I have a Blackberry Torch 9810, and it works superbly well as a phone in difficult terrain, remote areas.
Has a touchscreen and very good predictive text.
Has a 5 MP camera that produces surprisingly good images and video.
Has a real keyboard that works, and the browser works better with the 'new DPR' than IE8 or Opera do.
My Palm PDAs have had touchscreens and handwriting recognition for over a decade ... I have just replaced my Tungsten E2 with a new one precisely because none of the "smartphones" ("dumbphones"?) can hold a candle to this device in the integration and usability stakes.
So yeah, Lauren seems to have never held a BB, let alone used one ...
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Posted on Nov 9, 2012 at 07:45:32 UTC
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Good to see the Kodak grey scale chart with its C-Y-M header is still there.
IMHO, this is one of the most important tests of any camera, whether the contrast and brightness between the respective colour circle and the embedded character in white is relatively even over the three (reciprocal) primary colours; as well as the grey scale wedge reproduction.
IME, many cameras fall down on this simple test, and the final results from them also show this systemic bias towards (usually) two of the three colours, with the white character bordering on being indistinct in the other colour. This success or failure gives clues to the adequacy and appropriateness of the CFA and attendant processing IMO.
Not good to see the shadow box with its fluffy balls removed. IMHO, this was an excellent part of the target for evaluating shadow detail and noise. Looking at the full size image just now, I realised that there is nothing similar to it, or to the toys with their very sharp printed detail.
br, j
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Posted on Oct 10, 2012 at 01:17:24 UTC
as 159th comment
Nightwings: Still no spell checker?? I just realized through all of the changes etc. .. there's no built in spell checking engine in these new forums?? Or am I missing a setting somewhere? Anyone....?
Gidday NW
I have always used IESPELL. Apart from a few oddities, it seems to work OK with all kinds of s/w. Only works with IE though.
regards, john
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Posted on Oct 9, 2012 at 00:36:39 UTC
Complain buttons are useless .. and I'll tell you why. Complaints to through to people who a lot of times don't even participate in the forums and have no contextual clue as to how or why the complaint came about or the history of the complainer.
I would much prefer to see openly identified moderators who participate in the forums on a regular basis. Moderators that can't be identified, also can't be held accountable. That is the ONE big thing I hate about these forums is the lack of moderation.... and when it is moderated, it's done knee jerk and often times without explaination. Each forum should have at LEAST two fully active identifiable moderators. imho
Gidday NW
That's exactly the case on an un-related forum where I am a moderator.
A user checks to see which members are logged in, and there's the name of a moderator or two ... ;).
Like seeing Police on patrol/foot patrol, it helps keep the peace simply by being visible.
That's not to say there should not be a COMPLAINT button. There is one on that other forum. Things that are getting out of hand are usually brought back into line and civility merely by a moderator or SysAdmin mentioning in the thread that they are "on patrol". Very rare that anyone gets sent to the sin bin, but it does happen ...
regards, john
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Posted on Oct 8, 2012 at 04:27:26 UTC
Roger Engelken: Dump the "voting" system please. Not all of us are teenagers consumed with the facebook, amazon and the twitter generation. Get rid that garbage and allow dpreview to rise well above the mediocrity of today's social media.
Gidday Roger
I don't disagree ... However, I also like the idea of having only two buttons, not three buttons - "LIKE" and "COMPLAIN" - the latter for written complaints to DPR, as suggested by another poster in that thread.
regards, john
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Posted on Oct 8, 2012 at 03:21:42 UTC
John King: What's the point of having images uploaded to my web site at 1024 x 768, when this site re-sizes them to 940 x 705? I haven't seen a desktop or laptop monitor as small as that for many years ...
The IQ also seems to drop off rather badly ...
BTW, thanks for all the effort that everyone has put in so far to bring the new code into being, and fixing the inevitable bugs and glitches. Shaping up pretty well, IMHO.
Hope some of you have had at least SOME sleep ...
regards, john
Thanks Simon
I realise that there is a "full image" tag, but it gets disconnected from the image as the image is moved to its "correct" position in the post from the (usually) wrong default insertion point ...
On another point, have you got a CHANGELOG by any chance? If we could check it, it would save us bringing up points that have already been raised.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
regards, john
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Posted on Oct 7, 2012 at 07:11:54 UTC
What's the point of having images uploaded to my web site at 1024 x 768, when this site re-sizes them to 940 x 705? I haven't seen a desktop or laptop monitor as small as that for many years ...
The IQ also seems to drop off rather badly ...
BTW, thanks for all the effort that everyone has put in so far to bring the new code into being, and fixing the inevitable bugs and glitches. Shaping up pretty well, IMHO.
Hope some of you have had at least SOME sleep ...
regards, john
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Posted on Oct 7, 2012 at 06:26:53 UTC
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ericinho: [OT] I find the downright rude and simply ungrateful behavior of some here baffling, especially since the entire site is FREE. So an effort to make the site better (again free of charge) should be applauded, supported and critized constructively instead of being a complete d--k moaning like a little kid about things that do not work and are "a big mistake".
ofcourse as with most (if not all) migrations to another system, a lot of things go wrong, but the DP team is working to fix them. So why don't you give them an encouragement by giving useful critique in a way your mother taught you to do. No one of us can make any claims or demands, since you don't pay a dime (and spare me non-arguments like the few ads here and there)
So instead of all this negativety that seems to be going around since too many month, try to be a bit more courteous It will make the boards a fun place again and the site in general more enjoyable to visit (plus as bonus the DP crew will likely appreciate it).
Hear, hear, Eric.
Well said. I agree wholeheartedly.
regards, john
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Posted on Oct 5, 2012 at 11:48:55 UTC
John King: "Maximum posts reached" message is being triggered at 149 posts, not 150.
e.g. here: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3277218
Check the increment variable loop structure, it is counting from 148 to 0, not from 149 to 0.
Either that, or the logic of the IF-THEN-ELSE or LOOP UNTIL or similar CONDITION statement is wrong.
[EDIT] There also appears to be a problem with honouring posts that are commenced before the 150 post limit is reached (or 149, in this case ;) ).
This is not very acceptable, regardless of how much some trolls (selectively) suggest that it should be the rule.
If 5 people all start a reply when the post count is at (say) 146 posts, all five posts should be honoured. Otherwise it is a very unfair system. It also wastes the time of the last poster to click the POST button. This poster has had no warning until the post is refused.
I have just wasted 15 minutes typing a reply only to have that happen. Not amused. [end edit]
regards, john
I didn't think you had, Simon ... LOL!
I have noticed the emoticons are now working, and so are Ctrl+B etc for formatting.
Obviously still some bits that need attention (lots of attention, in some cases). However I reckon that the team has done a fantastic job of doing this while the system was "hot".
Look forward to the finished product in the fullness of time.
regards, john
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Posted on Oct 5, 2012 at 07:24:24 UTC
"Maximum posts reached" message is being triggered at 149 posts, not 150.
e.g. here: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3277218
Check the increment variable loop structure, it is counting from 148 to 0, not from 149 to 0.
Either that, or the logic of the IF-THEN-ELSE or LOOP UNTIL or similar CONDITION statement is wrong.
[EDIT] There also appears to be a problem with honouring posts that are commenced before the 150 post limit is reached (or 149, in this case ;) ).
This is not very acceptable, regardless of how much some trolls (selectively) suggest that it should be the rule.
If 5 people all start a reply when the post count is at (say) 146 posts, all five posts should be honoured. Otherwise it is a very unfair system. It also wastes the time of the last poster to click the POST button. This poster has had no warning until the post is refused.
I have just wasted 15 minutes typing a reply only to have that happen. Not amused. [end edit]
regards, john
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Posted on Oct 5, 2012 at 07:05:44 UTC
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The cursor activation when hovering over the "Click to use the image viewing mode" button in posts is off centre badly. Also too small an active area; applies to both expand and collapse.
URL links and image links still do not work in my footer block.
Top Posters and Top Threads is still displaying the stats for the forums as a whole rather than for the specific forum.
The link to the last post takes one to somewhere (?) in the thread, but not to the last post.
The FORUM link next to specific threads/posts in RECENT ACTIVITY takes one to that thread, not to the specified forum.
Number of posts in a thread does not display in FLAT VIEW when within the thread, only on the forum home page.
Still no emoticons.
Splitting a quote does not work (IE8, WinXP Pro SP3).
Quoting another post mostly leads to a "hung/slow script on page" error.
EDIT twice only works once ... gives an error that the post has already been edited twice.
Keep those squirrels working ;)!
regards, john
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Posted on Oct 5, 2012 at 04:28:54 UTC
as 111th comment
Greg Gebhardt: Well it IS a big change. Time will tell but I suspect it will be tweaked as we go and be better in the end. The old code that ran this place had to be a pain in the butt to maintain!
I say thumbs up for now!
Gidday Greg
I agree.
Considering that we are into Day One, with the forums actually working from the moment the change over occurred, I reckon that in itself is a small miracle.
Having had to probe and plumb the depths of "antique" code on a number of occasions, I have considerable sympathy with the trials of the programmers here having to deal with proprietary code that is well over ten years old ... UGH!!
Better to re-program the site using modern, documented tools.
br, john
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Posted on Oct 4, 2012 at 10:29:34 UTC
SergeyGreen: It looks ugly, it is unintuitive, and the rating system is an absolute nonsense. For the forums that are driven by conflict it is yet another addon of useless information. It is uninviting.
As one of the people who contributes mightily to such conflict, you ought to know.
What's the problem? Did someone give one of your positive, useful posts a Brown Thumb award?
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Posted on Oct 4, 2012 at 09:26:52 UTC
If you are going to use an embedded WYSIWYG editor, why not use a full featured one like TinyMCE.
I cannot get images in my footer block to display (have tried .JPG and .GIF formats), and the URL of my web site is not "active" unless I select it while editing my post/reply.
Previous comments about not splitting posts are right on the money.
No emoticons is bad news ... :( :(
br, john
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Posted on Oct 4, 2012 at 07:14:42 UTC
as 250th comment
I like "Forum Pro" as a designation somewhat better than "Forum Addict", but I suspect that "Forum Junkie" would probably be more accurate than either ... ;) :) :D.
br, john
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Posted on Oct 4, 2012 at 04:43:58 UTC
as 276th comment
ljfinger: Is there some way to take some text and make it show as quoted text as you could before with > or > > etc.? If I break into a quoted paragraph, the text after the break loses the quotation lines and I can't figure a way to put them back.
Yeah LJ
A very important feature.
On vBulletin boards, one can use [/QUOTE] .... [QUOTE] to break into the middle of a quoted post.
br, john
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Posted on Oct 4, 2012 at 03:13:47 UTC
Agree with Baldhead44.
I have a Blackberry Torch 9810, and it works superbly well as a phone in difficult terrain, remote areas.
Has a touchscreen and very good predictive text.
Has a 5 MP camera that produces surprisingly good images and video.
Has a real keyboard that works, and the browser works better with the 'new DPR' than IE8 or Opera do.
My Palm PDAs have had touchscreens and handwriting recognition for over a decade ... I have just replaced my Tungsten E2 with a new one precisely because none of the "smartphones" ("dumbphones"?) can hold a candle to this device in the integration and usability stakes.
So yeah, Lauren seems to have never held a BB, let alone used one ...
Good to see the Kodak grey scale chart with its C-Y-M header is still there.
IMHO, this is one of the most important tests of any camera, whether the contrast and brightness between the respective colour circle and the embedded character in white is relatively even over the three (reciprocal) primary colours; as well as the grey scale wedge reproduction.
IME, many cameras fall down on this simple test, and the final results from them also show this systemic bias towards (usually) two of the three colours, with the white character bordering on being indistinct in the other colour. This success or failure gives clues to the adequacy and appropriateness of the CFA and attendant processing IMO.
Not good to see the shadow box with its fluffy balls removed. IMHO, this was an excellent part of the target for evaluating shadow detail and noise. Looking at the full size image just now, I realised that there is nothing similar to it, or to the toys with their very sharp printed detail.
br, j
Nightwings: Still no spell checker?? I just realized through all of the changes etc. .. there's no built in spell checking engine in these new forums?? Or am I missing a setting somewhere? Anyone....?
Gidday NW
I have always used IESPELL. Apart from a few oddities, it seems to work OK with all kinds of s/w. Only works with IE though.
regards, john
Nightwings: @Roger E.
Agreed 100%
@Gidday Roger
Complain buttons are useless .. and I'll tell you why. Complaints to through to people who a lot of times don't even participate in the forums and have no contextual clue as to how or why the complaint came about or the history of the complainer.
I would much prefer to see openly identified moderators who participate in the forums on a regular basis. Moderators that can't be identified, also can't be held accountable. That is the ONE big thing I hate about these forums is the lack of moderation.... and when it is moderated, it's done knee jerk and often times without explaination. Each forum should have at LEAST two fully active identifiable moderators. imho
Gidday NW
That's exactly the case on an un-related forum where I am a moderator.
A user checks to see which members are logged in, and there's the name of a moderator or two ... ;).
Like seeing Police on patrol/foot patrol, it helps keep the peace simply by being visible.
That's not to say there should not be a COMPLAINT button. There is one on that other forum. Things that are getting out of hand are usually brought back into line and civility merely by a moderator or SysAdmin mentioning in the thread that they are "on patrol". Very rare that anyone gets sent to the sin bin, but it does happen ...
regards, john
Roger Engelken: Dump the "voting" system please. Not all of us are teenagers consumed with the facebook, amazon and the twitter generation. Get rid that garbage and allow dpreview to rise well above the mediocrity of today's social media.
Gidday Roger
I don't disagree ...
However, I also like the idea of having only two buttons, not three buttons - "LIKE" and "COMPLAIN" - the latter for written complaints to DPR, as suggested by another poster in that thread.
regards, john
John King: What's the point of having images uploaded to my web site at 1024 x 768, when this site re-sizes them to 940 x 705? I haven't seen a desktop or laptop monitor as small as that for many years ...
The IQ also seems to drop off rather badly ...
BTW, thanks for all the effort that everyone has put in so far to bring the new code into being, and fixing the inevitable bugs and glitches. Shaping up pretty well, IMHO.
Hope some of you have had at least SOME sleep ...
regards, john
Thanks Simon
I realise that there is a "full image" tag, but it gets disconnected from the image as the image is moved to its "correct" position in the post from the (usually) wrong default insertion point ...
On another point, have you got a CHANGELOG by any chance?
If we could check it, it would save us bringing up points that have already been raised.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
regards, john
What's the point of having images uploaded to my web site at 1024 x 768, when this site re-sizes them to 940 x 705? I haven't seen a desktop or laptop monitor as small as that for many years ...
The IQ also seems to drop off rather badly ...
BTW, thanks for all the effort that everyone has put in so far to bring the new code into being, and fixing the inevitable bugs and glitches. Shaping up pretty well, IMHO.
Hope some of you have had at least SOME sleep ...
regards, john
ericinho: [OT]
I find the downright rude and simply ungrateful behavior of some here baffling, especially since the entire site is FREE. So an effort to make the site better (again free of charge) should be applauded, supported and critized constructively instead of being a complete d--k moaning like a little kid about things that do not work and are "a big mistake".
ofcourse as with most (if not all) migrations to another system, a lot of things go wrong, but the DP team is working to fix them. So why don't you give them an encouragement by giving useful critique in a way your mother taught you to do. No one of us can make any claims or demands, since you don't pay a dime (and spare me non-arguments like the few ads here and there)
So instead of all this negativety that seems to be going around since too many month, try to be a bit more courteous It will make the boards a fun place again and the site in general more enjoyable to visit (plus as bonus the DP crew will likely appreciate it).
Hear, hear, Eric.
Well said. I agree wholeheartedly.
regards, john
John King: "Maximum posts reached" message is being triggered at 149 posts, not 150.
e.g. here:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3277218
Check the increment variable loop structure, it is counting from 148 to 0, not from 149 to 0.
Either that, or the logic of the IF-THEN-ELSE or LOOP UNTIL or similar CONDITION statement is wrong.
[EDIT]
There also appears to be a problem with honouring posts that are commenced before the 150 post limit is reached (or 149, in this case ;) ).
This is not very acceptable, regardless of how much some trolls (selectively) suggest that it should be the rule.
If 5 people all start a reply when the post count is at (say) 146 posts, all five posts should be honoured. Otherwise it is a very unfair system. It also wastes the time of the last poster to click the POST button. This poster has had no warning until the post is refused.
I have just wasted 15 minutes typing a reply only to have that happen.
Not amused.
[end edit]
regards, john
I didn't think you had, Simon ... LOL!
I have noticed the emoticons are now working, and so are Ctrl+B etc for formatting.
Obviously still some bits that need attention (lots of attention, in some cases).
However I reckon that the team has done a fantastic job of doing this while the system was "hot".
Look forward to the finished product in the fullness of time.
regards, john
"Maximum posts reached" message is being triggered at 149 posts, not 150.
e.g. here:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3277218
Check the increment variable loop structure, it is counting from 148 to 0, not from 149 to 0.
Either that, or the logic of the IF-THEN-ELSE or LOOP UNTIL or similar CONDITION statement is wrong.
[EDIT]
There also appears to be a problem with honouring posts that are commenced before the 150 post limit is reached (or 149, in this case ;) ).
This is not very acceptable, regardless of how much some trolls (selectively) suggest that it should be the rule.
If 5 people all start a reply when the post count is at (say) 146 posts, all five posts should be honoured. Otherwise it is a very unfair system. It also wastes the time of the last poster to click the POST button. This poster has had no warning until the post is refused.
I have just wasted 15 minutes typing a reply only to have that happen.
Not amused.
[end edit]
regards, john
solarider: Lots of feed back here too http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50002298
You folks at dpreview must be snowed with things to fix. Maybe revert to the old format and get it fixed first if that's possible?
thank you.
It isn't possible.
The data format is different.
regards, J
The cursor activation when hovering over the "Click to use the image viewing mode" button in posts is off centre badly. Also too small an active area; applies to both expand and collapse.
URL links and image links still do not work in my footer block.
Top Posters and Top Threads is still displaying the stats for the forums as a whole rather than for the specific forum.
The link to the last post takes one to somewhere (?) in the thread, but not to the last post.
The FORUM link next to specific threads/posts in RECENT ACTIVITY takes one to that thread, not to the specified forum.
Number of posts in a thread does not display in FLAT VIEW when within the thread, only on the forum home page.
Still no emoticons.
Splitting a quote does not work (IE8, WinXP Pro SP3).
Quoting another post mostly leads to a "hung/slow script on page" error.
EDIT twice only works once ... gives an error that the post has already been edited twice.
Keep those squirrels working ;)!
regards, john
Greg Gebhardt: Well it IS a big change. Time will tell but I suspect it will be tweaked as we go and be better in the end. The old code that ran this place had to be a pain in the butt to maintain!
I say thumbs up for now!
Gidday Greg
I agree.
Considering that we are into Day One, with the forums actually working from the moment the change over occurred, I reckon that in itself is a small miracle.
Having had to probe and plumb the depths of "antique" code on a number of occasions, I have considerable sympathy with the trials of the programmers here having to deal with proprietary code that is well over ten years old ... UGH!!
Better to re-program the site using modern, documented tools.
br, john
Neither reply posts nor quote posts work at all with Opera.
Crashed twice ...
SergeyGreen: It looks ugly, it is unintuitive, and the rating system is an absolute nonsense. For the forums that are driven by conflict it is yet another addon of useless information. It is uninviting.
As one of the people who contributes mightily to such conflict, you ought to know.
What's the problem? Did someone give one of your positive, useful posts a Brown Thumb award?
If you are going to use an embedded WYSIWYG editor, why not use a full featured one like TinyMCE.
I cannot get images in my footer block to display (have tried .JPG and .GIF formats), and the URL of my web site is not "active" unless I select it while editing my post/reply.
Previous comments about not splitting posts are right on the money.
No emoticons is bad news ... :( :(
br, john
I like "Forum Pro" as a designation somewhat better than "Forum Addict", but I suspect that "Forum Junkie" would probably be more accurate than either ... ;) :) :D.
br, john
I have found the problem with the Poster's Profile and Forum Bookmarks links.
This is the correct link, e.g.:
http://www.dpreview.com/members/{member number}/forums/bookmarks
This is the link from the PP and Forums pages:
http://www.dpreview.com/members/{member number}/bookmarks
The intermediate link "/forums" is missing from the URL (actually, URI, unless I'm mistaken ... ).
One's bookmarks are available via one's Poster's Profile/Forums/ ... Showing: SELECT "Bookmarks".
br, john
ljfinger: Is there some way to take some text and make it show as quoted text as you could before with > or > > etc.? If I break into a quoted paragraph, the text after the break loses the quotation lines and I can't figure a way to put them back.
Yeah LJ
A very important feature.
On vBulletin boards, one can use [/QUOTE] .... [QUOTE] to break into the middle of a quoted post.
br, john
On the main forum page, the Top Posters list shows the top posters for all of DPR, rather than the top posters for the specific forum.
br, john