mosc: I still don't understand the point of <$1000 ILC cameras (with lenses). The kit lenses are crap and they're not likely to see other lenses. People with lots of lenses are going to spend a little more on bodies. There are no lenses that take great pictures, are cheap, and fit compactly on a body like this besides primes and as much as I focus on wide angle shooting that just doesn't cut it. Carrying around a couple primes with this already prices you into a different class camera which takes up a whole lot more room.
A lot of cameras are making less and less sense to me. The only ones that make sense anymore are cell phones, RX100s of various marks, the FZ1000/RX10, and at least a mid grade ILC (E-M10, A6000, 70D, etc)+ worthy of more money in lenses than those ILC's cost.
It just seems to me like this is either a bad RX100 (with it's kit lens) or a bad E-M10 for not much less money.
@mosc:1. Wait a few more days. Panasonic will release a 4/3 compact with fixed zoom lens.2. The PL7 makes a lot of sense, if you want a camera that is as capable as an E-M10 but still a bit cheaper, cause the EVF is left out.3. Oly's kit lenses are not crap. An E-PL with kit lens will still beat any phone or RX100. Use a prime lens and you have the same IQ as an E-M1.
mosc: 12mp sure isn't much resolution for a stills shot these days. Comparing the detail in the A7S shots to the A7R at base ISO is... staggering. The A7S is a very specialized camera to me. I have much less interest than I did.
HFLM:I think downsizing is only an option for evenly lit scenes.See studio comparison with 810 downsized:http://preview.tinyurl.com/oqpqb3n
Sony has quite an advantage here in the shadow areas. Brighter areas look quite similar though.
@mosc: I think 12MP is enough for most professional use cases, esp. when the final output are print media.If you need more, pick another cam. But what good are 30MP if you mostly have to shoot in low light conditions?
I think Sony made a smart move with this: No other company offers two bodies with such different specs. I can imagine professionals buy both models, provided that the lens selection is enough for them.
dash2k8: Another $0.02: after a certain point, AF becomes meaningless if one gets into movie making. Wireless focus racking starts to steal our money, and all that's left is image quality and detail. As Philip Bloom said, "Autofocus will never work because the camera doesn't know where I want to focus."
@Lucid: Yes, you can use "tap-focus", but only if you are satisfied with the resulting quick jump between focus planes.
I guess most professionals prefer controlled, manual focusing.
IEBA1: "In terms of video features, the GH4 looks slightly better equipped, whether in terms of a handful of pro-orientated features or the provision of more, and higher quality, output options. ... a7S look more attractive as a camera if your workflow is expected to include significant post-processing. The addition of a (currently expensive) external recorder also allows the a7S to close the gap ...
Beginner videographers are likely to find the a7S's Auto ISO in manual exposure extremely useful, ... We'll look into what a more experienced user can do with the cameras"
PLEASE decide who your review is for before writing it. Paragraph 1- Pro features, significant post processing, expensive external recorder.Paragraph 2- Beginner videographers.
These cameras are designed (and priced) for people who use them professionally to earn an income. An A7s + a separate, external 4K recorder is not something the beginner typically goes for. Write your article for pro users.
@IEBA1:AutoISO is very useful - esp. for videography.A blunt statement like "It's manual!" does not change this fact.Some manufacturers offer it already for stills. You think their engineers are all stupid?
Excellent sensor and lenses, but I think the camera handling suffers from size and lack of buttons. Tried it today in a store, but would rather take GM1 (if it had proper flash management).
marc petzold: If only the prime would be f1.8 instead of 3.5....for 300 bucks the nx-m wouldbe great together with the zoom & the prime lens..perhaps when the successor comes out in 2015...
Marc probably means the 9mm prime.
Sdaniella: Canon dcam (and EOS LV dSLR) shooters are used to Full-Time (not part-time) ES-LV (Exposure Simulation Live (Pre)View) for exposure determination using the image sensor (not a light metering sensor of Auto-Gain framing-focus-only LV (auto-EV0)).
This makes any basic model Canon makes with such FullTime ES-LV, whether non-superzoom, or budget superzoom, or high-end superzooms competing with very limited choices, say with 1080p:
1) Competition with themselves (new Canon models vs previous Canon models: 3)2) Competition with others: SONY model (just 1)
No other mfr of the same superzoom category 24mm-500mm+ has FullTime ES-LV:Nikon has 0 modelsOlympus has 0 modelsPanasonic has 0 modelsFujifilm has 0 modelsPentax has 0 modelsothers 0 models
at any price category
they may offer a more awkward to use part-time "brief preview" ES-LV (half-depress shutter button to see it), or most likely none at all (no ES-LV whatsoever)
"if you have to half-press the shutter then you have only part-time ESLV"I would not call it this way, because only DOF is "part-time". Exposure is live.
"DoF should be available full-time"Not on a cam with contrast AF. A stopped down aperture would slow AF down. On most compacts, DOF is rarely critical and AF more important.On a DSLR with an F1.8 lens, live DOF preview is surely more useful. Most have a button for this.
"adjusting speed or ISO or wb without use of opaque menu-only interruptions should show instant shift in sensitivities and exposure"Works so on my Oly Stylus models.
"but degree of blowout brightness of a particular color or total whiteouts"Don't understand you here. Blowouts of individual colors?
"long exposure simulation in low light should accurately exend to at least 4 to 6 seconds"Would make no sense i.m.o., as this would freeze your view.This is why Oly offers "Live Bulb" function. This is standard with Canon?
I'm sorry, but I still don't see your problem. I just tried with XZ-2:It shows a rather good representation of the resulting picture and blown areas are highlighted. When I change exposure, it changes live view accordingly.I also see white balance and even DOF (by half-pressing shutter).Limitations:- in dark situations (e.g. exposure times >1 s) the preview on the LCD is a bit too bright - I don't see 100% accurate colors or noise. This is only feasible on a large screen with calibration.
I also have a C-5050 with a Sony sensor and remember that its LCD preview was much less accurate.
Sdaniella, maybe I misunderstand you.In my opinion most compact cams have what you call ES-LV: They constantly show a live preview of current exposure settings. Some even show a live histogram.
Or do you mean something else, e.g. aperture preview?
quiquae: Never ceases to amaze me how people keep waltzing in to give self-righteous pontifications about this low-end superzoom that they were never going to buy anyway.
@BarnET: OK, G1X has a weak spot at 24mm, but which kit zoom is perfect?Size: To me thickness is crucial, as I want to carry a camera on my belt. Some people even use their pockets.G series is still much thinner than µ43. GM1 is a nice cam, but has limited flash use and gets deep with a standard zoom.I'm ok that you say that these models do not offer the right features to you. To others they do.
PS: I did not say, that you mentioned "not decent". This was in mpg's post that I originally answered to.
BarneET, I never had the G1Xmk2, but read quite positively about it - esp. about corner to corner sharpness and low noise.S series is smaller than RX100, has touchscreen and is faster.Size of G series is probably intentional for better handling. LX7 is a bad comparison (though a good cam) because of very limited zoom.Every cam has strong and weak points, but saying that Canon's compacts are all not "decent" is plainly wrong.
@mpg: 4 years? You're a being bit harsh.Although I am not a Canon buyer, they have some nice cams, too:G1Xm2, G-series, S-series.
eestlane: no need to find excuses not to upgrade to d810its your problem if u dont have moneyits absolutely way to upgrade, i did, and i have now d800, d810 and 5dm3its no sense to have 1 body and change lensesd810 has 300f4 constantly ond800 has 85mm 1.4gand 5dm3 135 Li dont care about wide lensi want to see closer whats over there, where u cant go
Yeah, great idea! By this way you can even cancel your membership at the local gym!
UnitedNations: Fuji X100T is coming out soon. With its expected improvement over the x100s, why even bother with a Leica camera anymore which is way over priced for what it delivers?
Why even bother about X100T when there are excellent µ43 cameras with a great assortment of lenses?
You see, you prefer Fujis, others prefer Leicas. There is no 'best camera' for everyone.
Maverick_: Very disappointed! Perfect reason why no one uses the MF4 for stills professionally. The images are just a couple of notches above my cell phone pics.
Top MF3 cameras will only be used professionally for video use. And hence the top grade video features on this camera.
BTW, I use a Pana GH and totally dislike its image quality, but it's great for video.
@Maverick: Not a troll?Maybe you should start arguing instead of simply posting silly claims like the one with the smartphone... then you might be able to convince others that you are NOT a troll.
There's always something utterly idiotic about these Nikons:V1 had a crippled mode dial this one has fiddly micro SD.
I'd really like to meet the guy at Nikon who is coming up with these "features".;-)
chiane: Another slow 14-42 kit zoom. How many does that make?
@Steppenwolf:You should learn to understand the context. Chiane spoke about zooms. So did I.
Do you really think I did not know about primes?
Is the lens even better than the pankake from GM1?
How many bright pancake-lenses do you know?Small and bright does not work together - at least not with current technology. Buy the 12-40/2.8, if you need it.