Merops, I did place a genuine rodent pic in this challenge but decided to withdraw it on the first day of voting pretty much for the reasons outlined in your post below. Furthermore I'd also question whether some entries were actually taken in a 'Zoo'.
Maybe, just maybe, the host has been unable to 'police' their challenge as originally intended (PC or connection problems or, perish the thought, ill-health perhaps?), and it will be a shame if a meerkat, rabbit, otter, mongoose or other non-appropriate species gains more votes than any images that fully comply with the Rodent title.
Time, of course, will reveal an outcome. ;-)
You’re right about the rabbits not being rodents. Furthermore, as far as I’m aware, meerkats and otters are non-rodent species too. ;-)
Thanks very much for congratulations, everyone, your comments are much appreciated. :-)
Extra thanks go to RuthC for setting up and running the challenge. As a fellow host, I know how much work is involved with these things, save to mention the time involved with each one. Cheers. :-)
Stevie Boy Blue: I like this image. Whilst I sympathise that some questionable voting may be going on (which is something I’m attempting to look into), it appears to be occurring only in a minority of cases.
Maybe, just maybe, some of those responsible for giving low votes here recognise this image from other challenges. Although there’s arguably nothing wrong with entering the same pic multiple times, I can see you’ve now used this (or a very similar) photo on five occasions.
Whilst you and I may feel it’s fine to do so, there’s an idea that some voters don’t like to see repeats and such people could be inclined to give low votes to specific shots just on that basis. Of the four challenges in which you’ve entered this image beforehand, you’ve taken 2 x 5th and 2 x 3rd spots, so 4th position here is something I wouldn’t be disappointed about. Well done.
In the opinion to which you're entitled to hold, it may be a lame reason, but here’s a quote from a post made in 2011, the link to which someone kindly sent to me and which I’ve included below: “TBH, if I keep seeing the same photo I will get tired of seeing it and start voting it lower because I won’t like it much anymore…”
That’s just one member who openly admits to giving low scores. There ‘could be’ countless others who would not admit doing so and it probably won’t matter whether the repeated image has won previous challenges or come 3rd, 4th, 5th or wherever in them. They ‘may’ still vote it down.
The same person who kindly supplied the above link also sent me this one, from which I won’t quote here:
In closing, except to wish you happy shooting yet again, I’ve neither the time nor inclination to add anything to what I’ve said here and above. Bye for now...
jcmarfilph: Great challenge but once again somebody got spanked by idiot voters. You don't vote the brand but the photo. You don't look at the exif and vote your favorite camera. You don't give 0.5 vote to pull down someone. It has been a great pleasure joining your challenges Stevie. This will be my last as I feel voting system is still full of magic.
For what it's worth, I agree 100% with your view, ysal. As far as I'm aware, very few escape low voting in any challenges.
Although I don't enter my own challenges, I know for sure that a few of the entries I've made in other host's affairs have been subjected to low scoring and there could be any number of reasons why anyone marks an image down. It could simply be that they do like it, or they've seen it in numerous other challenges, or it could be sandbagging amongst many others.
Most of what I have to say on the subject can be read here: http://www.dpreview.com/challenges/Entry.aspx?ID=805260&View=Results&Rows=4
I've nothing else to add at this time, except to endorse your belief that, currently, the best way to beat the vote-manipulators is to keep entering the photos.
Regards to all who enter my challenges and/or read my comments. Bye for now...
If you read my first post again, you will note my stating: “Although there’s arguably nothing wrong with entering the same pic multiple times, I can see you’ve now used this (or a very similar) photo on five occasions.”
That statement does not imply in any way that there is a rule where entrants ‘MUST NOT’ submit a photo from a previous challenge. Thus far, no such rule has applied in my challenges.
I merely go on to give potential reasons why your image ‘may’ have received a few low votes. I suggest that some people don’t like to see the same images in different challenges and therefore ‘may’ vote accordingly.
No explanation of as to your only visiting the festival once to obtain said image was required. No defence is necessary. I am not judging you here. I am merely expressing an opinion as to why your entry came fourth, and for what it’s worth I agree that if low votes are cast deliberately to bring down overall scores of certain images, it is a shame.
Happy shooting to ya...
Nice shot ysal.
I like this image. Whilst I sympathise that some questionable voting may be going on (which is something I’m attempting to look into), it appears to be occurring only in a minority of cases.
As the challenge host, I say well-done on your deserved third place. As a keen wildlife fan, I appreciate how difficult it can be to grab some subjects, especially as they're just about to perch up. Nice one.
As the challenge host, I have to say that this is one of my favourite images here. At the very least, a well deserved second place if ever I saw one.
As the challenge host, I say well done on taking first place here.
kkardster: It's great to see the variety of entries here - many that are nowhere near the "superzoom" reach. It just shows how versatile these gems really are while also showcasing what these "pinhead" wonders are capable of.
I completely agree kk. Although it would be unfair of me to disclose which images I like up to now, there are some splendid entries in this challenge, regardless of the focal lengths at which they were shot. Cheers...
Indeed there was ysal, and I can assure you that I won't be arranging another at MAX focal length. The first was an absolute nightmare and very time-consuming to host, save to mention that over half the total number of images posted didn't make the voting stages.
I believe that kkardster's referring mainly to the diversity of content in this particular challenge, and I have to agree. Not, of course, that I've ever been in any doubt as to what these 'pin-head' sensor cams are capable of in terms of image output and regardless of focal length. :-)
kithg: How can we tell what camera took each photo? I'm very interested to know.
Hi kithgThe system is designed to not give away the camera make and model until voting’s over. As far as I’m aware, the same should also apply re the photographer of the image and I must say I completely agree with the process, least of all because this should help to reduce the number of folks who would happily attempt to sway the voting in their favour if such information were visible from the off.
As I say, I like and am all for not knowing giveaway details in advance of voting, regardless of whether I’m hosting or entering other challenges. And of course, I naturally wouldn’t dream of entering the challenges I actually set up and host myself. Hope this helps.
Cheers and happy snapping to ya…
ysal: What a beautiful image, such gorgeous colors!
So let me get this straight, this newly born moth is already mating?? Or did the second moth just happened to be there?
Yes ysal, your last sentence is correct. The other moth was already there. But for the record, I do have a shot or two of the hatchling all by itself, with the second one out of frame and further down the grass stem. Cheers
RuthC: This is a great photo, Stevie Boy Blue, of the two moths, and it deserves to be in fourth place. (None of this socialising and flirting with other moths, or fluttering around to choose your mate.....be there waiting for the lady to hatch!) Beautiful colours and textures in the capture. Ruth :-)
Thanks Ruth. I only just noticed I'd come fourth, as I'd forgotten I'd actually entered the challenge. Thanks for hosting it. :-)
barb_s: Another good challenge. I'm sometimes amazed at the quality of these cameras. I have not pulled the trigger and bought one yet, but there's compelling reasons to consider the Panasonics and the Fuji camera's too when I look at the top finishers here. THanks for hosting these suprezoom challenges.
Hey Barb, thanks for dropping by with the appreciation of my hosting these things.
Indeed, the quality of the all-in-one superzoom cameras can be truly astounding. I can’t speak for any make other than Panasonic because they’re the only manufacturer’s models I’ve owned (5 or 6 FZ incarnations since 2004). To me, they offer such great value for money and I actually prefer the portability of a superzoom to generally heavier DSLRs.
I’m sure you don’t need me to tell you it’s all a matter of compromise and levels of available light for these small sensor jobbies, but these challenges are designed primarily to show the quality attainable with this type of machine. Despite some nice images from the challenges I've set up thus far, I like to think that the best is yet to come. ;-)
Cheers and thanks again...
As the challenge host, I say very well done and congratulations to you, Red Rocket. A worthy winner indeed. Regards, Stevie Boy.
WDLCooper: Hi,Would a Panasonic HDC SD60 Full HD 1920X1080 in picture mode be considered a fixed lens small sensor camera?ThanksWayne
Hmm, that’s thrown me a bit, Wayne. I’d not really considered that anyone might want to submit a camcorder image. But as I can’t see there being more than a few at most, why not? As long as it shows EXIF data and the camera is identifiable by such information, if you have an image you’d like to show, feel free to upload it when the submission stage begins. Cheers…