Nope. I am a real fan of rangefinders: lighter, faster, noiseless and beautiful on top of that. But, honestly, for $1,300 I don't want to be tied down to what some Japanese engineer decided would be my lens. I want options. So, either interchangeable lenses or a zoom. If a zoom, at least 5:1, so maybe 28-150 or something like that.
In essence, I'm describing my X20 with a large, real, honest to goodness, sensor.
AlexRuiz: I have come to the conclusion that these forums are the hang out place for expert photographers and legal counsels. LOL
Probably because many of us have taken the trouble to get educated in our basic rights. Education is really cool, Alex, it gives you knowledge.
jhinkey: I see nothing inherently wrong with citizens photographing/making video of public servants performing their duties as long as:(1) They do not interfere with the police action(2) They, while photographing/making video, do not shirk their citizen responsibility to act if needed to assist the situation if necessary - meaning don't stand there with a camera while someone is getting beaten, abused, needs medical assistance, etc.Though I'm an avid supporter of the police in general, they are human too and bad apples need to be rooted out. Here in Seattle there have been multiple incidents where the police clearly have gotten out of control or behaved inappropriately - as well as many equal incidents where the people the police are trying to arrest are out of control. Taking images of police goes both ways - both supporting the police AND supporting those being arrested, etc. by the police. People tend to "behave" better when recorded - and that's a good thing.
I don't see how any photographer can be an "avid" fan of the cops. They pulverize our civil rights any time they can get away with it
A huge amount of credit goes to Carlos Miller and www.photographyisnotacrime.com or www.pinac.com he has done a huge amount of work, fighting, taking legal action and in general not allowing the police to whittle away at our civil rights
The logical conclusion should be that the format, sensor size and system you ultimately choose need to respond to your individual present needs and future aspirations as a photographer.If I were a war photographer, for example, I would use a small rangefinder, big sensor, probably non interchageable lens with a good 5:1 zoom and quick aperture. If I were a high fashion photographer, maybe I would aim at a medium format. Depends on what you do.
MarcMedios: Utterly stupid. More money than brains, that's for sure. Then again, people buy Leicas...
You must be thinking of a parallel universe dougigreen. Every article on modern Leicas usually stresses:
1. Optics not that great2. Ergonomics, and esepcially menus, not that great3. No viewfinder
And by the way, unique doesn't automatically mean better.
EduardoKleinFichtner: I do not know why people complain about Leica cameras. Envy? This is a masterpiece, pure design, pure technology, pure engeneering. Is it expensive? Yes. But, if you can do it better, just do it!
More like pure bull sh*t to me
bronson: The conversation that SHOULD have taken place at Nikon Marketing....
"People let's think of the most gawd awful product we can produce, estimate how much damage in dollars it could do to our brand, then NOT produce it, but instead, use the money we just saved to donate to a worthy cause".
"How about a gold plated camera?"
Next is Leica
Utterly stupid. More money than brains, that's for sure. Then again, people buy Leicas...
Iam1of2: Yes, but what have they done to improve the base processes like providing curves, smart objects, 16 bit processing, etc. So far, all I read is that they have provided "fluff" for work that could have been previously accomplished by a little extra step or two in the past couple of versions. Nothing here of value for me. I'd rather spend $50 on "Elements XXL" which adds about 200 Photoshop features to Elements as a plugin.
Could not agree more with you. Fluff.
perivalepaul: If I upgrade it will be from version 9.
Two questions, do you you think it will be of benefit from 9 to 13 and does 13 contain the pen tool ?
I'll be using it for photo work and very little if any video.
Well, I use 11 and I find it way way better than 10, which is what I upgraded from. Where I see the difference is in the enhancements, the conversion to B&W and the actual user interface.
So nothing professional, just a bunch of amateur stuff.
For my money, they should have a full set of curves. Actually, all I would want for Elements is:
1. Real curves2. Ability to write "actions" (Macros)
Anzere08: What was the deal breaker for me since the X10 has been the on/off process (you have to turn the lens to turn the camera on or off). I tried the camera for a week and it became annoying. It doesn't allow you to use the camera with one hand. I was hoping for the third generation they would add a classic on/off switch like on all their other cameras.
yes. That is a real pain. Royal actually.
MarcMedios: I bought the X20 at $600 and have never ever looked back. It is an amazing camera. There are two areas in which I found it to excel:
1. Street photography, where the camera is as unobstrusive as it gets yet, the fast lens and lack of shutter lag deliver time after time
2. Concert photography, where the fast zoom and ability to set manual controls quickly provide a huge advantage. In many concerts I find myself outshooting other pros with 7D's and such.
The X30 will definitely be in my replacement list
Absolutely. the NEX would have an edge on 2 things: extended ISO and less noise I think.
However, I am not an absolutist, I don't think this is a this versus that choice. I liked the X20 for many other reasons, one of which was that it fits well in a pocket.
And, basically, I just liked it. The NEX I liked (I haven't kept up to date on them) was the NEX 7 which I think was almost the perfect camera at the time.
To my original point, I love the camera: it is great for street, great for concerts but I would never venture to say it is the "best" for either. I just happen to like it a lot.
MarcMedios: Meh. What's the point of spending a ton of money if your other photographer friends are not going to salivate?
darngooddesign... must be awful to be you! Living life literally. You can't recognize a ribbing comment if it bites you in the ass.
Ozyzy - In a concert situation, i find the X20 will hold its own against SLR's on a couple of fronts:
1. Very small, non-intrusive so what I find is that I can go straight into the musicians and shoot from a few inches (don't ask me why, but when I do it with the SRL they all "pose" but not with the X20)
2. The motion cancelling is strong on the X20, so I don't have to push as hard
In both cases, I find myself shooting with the same lens range; with my 60D (which is my "concert" SLR) I use the 24-105 F4 almost exclusively now; the X20 has pretty much the same range. I find that I don't need any longer lens (after all, I am onstage with them) though I would welcome a wider low end.
But, hey, that's me. And I use both, the X20 and the 60D. I hardly ever take the 7D to concerts; I like the articulated screen on the 60D and, frankly, it is my "cheap" body
Meh. What's the point of spending a ton of money if your other photographer friends are not going to salivate?
I bought the X20 at $600 and have never ever looked back. It is an amazing camera. There are two areas in which I found it to excel:
Excellent article --certainly it taught me a lot. From the many posts below it seems to have hit a real need. Thanks.