JohnEwing: "...the company’s recent misfortunes aren’t due to increased competition."
Yeah, and the decline of the small compact camera market has nothing to do with the rise of smartphones.
Everybody who wants a gopro has one. It is more like what has happened to Samsung's smartphone sales. The upgrades used to be a big deal and made you want the newest version.
4k isn't really a tangible thing for most people. If they have a 1080p60 gopro already, they don't have a compelling reason to upgrade.
sh10453: I think it would have been more logical if this WERE an update to the CM1. Something like this:
20MP 1-inch CMOS sensor F2.0 aperture (Leica lens) 24-135mm equivalent focal length ISO 80-25,600 4K-video Raw capture 3.0MP front camera 5.0-inch 1080p display (or better) Android 5.x XXX octa-core processor 4GB RAM 16, 32, 64GB memory options microSD cards up to 128GB 3200mAh battery
The LF1 is a 1/1.7" sensor, not 1". The original rx100 had something similar to what you suggested and the lens protruded quite far even when retracted. It would change the form factor entirely.
Alphoid: And I was totally waiting for the CM2 to clean up a few of the major issues (modern Android; ideally, Google-backed, and having some way to make it pocketable without scratching the lens.
Seems like Panasonic is moving in a different direction.
I know what you mean. I was waiting for 4k/24fps or 4k/30fps, maybe some kind of lens cover, a faster processor and a better screen. I think they are reasonable expectations, but Panasonic decided to make a camera phone without the phone!
Nice one Panasonic! Someone should tell them that the camera in the CM1 was great *FOR A PHONE*, but not great compared to dedicated 1" compacts. This is not going to sell very well.
It would be twice as big as an rx100 iv - that is a pretty huge phone. I think that they are already coming out with an rx100 competitor which has similar specs but is not a phone.
EthanP99: Would this be a good beginner camera for my son?
You blew it Fujimoto!
HSway: These repeating arguments sound all the time, a few points:
"This is the essential problem with pricing this lens so high."
>There is nothing equal to this that is cheaper.
"Never before have there been so many affordable lenses for long lens photography. The Tamron 150-600mm and the Sigma lenses of this focal length changed everything. Now it was possible to get excellent image quality at an affordable price. Nikon responded by producing the very aggressively priced 200-500mm f5.6, which is nearly half the price of this 300mm f4."
>If you want to look for various alternatives that are less expensive you will find some options to make do with.
"Yes the m4/3 system has advantages when it comes to reach."
>MFT has no such 'advantage' in isolation. But it builds its alternative and characteristic imagining on it. Whether that results in advantage is everyone’s decision.
I presume that English is not your first language but "racist" is an extremely strong and loaded word. I don't want to sound like the though police, but in English speaking culture it is a word that should never be used lightly.
People do make jokes about racism, but it is such a delicate subject that I probably wouldn't even attempt to make one if I was not a native English speaker. The vast majority of the time you will just make your audience feel awkward or they may presume that you are racist. Most native English speakers avoid jokes about race because of their delicate nature.
This is just advice. I know several of my foreign friends who have struggled with finding out which line not to cross with jokes so I thought I would say something. (I don't think anyone here would think you are racist, so don't worry about that).
Anyway, have a good day!
yslee1: DSLRDashboard and a TP Link MR3040 says hi.
I know. That costs $35, has live view and full control over the camera. You can download full size RAWs and JPEGs to check your settings. It even has timelapse integration that adjusts exposure based on the light level.
If a superior solution already exists, why would they continue with the project? Their time would have been better spent making their own version of DSLR dashboard and getting it into the apple app store.
Maybe they could have found a little router that uses wireless AC to speed up the transfers. That would be amazing.
I don't get why people can't handle that this is not an advert. They are spending more time looking at the most advanced camera with the most advanced sensor that has ever been made (35mm at least). It is actually good enough to be a professional movie camera as well. That is just amazing any way you look at it.
I don't have any investment in the Sony company or Sony gear, but I can recognize when a camera is a game changer. There are cameras that represent a leap forward - the 5Dmk2, D800 and this are the ones that come to mind from the last few years. I would expect each of those to get a similar level of coverage if they were to come out today.
Anyway, we live in an extremely exciting time for camera gear. Stop complaining and enjoy it. You can always skip the sony articles, but you can't say that they are not popular or justified - just look at the number of comments on each of them.
I may be missing something, but it looks like you have posted the video in 1080p and not 4K. Is that deliberate?
zsedcft: I think the problem is that the areas in which the 5DSR should shine (architectural, landscape) are the areas in which dynamic range and noise let it down. The only reason to get this camera is if you are a landscape photographer already heavily invested in the Canon ecosystem. That is a lot of people. but even some of them would probably get better looking pictures with a A7Rii and an adapter.
I think that Canon need to look at putting Sony sensors in their next version of this camera and use their own sensors for all of their lower end cameras. That way they could keep the pro shooters (and the associated "red ring" marketing that they have always enjoyed) and still keep the profits margins from the lower end cameras.
I am not a Sony troll. I do not shoot Sony, I shoot with a Nikon D800. Your user name outs you as a Canon troll anyway. If Nikon were trying to push the same poor dynamic range on us as Canon are on their users, then I would be urging them to use the Sony sensor, too (which they already do). I would have probably already changed to another brand if they kept making $3600 cameras that perform worse than a 3 1/2 year old camera that you can buy used for $1400 (D800e) or $1100 (A7R).
The AF area via the adapter is unimportant for the kind of photographer I talked about. Buildings and landscapes don't move very fast so you tend to use liveview and manual focus anyway. I don't understand what the mediocre photos in the first flickr set have to do with anything. You can actually tell the difference in dynamic range between the pictures I took in lower antelope canyon and the ones you have posted - that is with web colors and resolution! You can see blown highlights in "the chief"s face
I think the problem is that the areas in which the 5DSR should shine (architectural, landscape) are the areas in which dynamic range and noise let it down. The only reason to get this camera is if you are a landscape photographer already heavily invested in the Canon ecosystem. That is a lot of people. but even some of them would probably get better looking pictures with a A7Rii and an adapter.
zsedcft: Did that guy just admit that they shipped software that they knew didn't work? That is pretty bad.
It sounds like these ones were pretty crucial to the running of the software if they release a patch within a week and issued an apology. I can't think of a reason why they would put out software that they knew was bad. It is not as if it was a new product release being pushed out for the holidays. It was a .2 version of the software, so not even a major version.
They should have just help off until it was fixed. I seem to remember Apple doing that a few times with major version releases that get way more press than Adobe.
Anyway, this has just further validated my decision to stick with lightroom 5.
Did that guy just admit that they shipped software that they knew didn't work? That is pretty bad.
zsedcft: The footage looks awful - much worse than a go pro from the sample on tech crunch. It has to be at least 1" sensor or nothing because these tiny sensors just can't handle the dynamic range required for outdoor filming. It's a pretty neat package apart from that, though. Maybe they could stick the sensor from the rx100mk3 in a "pro" version.
Awful was probably too strong of a word. I should have said "not good enough for paid jobs". I'm sure people will have fun filming themselves, but this price is maybe a bit beyond the casual market.
The footage looks awful - much worse than a go pro from the sample on tech crunch. It has to be at least 1" sensor or nothing because these tiny sensors just can't handle the dynamic range required for outdoor filming. It's a pretty neat package apart from that, though. Maybe they could stick the sensor from the rx100mk3 in a "pro" version.
This is a good reminder to the negative commenters on the previous post that you should make a lot of noise if a company has made an obvious error. It does make a difference sometimes and the major companies do monitor photography forums.
Well done Sony and well done DP Review and all of the people who have been pressing this issue.
Number 10 is incredible. Well done!
photoaddict: Sony, when are you going to give A7RII users a lossless comopression option?
You really don't think that they monitor forums? They won't post themselves, but I am pretty sure that they read most of these comments for potential PR issues. Why wouldn't a camera company read a comments section that their buyers read?
Market research costs a fortune if you initiate it yourself. These forums and comments sections do the same but cost Sony no money what-so-ever.
I don't get why they don't offer the same option of 14bit RAW uncompressed, lossless compressed and Lossy compressed as Nikon do. I can get 800+ 36MP, 14 bit lossless compressed pictures on a 64GB SD card, so space isn't an issue any more. Maybe lossless compressed is a lot more work, but they could at least offer the uncompressed RAWs until they figure it out.
They could even base their marketing material on the buffer size of the 12bit compressed RAW mode. At least give people an option.
Hopefully this article gives Sony the impetus they need to address this issue.
The EOS-m is a great little camera. Sure, the AF is glacial, but it takes great pictures and you can put magic lantern on it and have an amazing timelapse/motion detect camera. It's also cheap enough that you don't have to worry about breaking it as much as you do with a $3000 full frame DSLR. I bought a speedbooster for mine so I can use my full frame nikon lenses and I get pretty incredible results.
I'll probably get the M3 if it drops to $300 and the guys at magic lantern are able to successfully port it to the camera. I'm glad that Canon have finally brought it over to the US.