wassim al malak: Hello for all ,
how that lens can be compared to the NIKKOR 16-35 f4 vr ?even i was waiting for that lens , but , i am thinking now what is the major cons of it on the 16-35 ?may someone mention the f2.8 over the f4 , but , i think the +1 on the wide and +5 on the zoom range is worth with f4 then 15-30 f2.8 .
any suggestions ?
>>how that lens can be compared to the NIKKOR 16-35 f4 vr ?
it is twice as heavy
Raist3d: So sad to see Russia doing this. I hope the rest of the world can serve as a living example of why this is ridiculous.
@Raist3d>>Russia not doing anything about gross discrimination, and violence.
I bet, you can't specify what kind of violence and discrimination made to gays in R. In the best case, american propaganda had picked up 1-2 murder cases with gays involved, and presented them like a general rule for the whole Russia, like it is happening on the every day basis.But in the most probable case - they just repeated "anti-gay violence in Russia" and "gay discrimination" for 100 times/day 3 month long (btw, right befor Olympic games), and now you and others retranslate that BS here.
Again, I agree with others hare. Gays are treated in absolutely same way as all other people in R (except gay clubs of course).
@Raist3d>> I a not going to pretend the US is perfect here, but it is prosecuted if you have gangs going after gays here.
So you think we have gangs that hunt gays? I wonder how effective your propaganda is: I am pretty sure none of the officials on CNN did ever tell that but they still made you think so.
>You tell me...I agree with the other russians above. Nobody cares what and with whom you are doing in you bedroom.(partly relevant story)I new one transsexual - a guy who dressed like a gal and spoke about himself as a woman. He, or better say she worked in a big shop as a seller, so it was a very public place. I saw her several times a week for many years (I went to the shop on my way home). I never EVER saw any kind of discrimination expressed by her coworkers or visitors in the shop.
@D1N0>>homosexual propaganda, which is effectively limiting the freedom of expressionSo you mean the only result of their expression is gay propaganda?
@Raist (main message),first make clean your own bedroom, and then teach others, OKay?
@ D1N0Those horses, unable to m-bate, have lost their minds because of hormones. They would have *ex with anything that move. I doubt you want to use that argument supporting gays.
Gediminas 8: Those background stories are really irritating. I thought photography was about storytelling by images, not by some half-a-page-long convoluted scares accompanying the photo.
The ant, the schoolyard and the Chinese worker photos are the best. But the politicised tale accompanying the schoolyard photo is clearly redundant.
Gediminas 8and I even haven't started my anti-US rant yet. =)
Raist3d,I am russian. Tell me, what's going on in my country. I'm sure you, and those journalists know it much better. ;-)
ZAnton: Such contests have only one aim: to show to "western world" how rest of the world, helpless underdeveloped unter-menschen suffer, degrade, live in slumps, dirt and deseases.
Gediminas 8 I didn't say, that westerners LOVE to observe ...I said, that this is what is shown to westerners. Sure, among almost 100 000 photos there are very different ones from all over the world. But nobody looks all 100k photos. We all look on compilations like "best 10" or "best 100". Even here dpreview had chosen 12. Almost all of them showing troubles somewhere else. And the only one positive, life-asserting photo with bright, saturated colors, proper light and correct white balance is from ... USA.And I see this in every documentary or journalistic photo contest, here or elsewhere.That is what bothers me.
it is just the modern art.Only 1 century ago artists were able to create a feeling or translate some ideas without a A4 page of text.And now these useless people are only able to collect some garbage in a heap, or spray a paint from human holes on a canvas and then write 2 pages about what that all shoud mean. A trick is just to stay in the main prapaganda stream.
What is on the agenda today?Gays and Putin? - then take this photo.Very bad Saddam - here is another oneTwin-towers and state insecurity - here is the third one.
That is how it is.
If gay are OKay, why most russian should care about them? Or do you mean they ARE sick, you liberal theoretician?
Express their nature how? Nobody cares what you are doing at your home. There are gays and gay clubs in Russia. Nobody touches them. There are no limitations when gays are looking for a job. At the same time in many States in USA gay marriages are prohibited same way as in Russia. In other countries (USA allies) there is death penalty for just being gay (and lots of other things). But that is OKay!This gay theme is used simply to put you against Putin and Russia. Because USA are not happy with him/us. Dont mix the cause and the consequence.
Such contests have only one aim: to show to "western world" how rest of the world, helpless underdeveloped unter-menschen suffer, degrade, live in slumps, dirt and deseases.
Sorry, you are sad to see Russia doing what?
ZAnton: So the short flange distance makes no sense, because it causes big distortions, abberations and problems with "real aperture" on a big sensor (light has to fall on the sensor under a big angle). These lenses look quite long.
So what is a advantage of a slim 35mm mirrorless?
@MAubreyExactly. Most of these lenses look like "normal" lens with an adapter, which is optically a distance ring.
@nerd2May be I am wrong, but non-retrofocus design produces short focal plane distance, which will cause problems with light on the sensor periphery.
So the short flange distance makes no sense, because it causes big distortions, abberations and problems with "real aperture" on a big sensor (light has to fall on the sensor under a big angle). These lenses look quite long.
crashpc: Please, add some older camera models in the comparison tool. It has been said many times and it would make good reference. I'm sure you'll find your time for 4-6 models... THX
agree, I'd like to see a granddaddies Canon 350D and Nikon D80. They probably wont be that much worse (if at all) than new Canon crops.
Peiasdf: Sony a6000 is winning this thing at ISO 1600 and above. APS-C and JPEG only of course.
JPEG is SOOOOOOOOOOO irrelevant =)
It would be cool if you would shot this test scene with Zeiss Otus 85mm f/1.4 and Zeiss 55mm for cropped sensors.
ZAnton: Sony has good innovation in cameras, but its lenses are 1) extremely big and heavy (compared to CaNikon)2) very expensive, especially considering that they don't have IS like all others.
Ok, now back to numbers, ladies.70-200 f/2.8:Nikon 2000 Euro with stab. Canon 2000 Euro with stab.Canon 1200 Euro w/o stab.Sony 2800 Euro no stab.
16-35 f/2.8Canon 1350 Euro 640gNikon 1370 Euro 745gSony 2100 Euro 900g
Other "cheapo" ff and aps-c lenses like 70-300 f/4.5-5.6 or 55-200 cost same or more than Canon, Nikon, Tamron etc. analogies but with OS.
Sony has good innovation in cameras, but its lenses are 1) extremely big and heavy (compared to CaNikon)2) very expensive, especially considering that they don't have IS like all others.
my 2 notes for DP Review.1) in DR tests LX100 does have somewhat less noise than Sony and Canon G7x. It is not much less noise, but visible and worth mentioning.
2) Please compare it in size with ILC m4/3 like Olympus PL7 + standard and bright lenses.
For me LX100 is a main rival for Oly PL7 (or other compact m4/3).And it looks like LX100 will be smaller and lighter AND significantly cheaper than Oly PL7+standard zoom+bright fixorOly PL7+bright zoom (Oly 12-40 f/2.8)