tom10k: I'm undecided on this Olympus OM-D E-10 Mark ii and the Panasonic Lumix LX100. I know there's the obvious fact that the Olympus can have interchangeable lenses. I would use the 14-42mm lense. Any thoughts?
Biggest gripe with LX100 is it not having a touch LCD.There's some kind of "SCP" (recording information menu) but you have to change the items with the controller again.In this day and age not having a touch LCD is unforgivable imo.
Jefftan: 210 gram is too heavy for a MFT slow lens$500 is too expensive, fair price is at most $300
@Papillon_65 Well not by me, I talk about what is now the best "cheap" kit lens. The 12-60mm isn't even available yet.The best overall kit lens is the 12-40mm as explained above.
The 12-32mm is THE Best "cheap" kit zoom lens for m43 optically.The 14-45 isn't as sharp as the latest kit lenses from Panasonic.But I think there's more to optically best alone.The 12-50mm Olympus is not the sharpest but pretty sharp and has very nice features that are very underrated, in fact if the 12-50mm had OIS than this would def be the best kit zoom.The 12-50mm does great macro has additional function button, it is INTERNAL ZOOM AND AF and is weathersealed, has mechanical and electronic zoom possibility et.etc.I think it is a tremendous plus if a zoom lens has internal zoom so people don't notice you're zooming in on them, a priceless feature IMO.
deep7: Thanks for the review. However, I am stumped as to why you'd consider this a prime-lens-only camera? Personally, I find this style better with a long lens than the faux SLR style of my EM1 as it's easier to balance with the viewfinder in the corner. Even when I used my EP1 (no usable viewfinder) with 4/3 lenses, such as the 50-200 zoom, I found the shape very easy to manage.
The whole issue of balance is just that, balance. Hold the camera in a balanced way, left hand taking the weight and right hand driving the main controls. If I don't have to hold the body away from my big hooter, it's just going to be easier!
I guess it's a subjective thing but saying "prime only" is a bit extreme!
TCSTV got a preproduction sample. They explained themselves.
PKDanny: This lens should be kits. Go down $200.
@ PKDanny. And you are serious obviously. MG what a wannabees in this forum, it's hilarious.
Steve Photographer: Always nice to hear of MFT lens additions. But what I really need from panasonic is a fast aperture, wide prime that is image stabilised. 12mm or 10.5mm would be great. Image stabilisation in this type of lens would not only allow handheld stills in lower light (or lower ISO), while also permitting indoor video on the hoof - without the faf of a rig. Of course IBIS is the holy grail but this isn't available in Panasonic cameras yet, at least for 4K shooting.
Yes it is in the GX8 4K AND 5axis ibis!!!The fast 12 is the Oly 12mm F2.0.
Saurat: Looks like a great camera at a fantastic price. I was considering buying a Canon 6D, but this has it beat in every way, and as a landscape photographer the pixel-shift feature is, as they say, "a game-changer". Well done Pentax.
@KonstantinosK maybe not 35mm but the other FF's do! Hasselblad and Olympus!!!
Eugene232: Ricoh /Pentax, happy New Year 2006!but in our 2016 already invented mirrorless cameras..
@MadHamster you're clearly ignorant. There is Olympus before and after those K's. You've been measured weighed and were found wanting.
pixel shift not a really new feature, other camera's already have it.
GCHYBA: To me there are 2 kinds of camera, one that fits in a pocket, and one that doesn't.If it doesn't, I'd still prefer an SLR for the better grip, and a real viewfinder. Just an opinion.
@GCHYBAWell probably you're not as pro as you would want us to believe.I haven't seen or heard any of my colleagues get those questions.The customers don't come to me because they see I use "big tools", but they come because they have seen the result!!!And want that result too.
ekaton: Had they gone for the niche, the same body with a f2, 40mm equivalent lens, it could be tempting. But trying to go after the mighty Ricoh GR is a recipe for failure.
I would say it's perfectly comparable, The X70 has not so much over the GM5.One killer feature is LCD/touch focus using your thumb while focussing.IQ wise the GM5 has a lot to offer, and I doubt the output differs terribly much on print anyway, which is where it counts!
Edit:Another great feature on the small GM5 is in camera curve correction (highlight shadows) but then again you need to use the camera to be able to judge it.
Poweruser: Silly behemoth.
@Prestidigitator and HFLM:If you would have investigated a little you would have learned I use the darned things professionally, noobs!I know the LCD's consume less power but 2 displays showing the same info (exp.) is a little bit daft. Why would it be interresting to show the file path when the thing is in sleep, daft again. You set the file path and then don't give it a second look untill you shoot the next gig/subject.You even shoot with these like I do/did, I think not.
Like I also don't get why the still use the silly small LCD display on the bottom back. Easily implemented on mainscreen something like the super contole panel of olympus but then extended with choise of folder etc. I haven't understood why it's essential to see the number of exposures and file folder permanently on the machine. IMO totally useless. If you can check it at the LCD panel it's enough.The top panel already has info about nr of exposures etc, so a waist imo.Al the dials and joysticks right of the LCD are superfluous anyway.Yeah in a few years these will be dinosaurs holding you back.
Exactly, I hated using them. Much better if the grip is detachable also on so called Pro camera. The silly dial on the back (for colour profiles selection in menu's etc) is a dinosaur as wel. It seems clever but it's really not. Being able to select the focus point on the LCD with your thumb and manual track it (Panasonic and Olympus OM10II) is much more useful than the stupid joysticks.I understand why Pro level camera's are designed the same, but I think it's time they innovated a little more at Nikon and Canon.The good things from consumer level camera's need to be implemented in these dinosaurs!Today it seems like the worlds upside down, there's more innovation on consumer level then in Pro level camera's,
PhotoKhan: I can't understand how these fidgety, tiny AF point selections joysticks keep flying with pros.
I know AF point selection may alternatively be controlled with the quick dial but why does Canon keep including a dedicated control that is so difficult to...well...control.
I wonder how many more 1D/5D interactions we must have before it is finally realized that a track-ball with a "click-in-to-select" is the obvious way to go.
(Eye-tracking, of course, would be better still but I am not holding my breath over it.)
Eye tracking was already available mid nineties EOS 5 etc camera's, it's at least 20year old tech.It 's beyond me they haven't implemented in digital.Maybe to claim it as a new feature ;-)The thumb touch on screen focus point selection of Panasonic and Olympus camera's would be helpfull as well, even better than those stupid joystics.
Edit.But then again the LCD is too far to the left to be able to reach it and do the latter. The left hand is really needed to cradle and support the lenses.
CraigArnold: Image Quality looks...
Fine. Perfectly decent. Roughly on par with older FF cameras and current APS-C. Good enough for me.
So why would you buy one? Well obviously if you like the experience of shooting with that camera.
X-trans rendering is just a bit different, sometimes better, sometimes worse. Adobe is fine and usually good enough, C1 better. Certainly the files need a different treatment from Bayer in ACR, using the sliders on Bayer autopilot seems to be a recipe for artifacts, but if you're willing to adjust first your brain, then the sliders, the results are pretty good most of the time.
Apart from the fact that EVERY SINGLE CAMERA that gets discussed on DRReview is too expensive for a bunch of people who then get really angry or scornful about the price of the camera (instead of their income) it's not ridiculously priced either. Think of what's in the camera and the price points of what those components cost and Fuji are certainly not gouging here.
I am getting one.
No offense, I can dig you like it, but I think it's just a gimmick. EVF's are more accurate, it's better in low light for the majority, because you CAN see the subject clearly as opposed to an OVF where you really can't see subject in darkness, and the modern EVF like in the latest m43 and Fuji's don't have any noticable lag anymore.But as I said no offence, I dig different needs and wants exsist.
Theofix: For street photography nothing can match an optical viewfinder with a bright frame and a view outside the frame. Only three cameras are in my opinion ideal for this purpose : Fujifilm X100T, Fujifilm XPro2 and Leica M.
Hear hear Fri13 very true as well, if you really need the thing to your eye OVF is outperformed by EVF.
Raist3d: dpreview staff - "fashion conscious" and "serious candid (street photog)" are contradictions. Most street photography- or at least a big chunk of it- is candid/stealth and the last thing uou want is to call attention.
@Raist3d, disagree about the camera needing to be black for streets.Just the opposite I'd say, a non black camera attracts much less attention!
Raist3d: So I have to say I do find a price a bit high with no weather sealing, but given its a luxury looking item (if such thing can be said below Leica pricing) I guess it is what it is.
I will commend Olympus for leveling up their JPEG engine because they were starting to fall behind Fuji, and I do like the new monochrome and color modes.
Fuji not cheap and is also like the Pen-F just an evolution with nothing really spectacular or new things that stand out.The Pen-F though is first of it's line with a viewfinder integrated in the body. So for Olympus/m43 users something "new".Don't get me wrong I'm not fan of this cam because it really isn't a Pen-F and doesn't come close to the philosophy of the Pen-F of old.
I completely disagree. For street you don't want to be an obvious photographer so no camera to the eye.The LCD display is much more suitable for street.