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mick232
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mike kobal: wake me up when Canon introduces a Nex-7 competitor
May I call you Sleeping Beauty now? Because you sure are going to sleep for 100 years.
mjkerpan: Offhand, it looks like they got _almost_ everything right: 14-bit RAW, a proper hotshoe, a metal body, a fast pancake kit lens, on-chip phase detection (as well as contrast detection for those who value accuracy over speed), "support" for third party adapters, and an interface that's both simple for the newbies while offering plenty of manual control for those who know what they're doing. Two things give me pause, however. First is the fixed rear screen, which just plain seems cheap and which rather limits the flexibility of this camera in the field. Second as the lack of any sort of provision for an eye-level finder. While I can understand not including such a creature in the body (good electronic finders require expensive components and not everybody wants one), to not even have one as an option is a bit puzzling.
As for "fast" kit lens.
Explain that to a newcomer to photography. "Fast lens? WTF are you talking about. I'll go for the NEX so I can zoom from 18 to 55mm".
Everyone understands the concept of zooming. No newcomer will understand what a fast lens is.
Professor999: Acoording to techradar,
'According to Canon UK's David Parry, Canon is aiming the EOS M at a new market - people who want to get a bit more from a camera than a compact model can offer them, without the complication or bulk of a DSLR. It's for people who want to take better pictures, but who don't necessarily consider themselves photographers or want to become photographers.
Parry doesn't think that the Canon EOS M will erode sales of the Canon G series of premium compact cameras, because these models have more direct controls with dials for features such as exposure compensation – which could put off inexperienced photographers.'
Chicken and egg problem - most people will only understand the benefits of a prime lens after spending some time with an interchangeable lens system.
Newcomers will not buy that camera because it "just" has a 22mm lens instead of a handy zoom lens.
Eleson: Any info available on possible 3rd party lenses?
Or on other adapters?
One of the biggest thing with the NEX is that there is adapters out there for every Coke bottle since Jesus was i Kindergarten. and that have attracted alot of ppl/enthusiasts who enjoy MF shooting.
All the adaptable lenses have already been bought for bargain prices by NEX owners. ;-)
mzillch: STOP MAKING THE GUTS PERPENDICULAR TO THE OPTICAL PATH, JAPAN!
It's too bad designers have a locked mindset that the configuration necessary for the motion of film from one dispensing cylinder roll, flattened out for the exposure film plane, and then re-rolled onto a cylinder on the other side, is STILL maintained in this day and age, yet electronic cams no longer HAVE film so the design is simply nostalgic and a force of habit!
People want the most compact and pocketable forms possible, but insisting on the main body being perpendicular to the lens optics doesn't achieve this. EVIL cams should evolve to the shape and design consumer camcorders more typically employ, where the whole thing is held more like an American football or a trumpet, with the added benefit of not having to cock one's wrist 90 degrees if the cam is held up at head level.
EDIT TO ADD: We hold monoculars this way (or binoculars if using only one hand) so dont give me any "It's less stable your way" BS.
The light goes through a lens and hits a sensor which is perpendicular to the light path.
This is exactly how the system is built. If you want to change that, the resulting system will probably not be smaller but larger.
peevee1: Somebody used a 32-bit int to represent the S/N... Who knew that somebody else decides to make the serial number not really serial (unless they really produced more that 2 Billion 60Ds). :)
Yeah, and they call that a "phenomenon". This makes it sound like something unforeseeable. When I was young we used to call things like that "bugs".
Don't worry, there's nothing wrong with your camera. What you see are just phenomena! Hilarious PR stunt!
But I have to admit that we sometimes attributed unexplainable events to cosmic radiation. Same thing I guess.
Canon EOS-1D Mark IV and Nikon D3S also got 89% each in Feb. 2010.
peevee1: DPR, comparing 5D3 with D800... D800 has got lower score on "features". What features does D800 miss in comparison to 5D3?
That was the only way they could justify the politically correct identical scores for both cameras.
82% just like the D800. That's what I call politically correct. No frustrated fanboys, dpreview's user base is saved!
The solution would be easy, even without WTO doing anything.
Sell the camera with a 30-minute limit and make available an updated firmware that removes the limit.
"Making available" can be anything from an official download to accidentally "leaking" the firmware.
Zvonimir Tosic: Sony seems to be really bored. It seems company's imagination room has been made into a rest room.
D3s is a low-megapixel sensor with good high-ISO. What's so great about that?
The challenge is to build a high-resolution sensor that performs good at high ISO. And Sony has done exactly that with the D800 sensor.
Zvonimir Tosic: Sony seems to be really bored. It seems company's imagination room has been made into a rest room.
@HowabouRAW:
So, Sony does not make ALL sensors for ALL cameras. Wow, what a finding! Nevertheless their sensors are innovative if you compare with Canon (hint: 5DM3) or Nikon. Foveon or Fuji sensors are certainly innovative, too, but if you read my statement again you'll notice that I said "out of the major SLR/SLT manufacturers". I don't count Sigma or Fuji into that group.
The fixed mirror is a transitional technique on the way to getting rid of the mirror completely when on-sensor PDAF becomes available. But that's clearly more innovative than building basically the same cameras like 8 years ago, isn't it
Zvonimir Tosic: Sony seems to be really bored. It seems company's imagination room has been made into a rest room.
Out of the major SLR/SLT manufacturers, Sony is clearly the most innovative.
Sony's sensor innovations alone justify this statement. I don't even have to get started about SLT or the NEX system.
mick232: You people seem to ignore a couple of things:
1. there is more than one workaround available (don't open TIF files from untrusted sources, scan TIF file with virus scanner)
2. fixing a bug in old software is more expensive by orders of magnitude than in upcoming or current software; even if the fix is a one-liner, the software has to be re-built, re-tested, re-released. Don't underestimate the effort needed for all these steps. These processes have to be re-run for the fix whereas with software currently being developed they run anyway.
That is why any software company will assess the severity of a bug. No company will fix any bug, even if it is a security issue. That's just how it is and all your rants are not going to change it.
@58volts: this piece of legislation is not applicable since software is not a tangible good. Refer to:
http://www.computeractive.co.uk/ca/consumer-rights/1931491/isnt-software-covered-undere-sale-act
@SevenStepsSouth: Read my last paragraph again. I wrote: you are not going to get a fix for all bugs. That doesn't mean you can't get a fix for individual bugs and you may even achieve something by making enough noise, but I never denied that.
Dan Nikon: I had such a great time shooting some 35,000 Kodachrome images in just 4 years using Leica cameras and glass, but now that that film is gone, there is NO reason to use the overpriced stuff. You can take a D800 and 35mm 1.4G and match the Leica look in post in a matter of minutes if not seconds.
I'm sorry, but in the digital age, there is no reason whatsoever to use Leica with the way they have priced this stuff. 7 grand for a 50/2 that in the hands of the talentless hacks in the Leica forum on this site? You have seriously lost it Leica. getting rid of that stuff was the best thing I ever did.
I guess the 80:20 rule or 90:10 rule no longer is true with such a lens.
Get 80% or the performance for 20% of the price?
No, I can get 95% of the performance for 1% of the price!
You people seem to ignore a couple of things:
1. there is more than one workaround available (don't open TIF files from untrusted sources, scan TIF file with virus scanner)
2. fixing a bug in old software is more expensive by orders of magnitude than in upcoming or current software; even if the fix is a one-liner, the software has to be re-built, re-tested, re-released. Don't underestimate the effort needed for all these steps. These processes have to be re-run for the fix whereas with software currently being developed they run anyway.
That is why any software company will assess the severity of a bug. No company will fix any bug, even if it is a security issue. That's just how it is and all your rants are not going to change it.
thejohnnerparty: A quick read on software companies - Lazy, greedy management with one goal: get it out there quick, never mind the problems. When people discover problems - let customer support deal with it. Done. Move on.
And how is that different from any other company that sells stuff?
No company will fix a product that has been already sold unless they have to (warranty) or you pay for it.
It is very similar with software. You can get bugfixes for critical issues and if the software is not too old. You can also pay for a support contract and will get fixes much later or fixes for problems that only affect you.
Eigenmeat: The AA filter is way too strong... I still don't why manufacturer pay AA filters on such high density sensors... Compared to the NEX7, the pixel acuity is way inferior. I think Nikon crippled the D3200 on in purpose to protect D800 sales.
Yes, I know sharpening can even the different to some degree, but sharpening always comes at the cost of making noise more visible...
I compared RAW and JPEG shots (in the low ISO range). In my opinion, the D3200 comes in last when compared to other existing 24MP APS-C camers (A65, A77, NEX7), with the NEX7 clearly winning. No surprise, price-wise it is in a different league.
plasnu: Better dynamic range than 5d3?
Yes, at least at low ISO. It is the NEX-7 sensor, which beats the 5d3 in dynamic range at ISO 100-400.
Tord S Eriksson: Never heard of AfterShot Pro before - I am going to try it out (free for a month), as I like simpler programs, like iPhoto, even though I have Aperature, LR4 and Bibble5 (which AfterShot Pro is partly based). But IPhoto just has become too big, recently (takes a lot of harddisc space!).
You won't notice much difference between Bibble5 and Aftershot Pro (good thing actually)!