forpetessake: Fascination with retro will come to an end as soon as manufacturers find out that their new cameras are not selling any better than their predecessors.The fake pentaprism on mirrorless camera is like a saddle on a cow. The 30 y.o. controls is a dead evolutionary branch, discarded in DSLRs many years ago. Fuji would have better return on investment if they finally made a good grip, which wouldn't require attachments, and touch screen LCD wouldn't hurt either.
Because manual controls that worked perfectly for decades are suddenly "retro".
I still prefer a Nikon F3 to my iphone for photography, sorry.
But regarding the pentaprism - that might be really a saddle on a cow, but in the end the analog pentaprisms didn´t always followed the form of the glass inside it.
Even though I don´t like fake SLR designs like the Olympus OM-D and prefer my X-Pro1, this camera looks pretty damn good!
Well done Fuji Design Dep.!
I hear it will be weather sealed?
Sean65: If I remember right, my Nikon D700 had one firmware update in four years. I used to be proud of this as it suggested 'how right' Nikon got the camera, first time round.
Fuji have a different approach. It's more like 'live R&D'. It's not a good thing in most cases. Fuji seem to be balancing on the edge of greatness but ALWAYS get let down by their designs.
I with you 100% on the shutter button issue.
But remember, 3 years ago, you would have bought a camera and whatever feature "that should have been there in the first place" and wasn´t just wasn´t there and the camera stayed that way - because you bought it as it was.
I wish my Canon 5D Classic would get an AutoISO update - would be perfect for me, but hey - even though it was a 2800$ premium camera in 2005 you NEVER get a new feature for it via an update. Buy the 5D II or the 5D III if you want AutoISO :P - that´s what other manufacturer say.
Anyway I would have bought and use the X-Pro1 with it´s original features, even with all the quircks. That it is now effectivly a 2013 camera is just pure joy ;)
Thank you Fuji for taking photographers seriously and listening to them!
This is great - I´ll keep my X-Pro1 and recently bought 2 more lenses!
Depends: some stuff is just bugfixes, but lots of it are real improvments and even new features! New features from Nikon you´ll only get, if you buy the next Nikon ;)
Mikael Risedal: Nikon has not optimized the 58/1,4 regarding resolution
Wow! I´m talking about the optical achivment here. This lens is still cheaper than cinematic lenses, so I guess it´s well worth this price.
And wow: Nikon, you lens ahhhm doesn´t look even close to the Zeiss measures ;) No offence. I´m sure it´s a good lens in it´s own rights even for ahm wait 1500$? I´m looking forward to see Nikons real picture taking abilities.
But the Zeiss Wow!
ekaton: Wrong pick, by about one country mile. The X100 was quite something when it was released into the market place some 3 years ago, warts and shortcomings included. Since then, Fuji tried to surf on the X1 wave with follow on products with declining success, X10, X20, XPro1, XE1/2. The IQ of the x-trans sensor is not compelling, it only shines at high iso in comparison to mft and meanwhile mediocre standard aps-c sensors, albeit at the expense of details. Fuji has to go to the drawing board to gain customers back. Sensor, performance, build quality look ordinary these days, yet prices don`t.
Yes, Canon and the shadows...I sold my 5DII and kept the 5D Classic...
But I heard the 6D now has the shadows in control - not as good as the Sony sensors but hey...
Nice, thank you.
Yes - really!
And the Fuji XF-1 you´re talking about is a compact camera - we are talking about an APS-C size X-trans sensor here.
I had the X100 before and the X-trans is even better - resolution and DR. DR is better than my old trusted 5D Classic (which I still have and love) by a small margin and better than the 5DII DR, which has ugly shadow DR IMO - period.
Strange - my X-trans is at least on par with my Canon 5DII in regard of details...and has better DR.
If that´s mediocre these days - wow, what camera you are using is better than?
Collie Camp: Either you love or you hate these Fujis, it seems.
I used the X100, X-E1 and now the X-Pro1 and I love them.
so true. i´m waiting for the speed too - can´t be so hard to make them as fast as a good dslr.
Vizio Virtù: I'll never understand for what reasons people are so enthusiastic about these crappy mirrorless cameras. OK, they look nice but image quality - especially skin tones and skin texture - is so bad.
so when you talk about bad technique - why could I handle one camera better than the other ;) ? I get razor sharp shots from my Canon - but the NEX surpases it in resolution terms in RAW.
"Either of these cameras given right conditions is capable of exceeding NEX7 capacity, even more so as NEX7 got rather poor sensor in terms of resolving details..."
is simply not true at all. According to "imaging resource" the Sony a850 has a measured RAW max resolution 2150 lph, the Canon 5DII max up to 2200lph and the NEX7 is capable of up to 2400 lph.
And that result reflects exactly what I am seeing. I think, you are not informed very well.
The NEX7 is just incredibly sharp at pixel level. Noise? Not as good as a full frame dslr. there are allways tradeoffs.
You are happy shooting DSLRs? Me too, I love the view through the Viewfinder...then I switch to smaller cameras again and love their size.
They are all good cameras IMO.
If you call a Canon 5D Mk2 or Sony a850 old then yes.
But as you said, you can´t change physics, there are vibrations, even at fast shutter speeds. And if you use an electronic shutter like the Sony Nex7 in my personal experience, you´ll get incredibly sharp results.
moimoi: A crazy expensive camera with the horrid X-trans sensor (raw conversion still produces artifacts), no thanks...
Well, Lightroom may be the worst of the bunch, but it´s not as bad as everyone says nowadays. Maybe they did some more tweaking.
Aperture, Capture One and PhotoNinja are a little bit better.
My RAWs are at least as sharp as my 5D Raws.
Either you love or you hate these Fujis, it seems.
I have the opposite impression: my mirrorless cameras are actualy sharper than my DSLRs - no mirror vibrations and lighter AA filter I guess...
bigdaddave: Yes I'm sure it's very nice and fun to use, but even that one picture of the dark haired woman shows the camera's severe limitation, a fixed semi-wideangle. It's nowhere near the best focal length for that shot and is already distorting her image
Quite how you can all blub over a camera with such limitation in 2013 is beyond me.
You have a f 2.0 zoom? I don´t think so. Ever heard of bokeh? Not with your Canon G1X I guess...
Being a Canon and a Fuji user, I doubt that your G1X will be anywhere near the sensor quality of the X100s - sorry.
DXO Sensor score GX1: 60 vs. Fuji X100s: 73
I have no problems with the x-trans RAWs and use them all the time:
Apple Aperture, Capture One and Lightroom 5 - all good.
Regarding the price: the lens alone is worth the money, but you get a great sensor and a hybrid finder for free ;)
Ozwork: Where is the aperture ring? I do not want retro or retro sake. I want a camera that is as functional as the 1970's models. Manual dial for Shutter speed Aperture and ISO. Miss one and you miss the point.
On the Fuji X-Pro lenses ;)
I think, Fuji got the retro right.