least get a 10fps camera ..whats so hard about doing that ?
can you also post the pre processed images of the sunset shots ?
such a beautiful sunset shot and its the only one you cant get access to the original one
i really hope the companies break that fps and buffer depth barrier and start selling us a 10fps camera with AF of course as standard .
i think showing us an edited photo stream is kinda cheating.
we all ( or most of us) know the power of a good PP .
the point is to see though the base line photo ..what is the raw material you work with .
i hope this PP photo stream thingy wont become a regular here
lacikuss: I like the DR of this camera and the overall package, however this camera is advertised in the video as excellent for action/sports?
I can't see how can you test the AF speed with a subject at 200 meters barely moving across the frame with a APS-C sensor. At that distance with a 300mm focal length at f/5.6 you have a total dof of 182.9m, starting from 144m and ending at 327m. So even a MANUAL FOCUS LENS would do.
If the subject was at 50m then the dof would be 10m, I guess MANUAL FOCUS would do that too...
So, is this the best DPR can test and vouch for the AF of a camera?
BTW the subject is perfectly isolated from the water in it dark suit.
"those who dont know how to use a camera"
can your answer be any more arrogant ?
GM was saved by Obama ..it was also no allowed to make "shorts" on their stocks for months...still has not prevented them from producing buggy cars that killed people (just loving the gm comparison more and more here )
no one will help canon if they stop innovate for too long .
"loved" your argument about DR ,shows great maturity
yea ..ill also keep my eyes for those big GM trucks they thought always would sell ..until they reached bankruptcy .
and while you ponder the sarcasm in that reply keep in mind that canon camera has less dynamic range today than a 2009 Sony camera ..eons in terms of technological development .
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Canon EOS7D Mark ii vs Sony a6000 Side-by-Side Shootoutby 2x pro photographers .
look it up on youtube..says it all ..and not in favor of the 7D
you can google it on youtube ...a6000 having at it vs a cannon 7d II and decimating it on AF test . ill even find that link for you "Canon EOS7D Mark ii vs Sony a6000 Side-by-Side Shootout"
lacikuss: For those of you talking about Megapixels wars, let me tell you that this is not a war, but an occurrence predicted by Moore's Law and to a certain extent it is inevitable so far. Camera technology is only catching up, thanks to Sony BTW.
Additionally, sensor-pixel technology is already capable of the following:
If in a m43 sensor Pana is capable of jamming 16MP in 225mm2 then a FF sensor with 864 mm2 can jam 61 MP of the same quality. Now when was the first 16MP m43 that came about?
if in a 1" Sensor Sony is capable of 20MP then FF could have 149 MP of the same quality pixels
If Samsung is capable of 28MP APSC sensor then FF could have 65 MP of the same quality pixels.
So, actually FF 50 MP is well behind because mechanical and cost considerations but technology will catch up on those front too as Moore predicted.
So NO Megapixel wars at all. Be prepared to see the 150MP FF camera with a DR equal of the RX 100 III in perhaps 5-10 years?
BTW I'm not saying that 150MP is great
Moore's law is not really a law but observation ..also related to computers and also is very wrong at times ( chinese cpu tripled in processing power between 2012 to 2013 for instance ) .
as for MP ..when it comes together with other improvements no one will complain . but when the other aspects as DR remains in 2008 !!! ..and when a person taking shots like that will 99% of the time use a PP software for them that badly needs that DR and color richness . then yea ..people are upset..that Moore's law or not . there has not been any real advancement in that aspect from Cannon for over 5 years.
Zoron: Canon is not fighting the sensor war. If u can't take a good picture then, u can't now, Sony sensor is not going to help u get better pictures either.
you should use your google skills then and look for two pro photographers having at it at a ski resort fps match A6000 vs 7dII ...after seeing the canon fail over and over again come back here and tell us how there are areas where cannon comes out better ..i must add a LOL now :P
rinkos: the difference in sensor size between the 1inch and the 4/3 is smaller than the difference between the 4/3 and the APS-C sensor .
thats a quick response to all those who proclaim 4/3 is just as good ..so 1 inch is just as good as a 4/3 .
why am i bringing this up ? ..cause why do i need to pay 1000$ for this . when i can get a 1inch fz1000 with 4k and a fullrange lens ?
when you answer that question you also answer why there is no real justification for the 4/3 format of the mirrorless APS-C line , like from sony , that also cost about 70-60% of this camera's price
i can also get an A6000 ..a much smaller selection for 60% of the price plus a kit lens .and unlike the m43 and A6000 just beaten the 7D II in a fast frame focusing shootout . if im going for tiny that is .
as for lens selection ..cant argue there . however due to focus peeking ( if you ever tried it on a shop ) i can make due with a huge amount of Manual lenses.
the Fz1000 must also have not been touched by you as it is a small camera with good shots . in fact ..lens to sensor size ratio the 1inch is picking up more and more ground on the m43 due to it being able to carry a very big lens while providing a small enough size and maintain a close enough quality to the m43 .
if you just laughed now about me comparing a puny 1 inch sensor to the m43..imagine how we on the APS-C category laugh when the m43 "dare" compare their "tiny" sensor to ours .
so please..stop the fanboyism . for much lower i can get a "tiny " A6000 .which has far better focus system and quality .
the difference in sensor size between the 1inch and the 4/3 is smaller than the difference between the 4/3 and the APS-C sensor .
panpen: Only a week ago I got a Full frame Sony A7 from B&H for $1298 minus $255 rebate, for a total of $1033. I'd rather have FF sensor than IBIS
there is no such word as affordable when you talk about FF cameras ..unless you are talking about older minolta ( still great ) lenses .
as for the poster..he is right...and you are missing the point . why on earth should i pay above 1000$ when at that price level there are far superior sensor cameras.