ChrishsChan: I have the chance to play with the A7 and A7r last Sunday at the Sony promotion in Vancouver. I used a SD card of Class 10 for both of the cameras. I found the A7 performance is acceptable for it's features and value. For the A7r, my first impression with this camera is totally unacceptable. The Sony guy told me the camera is a pre-production one, no idea whether it is real, I don't think Sony will let people play with such a camera if they want people to buy it. My conclusion is dead slow. I did three continuous photos, then, the camera image processing became very slow to respond. It took at least one minute before it could give us a result (photo) display on the LCD screen. Hope this is for a pre-production one. How can it match with other full frame cameras.
I did see Gordon Liang test, I used his test for information only. I remember when he test the Nikon D7000, he said it is no good for speed, so I did not buy the D7000 at that time after I saw his test. I save my money and buy two other cameras, the D600 and the Fuji X Pro1. Actually, D7000 is a very good camera too, but thanks to him.
If the Nikon D800 can work with class 10, how come Sony can't. I found Sony has the problem of slow performance with their other cameras. Like the A99, when switching on the camera, you can count 1 to 10 before you can see the camera is full functional. Try it at any Sony Store.
I have a D800, not a problem with the speed using SD card class 10. I did mention, may be it was a pre-production model. You should go to a camera store, see whether you have a chance to test one by yourselves, no just talk.
I have the chance to play with the A7 and A7r last Sunday at the Sony promotion in Vancouver. I used a SD card of Class 10 for both of the cameras. I found the A7 performance is acceptable for it's features and value. For the A7r, my first impression with this camera is totally unacceptable. The Sony guy told me the camera is a pre-production one, no idea whether it is real, I don't think Sony will let people play with such a camera if they want people to buy it. My conclusion is dead slow. I did three continuous photos, then, the camera image processing became very slow to respond. It took at least one minute before it could give us a result (photo) display on the LCD screen. Hope this is for a pre-production one. How can it match with other full frame cameras.
M Jesper: I sure hope there will be one for Fuji X-Mount as well !
Yes, you can find one for Fuji X-mount at eBay, I bought one last year when I was in HK for approx. $80-. well built, made in China, the sales told me, should be originated by Korean. I like it very much.
markb3699: Some people can't get over the fact that others have different opinions and that their view isn't always "right." It reminds me of the discourse following articles about the president, which often becomes guttural and caustic.
Lot of people can't admit they have made the wrong buying decision. Anything they have are the best, actually not. Can't accept others opinion.
vodanh1982: Now I understand why people are still making small sensor cameras with slow lens. Most DPReviewers are high end users and they feel bad about it. However, the manufacturers view are to sell the most to the population which are "point and shoot" users. They want a non-blurry image for a whole frame (they have no idea about bokeh), not too much noise, and an affordable price. Yes, it is difficult to satisfy all.
If you were the owner of Panasonic, will you do the same, make more money. If Panasonic thinks what you think, the company will go bankrupt :0(
cashewNut: As long as it is made in China, then I am not a part of this vision even if i am alone on this. I am going back to Nikon D7000.
You re those creating hatred amoung races. Don't go Walmart, Target etc, no iphone, ipad etc. You don' know anything about WWII.
cashewNut: I assemble my own computer and most of the parts are made from Taiwan, Indonesia, Singapore, and Philippines etc. My Samsung plasma tvs are made in Mexico. I try my best to avoid made in China products. You have no idea how many floor standing electric fans that still look new but don't work at all that we have in the basement. I installed a made in China Haier air-conditioner and the same story. No more for me. Enough bad experience with made in China products. Olympus Om-D is not cheap. I get more value with Nikon D7000. Just my opinion.
Same as I hate those made in US cars too, I had very bad experience with US cars , when I drove it did not move, no re-sale value, not reliable. I have a Haier frig. it runs for over 7 years without any problem until now. You guys were poisoned by the propaganda. All you frig at home were made in China, only the brand is not, check the back of the frig or air-conditioning.
smatty: Still no minimum shutter speed setting in Auto ISO!
Fuji, why haven't you been listening to the hundreds of requests from X-Pro 1 (and recently XE-1) users for the past year?
And even dpreview has pointed out the lack of this feature...
No wonder, I only have the 35mm f1.4, I have to check with my friend who has the 18mm lens. For 35mm, there is no limitation on shutter speed. Also, I don.t like auto ISO, if you use it, can not capture the mood. Exposure always enhanced by the chips (computer). I only change the exposure compensation dial if I needed. I use old manual lenses a lot too, e.g. Leica, Minolta, Nikon etc. I have no problem for this computer gimmick.
Don't understanding what is SS setting in Auto ISO, This is a half manual camera, I think if you need that why buy a compact camera with fully auto function ? I always set it to Aperture Priority to get the best DOF.
Upgraded, my X pro1 does not miss a shot. great. Manual focusing using AE/AE L is very quick.
Rudypol: my 35mm update does not work
use an ordinary SD card, not those class 10 or higher, see the following link too, I have the same problem at first camera did not recognise. http://www.fujirumors.com/
Woland65: This must be the stupidest thing I have seen a company do in a long time. Total brand suicide. I can only laugh and hope that they pull out quickly before they do permanent damage to the brand.
On top of everything else the camera is also darn ugly. What on earth were they thinking? This camera is nothing but an insult to the current customer base of highly skilled professionals.
(I am swedish and I can guarantee you that this was not designed in sweden, if anyone wondered.)
If I am Sony, I will not sell the components to them to make this camera, usually, the shipment must be on credit, will not have the money back from Hassel, who will buy this urgly thing. Sony, it is a bad deal. If I am the boss of Hassel, I will fire the designer right away.
magneto shot: made in china...and u expect Leica quality.dont jump on new things by new companies and be wary of "buy buy buy" as signaled by some blogger / reviews.
As also mentioned below in one of the comment :http://lavidaleica.com/content/slr-magic-hyperprime-lm-50mm-t095
Made in China, so, they can sent people into the space, a lens, why not, you are too outdated.
Ema2010: Very handsome and impressive looking camera. Hope the outcome images will match the exterior look.
The image quality should be one of the best, I have no doubt about it, I have the XF1. Buy one.
Great to see those improvements. Will update my XF1 once launched.
wootpile: Excellen first entry into the mirroless market by Canon. Smart positioning - provides a second body for current lens owners, provides a stylish (matching leather cases) colorful and easy to use small camera for new shooters. And - it is competitively priced. Under 1000 at launch for 22 + adapter.. more like 800 once the hullaboo settles.Someone wrote in the m43 forum a post on why Canon will take over the M market . I totally agree. Canon is offering a excellent sensor and compatibility with their lens line. Shame on Nikon (I am a Nikon owner) for choosing the 1 inch path which can only go so far and offers ridiculous bokeh.
No electronic viewfinder is a big mistake, how can you hold a small camera with big lenses using LCD for composing, speically under bright sunlight.
I have my X Pro1 for a week, like it, had issue with the OVF/EVF was solved by Fuji quickly. Photo quality is super, the AF is a bit slow, if you know the habit of the AF, it is OK. Actually, I like to use manual focusing. This camera is not for action photos, best for portraits/scenery. Only issue is the diopter, should have installed the adjustment dial for this costly camera. I need one, have to check with all the camera shops in my city. I dare not to buy it from eBay, don't know what type is right. I need to phyically test one first. At last, bought a +3, no choice, not that good. Did some research later, the diopter with the camera is -1. I need a +2 for my short, long & blur eye sight. Same issue was happened when I bought my Bronica ETR. Even I got the advice from my optometrist, still not work. Diopter recommended by Fuji is from Cosina, is not easy to find. Nikon old FE/FM works. Fuji should have this for free. Also, user manual is not perfect, too simple & miss a lot..
spikey27: You mention built-in flash as though it is a plus for the Nikon or drawback for the Canon.
Perhaps, but mechanical interlocks have a downside, requiring more complicated controls and internal space, while making the camera slightly heavier and more expensive.
My 20D had problems because of the built-in flash, used for perhaps 2% of the shots taken. I consider those problems far outweigh the convenience.
Hence, on a camera with a high effective ISO there is little need for built-in interlocked flash.
Use the space, money, etc to improve something else.
The 20D is an old machine.