Well, for current owners who are also gearheads (like me!) that can mean only two things = no buying new cameras until the next one, or Leica Q. :D
I wonder how much smaller they could have made the lens if they dropped the IS. I think most potential buyers here would value size vs IS? Or just me?
The RX2 will come in at a lower price point, for sure. There's a chance it might even have a built in EVF, but it is unlikely it will have an on-lens distance scale like the Q. I know I will be in a tiny, tiny minority here, but for the way I shoot, AF + on-lens distance scale makes the price difference worth it for me. Of course, I largely prefer 28mm vs 35mm too, LOL.
Might be time to say sorry to the wallet. Unless of course the GR II turns out to be full frame as well, haha.
Wow! Finally! AF + useable on-lens distance scale + built-in EVF at this size at $4250 USD. No need to wait for an RX2. :DD
rallyfan: Why harass the three elderly women in Spain?
Gotta love some of the comments here. "If the photo is staged, that's another story." Hasn't it occurred to some people that perhaps a staged photo would be a greater crime than some imagined slight?
Personally, I have taken dozens and dozens of photos of people who raised their hand to cover their face when I took their picture, out of reflex, or just out of surprise, and we all ended up having a laugh afterwards.
The issue here is that some people seem to honestly believe that 'what other people think' is based on what seems reasonable to them if they had been the one taking the photograph.
If you don't feel a photo is appropriate, then all it means is that you wouldn't take it if it were you. But that simply does not mean that others are unethical or rude when they do otherwise. Your own personal feelings do not get to dictate whether harassment occurred or not.
PS - DPReview really needs an upvote/downvote comment system similar to Reddit.
pseudobreccia: Why would anyone want the Leica X when the Fuji X100S is on the market?
If not for the price premium, I would, because of the on-lens scale.
I would have been willing to pay the premium too, if they included the external EVF at that price. :)
But as it is - Leica price premium + extra cost of VF = not enough to offset the benefits of the distance scale for me.
But cost aside, I think this is a much (far) better thought out camera than the X100T.
Well, I hope they 'Kaizen' it further and add an on-lens distance scale.
For those of us who set it pre-focused on the streets, the whole dials thing is kind of rendered less useful if I still need to look at the LCD screen anyways for the distance scale and DOF scale.
JanMatthys: $499.... at least they're realistic about their pricing, it has a real hot shoe, F/2.8-4.5 lens and takes real SD cards, this is much more logical than the Nikon V3 which has no real hot shoe, a slow zoom F/3.5-5.6 lens and a micro SD card and sells for $1,300!
The V3 doesn't have lens similar to the 06 lens in size/speed/reach though.
Not bad. This + maybe a Q7 and the '06' f/2.8 tele would be a great travel combo. And it'll give you a better sensor on the wide end vs a Stylus 1.
Though I wish Sony had done more to improve the handling. Though my gripe is more with the Powershot-like dial on the back, similar to the one on the Panasonic GM1 rather than the clickless lens ring. Anyone planning on making a small camera should look at the Pentax Q's controls, now, that's the way to do a small bodied camera.
This is actually tempting for me. Although the only lens I'm really interested in in the current Q line-up is the '06' f/2.8 tele-zoom. A Q7 + the 06 would pair nicely with my GR & RX1. The 08 lens would be a nice bonus though.
If Pentax could come out with an f/1.0 wide-ish walk around lens, maybe 28/35/40mm EFOV, it would round out the system pretty well. I think given the small sensor, an f/1.0 lens wouldn't be obscenely large. It would probably be only slightly larger than the largest zoom for the Q.
Price keeps dropping on this one, so I'll most likely spring for one. GX7 sensor in a small package is a biggie for me.
The only possible deal breaker is the Powershot-like back dial, like on the Oly E-PL series. If the Pentax Q can incorporate a proper back dial, I don't see why they couldn't do one here.
This is listed as about 2.7in long, so it's about the same length as the FA31 or the 18-55 WR. It also means it's significantly smaller than the DA* 16-50.
This is pretty much the largest lens I'm willing to consider in any system. I actually wish they only did a 20-30mm lens, and kept it smaller, but I think I will be in the minority in wanting that, LOL.
I no longer shoot Pentax or DSLRs, but I just might pick up an old K5 just for this, so I can have a good compact weather sealed kit. I used to shoot with the DA15/FA31/FA77 plus the 18-55WR as my weather sealed lens.
Though I kind of wish Pentax would just re-issue the DA15 ir DA21 as a WR lens, LOL. That would be even better for me.
3systermuser: Seriously, I just cannot get why it is so special , it seems to me is another boring 28mm fixed lens camera from last decade or even last century.
Nikon A was also very boring but this one seems even worse , it has no EVF , it has no 4k video or any serious video mode , and I think it does not even have any kind of IS/VR/VC,etc.So why do so many people get excited about this GR thing?
It's basically a GRD with a larger sensor.
Which means that it's a very customizable camera with a great lens, and is a very appealing camera to those of us who like cameras that get out of the way when shooting, especially in the streets. I cannot emphasize this enough, because you don't see this just by glancing at some spec sheet.
Also, part of the appeal is that with the GW-3 adapter, it is also one of the most compact ways to get a 21mm EFOV f/2.8, at any sensor size. (As the GW-2 did with the GRD IV, at f/1.9)
To me, the lack of an EVF option is the biggest negative. But for me, isn't too much of a deal-breaker, considering the competition. With snap focus, I can get away with using an OVF most of the time. Not ideal, but compared to my experience with an XE1 - you get an EVF in a compact body and an on-screen distance/DOF scale, sure - but the focus-by-wire implementation was just dismal. I'd rather have Ricoh's snap focus.
RE: Viewfinders -
The Nikon VF is just a simple non-electronic VF - But since the lens is a 28mm EFOV, you don't have to buy the Nikon finder - there are excellent 28mm finders out there for about USD $160-200.
Even the Oly VF-1 (designed for a 35mm EFOV) (USD $85 ) can be used for a 28mm FOV if you use the whole viewfinder and ignore the brightlines.
Or even a 21/25 VF, if you only use the 25mm brightlines, will probably better approximate a 28mm FOV, depending on whether you shoot within a couple of feet or whether you shoot at infinity most of the time.
joshxiv: I could live with an external 'dumb' finder on an APS-C camera, if it had controls and snap focus function similar to the Ricoh GRD series; or a useful DOF scale on the lens or on the screen (like the X1 or the Fuji X's) or a focus wheel like the Sigma DP series.
But as it is, an X100 with the 28mm adapter is simply a much better buy. Or wait and see what the GRD V may bring.
Nice, thanks Ray!
That pretty much changes my opinion of this camera. From a 'meh' to 'I just might get one if it were around USD $800.'
I'm probably one of very few people here who are thankful it's only an f/2.8 lens. I'd rather have a compact lens than a large f/1.8 VR lens.
Definitely starting to look interesting to me.
I could live with an external 'dumb' finder on an APS-C camera, if it had controls and snap focus function similar to the Ricoh GRD series; or a useful DOF scale on the lens or on the screen (like the X1 or the Fuji X's) or a focus wheel like the Sigma DP series.
Looks good to me.
f/2.8 at that size is pretty good, IMO. If you want faster, then get the CZ 24mm.
$350 may be pricier than the Canon 22mm, but one still has to bear in mind that despite the glacial pace Sony has released lenses for the NEX system, it's still significantly more mature than Canon's mirrorless system - and $350 is still much cheaper than other relatively compact APS-C lenses in roughly the same FL:
Fuji XF 18mm f/2 R - ~$600 USD. Faster, but much larger, and with a non-reversible hood.
Pentax 21mm f/3.2 Limited pancake - ~$600 USD. Superb build quality, has a DOF scale, and a great hood, a pain to use with filters though.