ZAnton: In this combination m4/3 neither smaller and lighter, nor cheaper than conventional APS-C cameras, but with serious penalty for IQ, especially DR and ISO. So what is the sense? Another toy for crazy techno-geeks?
Gentlemans, I invite you to continue our discussion 1 post higher.
@ DarkShiftTheoretically it is not, but I have Oly EPen1 - 12 MP, Canon 350D - 8MP (and now Canon 5Dmk2) And I can say that ancient 350D + Tamron 17-50 nonIS just destroys Oly EPen1 + Kit in terms of everything (except weight and size).
Pana is making crap lenses. They assume that CA , vignietting and distortion are "easily" removed in postprocessing and make lenses with no optimisation on that things at all. After that they charge double price for that crap. Sigma, Tamron and Tokina produce way better lenses than pana, say nothing about Canon and Nikon.
Fiacre: @ ZAnton :What do you suggest for a APS-C camera and zoom to get a similar size and weight ? I'm a bit curious...
Nikon 3200 + Sigma 17-50 = 1070 gram, 13.6 Stops DR, low light ISO 1180, 599€+ 593€=1192€Pana GH2 + Pana 12-35 = 730 gram, 11.3 Stops DR, low light ISO 655. 1315€+1000€=2315€Oly M5 costs the same, but DXO has no info on IQ.
Anyway, double price for 300 gram weight advantage, but 2 Stops worse DR and 1 Stop worse high ISO? Seriously?Maybe for some people Pana enlarges some body parts instead, I don't know.
It only concernes lenses with f/1,4 and better.
In this combination m4/3 neither smaller and lighter, nor cheaper than conventional APS-C cameras, but with serious penalty for IQ, especially DR and ISO. So what is the sense? Another toy for crazy techno-geeks?
smatty: If they are taking this much time to fine tune the X-Pro 1 Raw converter, it must become incredibly good. And they probably include all the film JPG simulation modes at 100% Fuji accuracy, too.
... and then I woke up and realized it was only a dream ;)
I assume it depends more on the Fuji programmers, than on the Adobe.
Well, an interesting thing, if you compare cameras from the times of the first Superzooms (Sony H1, Minolta Z, Canon S1...) than they a kinda making progress step by step, but when I compare the image quality of my old Sony H2 (6MP, 10x zoom) with recent mega-zooms, it is BETTER!!!
14 MP on a tiny sensor is nonsence. IQ is crap. Yes, they have video and other rings and bells, but the most important thing of all photo cameras is IQ and it is not getting any better.If you buy modern P&S, you can simply use reduced image size.
ZAnton: Why everybody is whining about lack of the AEB?It is pretty useless.This all AEB have +/- 2 Stops max. which is way to little for really contrasty scene. If you need +/-2 stops just pull the shadows in LR.When I needed HDR on Canon 350D I just used M and made several shots with 10 Stops range.
@ balicoDo you have in-camera HDR in D300?If you process in Auto HDR programs, they delete moving objects. Second, clouds are usually not that fast, to make problems in 3 consequent shots. People, cars, trees under the wind - yes, clouds - no.
Why everybody is whining about lack of the AEB?It is pretty useless.This all AEB have +/- 2 Stops max. which is way to little for really contrasty scene. If you need +/-2 stops just pull the shadows in LR.When I needed HDR on Canon 350D I just used M and made several shots with 10 Stops range.
sravpes: What happened to Canon?
:) They are still desiding which of the 200x-year features to put on the 201x-year camera. They already put non-crapy AF on 5D mk3 for €1300 overprice. The rest of the Canon is making Wi-Fi printers and Hollywood video-cameras.
tmascolo: It is funny listening to people talk about computer horsepower, memory, and hard drive storage. I have a neighbor in her late 60s who has been a photographer her whole life, she calls the memory cards 'film' and drops her 'film' off at the lab to get prints made and a DVD. She does not 'process' her photos at home, just like she did not with film.
I would infer from this that the target market of entry level cameras do not do their own processing, they just drop off their 'film' at the store to get their prints and/or a DVD to pop into their DVD player to watch their 'slides'. They don't sit for hours on each picture staring at the pixel structure of each image to decide whether it is an 'acceptable' image, then edit it, then print it, or put it on a DVD, Blu-Ray or whatever...
@ Henry M. HertzBut they need it to show off in front of their friends.
@ tmascoloAgree. Entry-level people do not process at all, neither in LR, nor in DPP or anything else. They don't even really understand what all those buttons mean.
The only reason of putting such an expensive lenses here is to impel people to think, that "ordinary" Canon/Nikon lenses with red/gold ring for over 1000 Euro are "cheap". And are the only option to buy.
I think this is a fake price. They just say that the deal was made for $1B, while it is max. $100m. From that lie win both FB and Instagram. FB shows how rich and cool they are, how much $ they invest in development, new technologies, how deep they are into photography etc. Instagram owners/investors show what a good, big, important, successfull job they did.
It is something like fake selling paintings made of paint, sprayed on the canvas from the bowel, for $ millions inside a group of people, raising the price in each transaction, unless one off-site idiot buys this painting.
Deleted1929: The enormous drop RAW quality from 1600 to 3200 is hard to believe. I have to wonder if it's a software issue ( Sigma software ). I hope DPR will update their RAW test when either Adobe or dcraw supports the SD1 Merrill.
If Sigma are reading it is in your interests to give Adobe ( and Dave Coffin - dcraw ) support in developing conversion code for your cameras.
For me it also looks like there is no good NR software for RAW files os Sigma. The noise IS there, but it is not that bad.
Somebody tell them that in 21 century the lens MUST have AF.
ZAnton: Yep, mk3 has tiny-slightly less noise than mk2, but definitely not worth 1800 Euro price difference.I am glad I've bought mk2 in Oct. Although it is sad, that I've chose Canon over Nikon 4 years ago.
Well, I totally understand, that now my skill is limiting, but as I shoot landscapes, I have to expose the sky and pull the trees very often. And yes, the noise sometimes is VERY strong. It is not very often, but it does happen.
Yep, mk3 has tiny-slightly less noise than mk2, but definitely not worth 1800 Euro price difference.I am glad I've bought mk2 in Oct. Although it is sad, that I've chose Canon over Nikon 4 years ago.
ZAnton: Canon, can you please show me the man, who actually used the Print Button on Canon cameras?That probably will be the same man, who will use your new "cloud printing" feature.
"you can print from wherever you are" - I am sorry, maybe it will be the news for you, but during printing all people are at their tables with computers sitting next to the printer.And sharing a photo printer with "others", considering the price of 1 photo, is pretty much stupid.
Dear Canon, please fire that idiots and invest more money into the sensor technology.
@ Sobasan With a conventional printer you can log on into your google-mail and print from there.With a shared printer you either have to ask somebody and input username/password, or the owner has to share the printer w/o password, so that every idiot in a ** meters distance can print his favourite porn for you.
And again, considering the price of 1 photo, the owner either has to charge money for printing, or he has to be Bill Gates or Rockefeller.
Canon, can you please show me the man, who actually used the Print Button on Canon cameras?That probably will be the same man, who will use your new "cloud printing" feature.
ZAnton: Big size does not help if they compress everything with 10% quality. All my photos have "nice" lines and squares on the color gradients.
Yes, i did it *after*.