ekaton: Had they gone for the niche, the same body with a f2, 40mm equivalent lens, it could be tempting. But trying to go after the mighty Ricoh GR is a recipe for failure.
I would say it's perfectly comparable, The X70 has not so much over the GM5.One killer feature is LCD/touch focus using your thumb while focussing.IQ wise the GM5 has a lot to offer, and I doubt the output differs terribly much on print anyway, which is where it counts!
Edit:Another great feature on the small GM5 is in camera curve correction (highlight shadows) but then again you need to use the camera to be able to judge it.
Poweruser: Silly behemoth.
@Prestidigitator and HFLM:If you would have investigated a little you would have learned I use the darned things professionally, noobs!I know the LCD's consume less power but 2 displays showing the same info (exp.) is a little bit daft. Why would it be interresting to show the file path when the thing is in sleep, daft again. You set the file path and then don't give it a second look untill you shoot the next gig/subject.You even shoot with these like I do/did, I think not.
Like I also don't get why the still use the silly small LCD display on the bottom back. Easily implemented on mainscreen something like the super contole panel of olympus but then extended with choise of folder etc. I haven't understood why it's essential to see the number of exposures and file folder permanently on the machine. IMO totally useless. If you can check it at the LCD panel it's enough.The top panel already has info about nr of exposures etc, so a waist imo.Al the dials and joysticks right of the LCD are superfluous anyway.Yeah in a few years these will be dinosaurs holding you back.
Exactly, I hated using them. Much better if the grip is detachable also on so called Pro camera. The silly dial on the back (for colour profiles selection in menu's etc) is a dinosaur as wel. It seems clever but it's really not. Being able to select the focus point on the LCD with your thumb and manual track it (Panasonic and Olympus OM10II) is much more useful than the stupid joysticks.I understand why Pro level camera's are designed the same, but I think it's time they innovated a little more at Nikon and Canon.The good things from consumer level camera's need to be implemented in these dinosaurs!Today it seems like the worlds upside down, there's more innovation on consumer level then in Pro level camera's,
PhotoKhan: I can't understand how these fidgety, tiny AF point selections joysticks keep flying with pros.
I know AF point selection may alternatively be controlled with the quick dial but why does Canon keep including a dedicated control that is so difficult to...well...control.
I wonder how many more 1D/5D interactions we must have before it is finally realized that a track-ball with a "click-in-to-select" is the obvious way to go.
(Eye-tracking, of course, would be better still but I am not holding my breath over it.)
Eye tracking was already available mid nineties EOS 5 etc camera's, it's at least 20year old tech.It 's beyond me they haven't implemented in digital.Maybe to claim it as a new feature ;-)The thumb touch on screen focus point selection of Panasonic and Olympus camera's would be helpfull as well, even better than those stupid joystics.
Edit.But then again the LCD is too far to the left to be able to reach it and do the latter. The left hand is really needed to cradle and support the lenses.
CraigArnold: Image Quality looks...
Fine. Perfectly decent. Roughly on par with older FF cameras and current APS-C. Good enough for me.
So why would you buy one? Well obviously if you like the experience of shooting with that camera.
X-trans rendering is just a bit different, sometimes better, sometimes worse. Adobe is fine and usually good enough, C1 better. Certainly the files need a different treatment from Bayer in ACR, using the sliders on Bayer autopilot seems to be a recipe for artifacts, but if you're willing to adjust first your brain, then the sliders, the results are pretty good most of the time.
Apart from the fact that EVERY SINGLE CAMERA that gets discussed on DRReview is too expensive for a bunch of people who then get really angry or scornful about the price of the camera (instead of their income) it's not ridiculously priced either. Think of what's in the camera and the price points of what those components cost and Fuji are certainly not gouging here.
I am getting one.
No offense, I can dig you like it, but I think it's just a gimmick. EVF's are more accurate, it's better in low light for the majority, because you CAN see the subject clearly as opposed to an OVF where you really can't see subject in darkness, and the modern EVF like in the latest m43 and Fuji's don't have any noticable lag anymore.But as I said no offence, I dig different needs and wants exsist.
Theofix: For street photography nothing can match an optical viewfinder with a bright frame and a view outside the frame. Only three cameras are in my opinion ideal for this purpose : Fujifilm X100T, Fujifilm XPro2 and Leica M.
Hear hear Fri13 very true as well, if you really need the thing to your eye OVF is outperformed by EVF.
Raist3d: dpreview staff - "fashion conscious" and "serious candid (street photog)" are contradictions. Most street photography- or at least a big chunk of it- is candid/stealth and the last thing uou want is to call attention.
@Raist3d, disagree about the camera needing to be black for streets.Just the opposite I'd say, a non black camera attracts much less attention!
Raist3d: So I have to say I do find a price a bit high with no weather sealing, but given its a luxury looking item (if such thing can be said below Leica pricing) I guess it is what it is.
I will commend Olympus for leveling up their JPEG engine because they were starting to fall behind Fuji, and I do like the new monochrome and color modes.
Fuji not cheap and is also like the Pen-F just an evolution with nothing really spectacular or new things that stand out.The Pen-F though is first of it's line with a viewfinder integrated in the body. So for Olympus/m43 users something "new".Don't get me wrong I'm not fan of this cam because it really isn't a Pen-F and doesn't come close to the philosophy of the Pen-F of old.
I completely disagree. For street you don't want to be an obvious photographer so no camera to the eye.The LCD display is much more suitable for street.
JakeB: I'd be interested to see the results from Capture One Pro 9.
@ByronP, Sony will be there, yes. And Fuji/Olympus/Panasonic. But Nikon and Canon will eventually see a big decline in sales.35mm will not disapear just yet or many not at all but those formats will become less and less viable, unless someone finds a way to reduce the size of the lenses, Than Sony will take off big time.
But in this case the €1800 price really IS too expensive.It's nicely designed don't get me wrong but the hybrid finder and ws are not worth €600 to me when compared to similar camera's
Nice lens it oozes quality just like the Panna 100-400mm.
ravikiran532: Enough of comparisons with FF lens or 4/3 lens...I don't know why such comments come when any manufacturer releases a new lens...If canon releases a tele lens...people start complaining ...how big that lens is ..Mirrorless is future..If 4/3 releases a tele lens...size is too big...DSLR is king..
Of all three if you dont want to compromise for low light..then APSC is the right option.. High end fuji will always be lighter than high end APSC canon..
For comparision sake 7d mark II with 100 -400 --- 900g + 1.6 == 2.5kgfujifilm Xt1 with 100 -400 -- 450g + 1.4 == 1.8kgGH4 + 100 with 100-400 (ts slower too 4 - 6.3) -- 600g + 1 == 1.6kgI hope people will stop making "size" comments instead welcome the move by the manufacturer by introducing a great lens..to make their lens family complete..comment later after seeing sample images
Well aperture equivalence it's also 4 - 6.3 for Panny m43 and 4.5 - 5.6 for the Fuji.It's the DoF that can be compared as a 8-12.6 or 9-11.2 respectively.But only if you compare it with a 35mm if you have it with you.Most amateurs will only have one system so the comparison is moot.
ekaton: Mh, don`t know. How about mounting a lighter Nikon 300mm on a superior sensor (ISO, DR), higher resolution, better AF aps-c sensor equipped body. Even after cropping the resolution will be as good as with mft and there won`t be any weight advantage with mft.
The Nikon on APS doesn't have the reach, and the sensor isn't really that much better anyway.There is no superior like you put it. There are other trade off's and I've been there and done that!!!
BarnET: Sharpest in the line-up?Well i don't see it not compared to samples of the 75mm F1.8 at least
Have a look at the SLRgear site those MTF's are very flat
gianstam: I' m pretty amazed that people discuss about DOF equivalence in these focal lengths
You're right since for tele in this range the light is more important,. Besides a 35mm lens mostly is too shallow, and stopping down is no option!
Chris62: Mirrorles world is dominated by Sony A7 series, so particulary MFT cameras looks as the toys now.I do not see any reason to buy toys from this system - poor technical properties particulary in comparison to FF from Sony and high prices not only cameras but more important lens also are expensive and remember that F2,8 on MFT offers GO creating possibility as F5,6 on FF.
Panasonic makes great cameras butseriously limited with 4/3 sensor.
@Chris62. It's ignorant !diots like you who always manage to make my day. ROTFLMAO.
DuxX: Fantastic camera but I can't shoot without OVF. Sorry Sony.
@Calvin Chann, you should read!! and apperently you don't know what you're talking about!!!At the same fps it's the same blackout. A D1X's OVF isn't open when the shutter closes, same for E-M1!!I use both camera's. If we talk about lagging of the image compared to where the subject is, then there's a different story, here the E-M-1's EVF shows the subject at little diff position (late compared to reality).If you learned to cope with the blackout of a DSLR you can learn it on an EVF as well, no issues for sports whatsoever!And for the record again E-M1 does 10 fps!!! 9fps with CAF!!
Hahaha @ Calvinn Chann, the blackout is about the same as a 1Dx, for aprox the same frames per second. Can't imagine you had an E-M1 or GH4 fotr that matter!!