sknippen: Every brand has it's pro's and con's. What matters is how you deal with the pro's and con's. I bought a sony system a few years ago and i love my camera, other people love their Canon, Nikon, Pentax, fuji, etc...DXO measurments give an indication of the sensor performance, but at the end it is the picture what counts. One can take horrible pictures with a 5000 dollar system and the other can take fantastic pictures with a phone camera...
xval ..please stop making up "facts" ..its been a nice tradition for ny camera brand that dont get high scores in DXO to try and throw some dirt on their numbers , yet somehow boast when the numbers support your own suddenly .
numbers and figures are one thing that helps a lot and the person behind the lens are another .
cannon has been lagging behind and will pay for that eventually .
when i moved from panasonic to Sony's camp in 2010 it was after seeing there is not gonna be what a lot of bridgecamera users were begging for ...a bigger sensor bridge camera .
i love my SLR's ..but even a little nex camera and a 4/3 requires that pesky lens change /carry . dealing with sensor noise and what not . all things get in the way of capturing that moment.
i think this fz1000 is the first step towards a complete camera in my mind and with sensor and processor tech advancement the 1inch category at least in iso terms surpassed some of the lower end SLR's ..or older models . i need to see some numbers on DR and colorrichness but for pure ISO this 1inch cam gives a better result than my A580.
so great job . and hope to see more cameras of this type around
Boss of Sony: Tried it in the shop. Definitely feels nice in the hand. Pity about the 4/3 sensor.
LOL ..what you said basically its like me saying that two guys making 1% profit on investment have done the same profit..forgetting that tiny detail about what was their initial investment . ..so 1% on 100$ is a bit different than 1% on 1million . as for camera..i owned the gh2 ..i dumped the gh2 . i dont need a hacked video camera just for bragging rights..i need a good system with good lenses and good response time , and good iso ,not to mention i edit a lot .
the m43 will die out cause of couple of reasons . 1.1 inch sensor is much more cost effective and still allowes for fixed lenses.2.currently most mirrorless line with a bigger sensor costs less and give more..so no brain needed about this.
feel free to spend your money as you wish ..i care not ..but at least you can answer with valid facts and not childish answers...if you cant you can go back to school .
and this ..your failure to use proper brain processes is the reason why people like you over pay for something like this .
thank you ..you guys do make the world go round . cause of suckers like you we pay much less .
so ..when its bigger than the 1 inch size ..you lean on the size as an aspect..but not regarding the APS being bigger than it ??
faster processing ???? invent much ?
IQ ..the 4/3 is closer in size to the the 1 inch than it is to the APS ..and no ..the IQ is not the same..in fact....from what i have seen if any i would prefer the superb fz1000 1 inch solution over this 1700$ ( a7s price ) camera.
as for ISO ..you can always go to DXO to see all about iso and DR and color richness..you know..that stuff that matters to people who actually use these level of cameras and actually edit their photos .
4/3 is a doomed effort ..and them leaning on a video feature to sell a still camera only proves it .
i dont need to pay 1700$ on top of pricey little amount of lenses when i can get the fz1000 instead..
and if i want more i can get the A6000 for a 1/3 of that price with about double the iso ability , fps ..and what not.
oh sorry .it wont have 4k ..who cares..if i want it then A7s
sorry ..i find the colors dull . as if they were washed a bit.quality is good, but the color richness reminds me a compact camera .
as for the other camera aspects..people have already named the flaws they found .
rinkos: quoted :"Canon really believes their sensors are “currently the best on the market“! They are really living on another planet"
DXO MARK SCORES ..the A7R scorring a whopping 95 points !! while the mark III only 81 . about 30% more Dynamic range which is essential to those who buy those cameras and actually EDIT .
what a joke Canon has become ..and all because they wanted to maintain that "stupid" ranking system for so long so they can maximize profit .
i prefer every camera manufacture to fight another one to the death ..thus making us better cheaper cams so i hope canon will wake up and finish their stoneage which has lasted almost 10 years now
Thys i care little about ego or any brand . i bought a Sony after my panasonic cause i saw a potential that gladly justified itself . since 2008 Nikon which was doing what Canon is changed its ways ..well sorta and is back in the game while canon is still stuck there.i very much hope canon will be back and fight as equal as it is like i said..THE MORE THEY FIGHT WE WIN ...they dont . more over . they are misleading themselves and their consumers and that is a short ticket to bankruptcy .
what i do care for is results..pure and simple and versatility . i care for innovation and not some stupid ranking system . i appreciate it when a company has no issue putting it camera after camera even though some of the cheaper ones trash the pricey ones from 6 months ago .
and given all that . non of us care what is good enough for you . all we care is what is best and whats keep getting better with every iteration . and when you drop 10k on glass you care very much about stuff like that.
im all for them but seriously
check out the sj4000 ..and no its not a chinese crap and there are a lot of comparison videos on youtube about this great camera .
costs 1/4 of the price of go pro
thys...thats the spirit...if the facts dont fit the theory ..CHANGE THE FACTS..
here are some facts....DR is at its highest at iso 50 and drops down the higher iso you go to. so i dont really get that notion of high iso low DR . ...low light shots are used in ..well ..low light . usually you need less DR in night scenes and just over all less noise.
as for dxo . you can sit with the rest of canon and pout about a benchmark everyone use and accept as valid . or hope canon will pick up the slack .
last i checked its the new sony's bodies with the 5 axis OS ..or the built in OS to begin with . and their cameras keep getting gold and silver marks all over the place regarding AF and FPS .
you can also carry that beast of yours as much as you want..but do so knowing that that huge camera of yours is outgunned in almost every aspect by a tiny 800$ a6000. well .it is out gunned by almost all company's new models since they all actually make technological advancements once in a while.
quoted :"Canon really believes their sensors are “currently the best on the market“! They are really living on another planet"
samfan: How can people use these monsters without viewfinders?
as one living in a sunny land i need an EVF most of the day . also it helps you decide better the type of color composition and parameters .
Stevewb: Had the NEX 6.....loved it, the viewfinder/flash etc built in.....but the attrocious nasty menu layout bummed me....went back to my NEX5T...same crappy menu...BUT the touch-screen is a awesome feature I love....Now when the A6000 gets the touch screen...count me in....till then my lil 5t is just fine...
i agree..i was on the same bout as you for the A6000 .
i wish for 2 things..1.that the A6000 would also have had that touch screen 2.the new 50mbit codec on the a6000 as well
marcpol: No IR Remote??? Can't believe. Anyway i am waiting for a nex-5 successor as i would also like to have mic port.
and yet..NORMAL people that will get that kind of cam would not bother buy or carry a IR remote..but they will always have a smartphone at hand .
common..this is not for the high end area ..we are talking about one of the most affordable APS-C cameras on the market .
km25: The lens is too slow, no EVF ( not even opinion ). No 4k. Yeasterdays camera, for the world of tomorrow.
and yet sony's numbers show those do sell .. and a lot more than the more expensive cameras. more over this price is absurd at 1/3 the price of a 4/3 gh4 .
world of tomorrow you want ..than by all means pay premium of close to 2000$ for it
M0P03: I want Sony to make this camera and A6000 without slow and bulky interchangeble lens. Fixed 24-100/2-4 same size would be much useful.
its not almost APS-c..not even close . its a third of the sensor size . you just cant make lenses smaller currently for a given sensor .
Mr Graphic: No EVF! I need this for serious, creative photograpy, especially in direct sun light. Why do people buy cameras that have only an LCD?!I have a Sony RX-10 for serious work, and a wonderful little RX-100 (original) for backup and a handy camera to carry around, but find it too difficult to get full use out of it since it has no EVF. And the newer RX-100 Mk2 is too expensive.
cause its suppose to be a compact camera ...some stuff you just cant fit inside . for EVF just get the a6000 .
R Vaquero: Copying Apple as usual...
lol they and everyone else surpassed Apple in 2012 already ...join the world maybe ?
i dont like samsung btw ...but HTC..LG . nexus..half the price of a crap apple iphone and much more on the inside ..not to mention nice screen instead of the apple tiny hands one
DBK The Camera Guy: For photography, I'd go with my D800 right now, no question about it. For video..... it's the GH4, which for me is hard to say because until this camera and it's 4K, I was a dedicated video camera shooter. I have 3 new cameras this summer. The GH4, the Panasonic FZ1000 and the Sony AX100. I even shot for a few months with the Black Magic 4K camera. 4K is superior even if you are going to finish in HD, or even SD. I can shoot multi camera with just one camera and choose from 4 different images in HD.
The Sony Alpha 7S doesn't excite me.
If you want to see a good comparison, check out this video on youtube.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-2ZedzLeZs
Even at under $900, the FZ1000 has amazing quality for so little a price.
thats the thing..if you are so into 4k then get the fz1000 which is in my opinion the best bridge camera right now .and panasonic has been doing overall superb job with the bridge camera line..but as a camera the Gh line is very dissapointing..the olympus are better at it . so if its down to a hacked version just get a gh2 ..there is no need to pay 1700$ for a body only just for the 4k
just by going to the studio test shots and seeing it on 100 iso is appalling from the GH side..there is no sharpness to speak of and massive lose of details . especially when compared with the A7s.
what good is a 10 bit data rate when you cant recreate stuff that is not captured in the first place ?
not a good comparison .
either way ..in 2 -3 years it will all be relevant and by then 4k will be mainstream most likely so no reason to break your saving account for this .