mick232: So if I upload 100 pictures, I should now upload 2.5 GB of data instead of 200 MB? No thanks.
The issue is that some people want everyting (even impossible things like uploading RAW pictures using the same space of JPEGs) and what's more usually want it for free.
panoviews: I would buy a Nokia with a plain Android OS and the possibility to root the device - but never with a Windows OS.
They didn't go bankrupt only because Microsoft bought them just before they would!
CyberAngel: How many Android Phones have OIS?HTC OneLG G2others?I would really like to see a video comparison between these andLumia 920, 925, 928, 1020 (,1520)
For now, only the One and G2. There are rumors about the Nexus 5... as it might use the same camera module of the G2.Unfortunately, AFAIK there are no serious comprehensive OIS tests. Btw, since the effectiveness of the stabilization depends on the hardware of the camera module, it is not correct IMHO to say that "the androids only do up to 3 stops", since the OIS is independent from the underlying operating system (i.e. it might be true that Nokia's OIS is better, but if it is so it's only due to better hardware and this does not mean that a future android with OIS could not be on par with the Nokias), just like it is not correct to say "the nokias" because the 808 and 1020 have different camera modules and their OIS hardware could be different as well.
No, thanks! This reminds me of the ancient times when websites worked only with Internet Explorer because Microsoft used their own standards, and if Google wants to become the new Microsoft then I prefer not to use their services.
Frank: A cool decision from apple to not follow the Megapixel Hype.Bigger sensor, same pixel Count = better IQ. Who don't manages to make good pictures with 8 Megapixel will not do with 36 or 80. 8 Megapixel are enough to print a real good 30x45cm (11x17") print. But only if you have a good IQ. Apple did understand what that means. Or why do you think a Nikon D4 has the underwhelming spec of only 16 MP compared with a Nokia with 41... Or a Canon 1Dx only 18!
Since Dpreview was bought by Amazon... such headlines as underwhelming specs are more and more common...
Good headline would have been - Apple focuses on Image Quality instead of useless higher pixel count. There are lot of things to comment critically on the new iphone but not the camera...
DXO tests measure the quality of optics and sensor... of course there are many other things that contribute to image quality, but learning when you should keep your hands steady (or when there's really not enough light to take a picture without a tripod), learing to focus properly and learning which settings you have to use according to the lighting conditions are different problems! :)
The problem is that the GS4 and LG G2 deliver better results with 13mp (look at the DXOMark test of the GS4), the truth is that there is an optimal value for each sensor size and year after year as sensor technology improves. So, if the 20mp of the sony Z1 are probably too many, tests have shown that the 13mp of the GS4 and G2 are the best compromise and actually deliver more detail.
JWest: Did I really just witness a serious photography site open an article by criticising a device's megapixel count?
Let's say that there is always a point where noise cancels the advantage of having more megapixel. But this point is not 8mp today, at least with the best sensors. So, if the Z1 seems to have really pushed the number of pixels too far and produces very noisy images, and the Nokia 1020 delivers good images only when the 41mp are reduced to only 5mp via pixel binning, the LG G2 and GS4 deliver sharp and clean images with 13mp, which have already surpassed the 8mp output of the iphone 5, because the extra pixels actually deliver more detail and resolution.So an 8mp sensor today is just not the best you can do. A good 13mp sensor can actually deliver more detail, even considering the higher noise. Just look at DXOMark's tests! A photography site is serious if its judgements are not based on dogmas (like more mp = less quality) but on serious tests, to determine *when* more mp = less quality (i.e. how many pixels for each sensor size) and year after year as sensor technology improves .
Tonkotsu Ramen: mr rehm, where would you "rank" the image quality of this phone if you compare it to the iphone 5, galaxy note 2, htc one?
So far, the results don't look too different from what i can acheive from my note 2, which is a bit underwhelming.
I don't know... they look soft even when they are downsized... really, there's someting strange here. The detail just isn't there when you look at 100% crops, and you can't invent what is not in the original image. Maybe the noise was really too much and the NR is really too aggressive. The output is not so bad at full size with other phones, and when you downsize the images they look sharp, but with the Z1 they simply remain soft... but let's wait for studio comparisons.
jcmarfilph: It is more of sympathy than appreciation. Had you not mentioned that this is a work of autistic, I am pretty sure bashing will go all over the place.
I thought the article was not about the quality of his "work", but about how photography helped him to communicate... and also, maybe, find a meaning for its life...
Menneisyys: Guys, have you checked out Sony's comparisons to other cameraphone flagships at http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/legal/testresults/xperia-z1/ ?
Your opinion? I think SONY is lying to us when stating their Z1 has beaten all other models. Why?
For example, the "Baby asleep at ultra-low light " is HIGHLY dubious. All the non-OIS cameras produced severely under-exposed images as was easy to predict. The Lumia 920 opted for a much longer exposure because of its OIS. However, the Z1, which does NOT have an OIS, just can't reliably produce an image as shown in the test. It'd either need ISO 25600 (which would be noisy even on APS-C) or, with ISO 1600 or 3200, an exposure of about 0.5s.
It's fully impossible to shoot a tack-sharp image with 1/2s shutter speed on a non-OIS device with 28mm equiv FoV.
I haven't examined the other results but I'm afraid they're equally flawed and can in no way be taken seriously.
The main problem I see is the bad, really bad quality when the images are viewed at 100% size: look at the leaves, for example... the image looks almost "pixelated". I don't know if the problem is the noise reduction or compression algorithm, but certainly it would have been better to have a 13MP sensor with decent output (someone said GS4?) than a 20MP sensor with such a bad output at pixel level. Of course, when images are viewed at "facebook size" these artifacts disappear, but facebook audience is not exactly the target of an advanced cameraphone.As to the baby test, some phones need to be used in night mode when it's darker, so making a test with the default settings only is just a way to forge the results you want.
LOL at the price! :) With Google Glass coming for probably less who would buy this?
IMHO the zoom is a better use for the volume rocker, hope that at least this will be customizable...
jtan163: So what will the Nexus 7 mean for photographers.Spec sheet.Doesn't really suggest any particular way that the Nexus 7 will be particularly different for photographers.I usually skip these posts because I don't care about spec sheets.But since this article is titled to suggest that it was going to discuss how the tool might be used or change the status quo for photographers, I thought I'd take the chance.Stupid of me.I know it's a slow news week.
Ok, there are two distinct websites:- dpreview, for camera related stuff- connect, for smartphone/tablet related stuffIf you don't want to read about smartphones and tablets, why do read and comment articles on Connect?
GURL: 323 dpi ? that's a lot of dpi !
I'm quite doubtful about images on a 7" 1920x1200 tablet being actually better than 1024x768, 163 ppi ones. I'm using a 11" 1920x1200 tablet and, as I'm VERY short-sighted, I often use it at a very short distance from my nose (like 8" ~ 20 cm) and can't discern any pixel.
Besides that 7", 11" and even larger tablets having the same screen definition is good news: I'm tired to have to use the "Request desktop site" option and having to use apps designed for a much smaller phone screen.
A 5 MP camera is more than enough for a 2.3 MP screen if (but only if) the lens is not not good enough for "crop-zooming".
:-) I would like to glue a compact Wifi + NFC camera to my tablet but hopefully Nokia will market a Pure View tablet before that...
Oh, come on, if you think that there's no difference between a 1024x768 tablet and the nexus 7 (even the "old" generation) then you have never tried one, or… it's time to get a new pair of glasses… :-)
dylanbarnhart: The old Nexus 7 is plagued with quality issues, especially with the screen cracking by itself. Let's see if Google improved the build quality on this newer version.
Cracking by itself? LOL.. let's say that people probably put the tablet in their pockets… we have 3 nex7 in the family and didn't run in any quality issue.
Expat Nomad: "Save your money and rather use the money on a nice street photography vacation/trip or buy some street photography books." +1.
+2!Many people are more insterested in the tools (cameras) rather than in photography itself. Having the latest brand new camera is nice, being on a trip to an exotic place where you can take brand new pictures with your old camera is priceless.
I can't understand... Rhein II in my opinion is worth NOTHING, it's something anyone could have done in 1999, and it's probably something many of you have done (including myself)... you just have to remember the works that Franco Fontana did in the 60s/70s!
Since when I noticed that ANYONE can review a product on Amazon even if he/she didn't buy it, I simply skip user reviews on Amazon.
El Cajun: "apeture"? Could a writer for Digital PHOTOGRAPHY Review be troubled to spell one of the most basic photographic terms correctly? Or how about using spell check?
I'm sorry - this makes it hard to take the author seriously.
so you really think that a typo means that the whole review is worth nothing and the author is not to be taken seriously? Really, some people write in forums only to complain about something, whatever it is, they're happy only when they can spot something that's wrong.
dennishancock: I find Nokia's whitepaper on the Lumia 1020 to be pseudo-engineering without any math--a.k.a marketing hype--and only serves as the latest example of elucidation through obfuscation. It might serve to make the clueless feel they're purchasing some advanced technology, but really, how is Bayer sensor interpolation noise overcome by (electrically noisier) oversampling?
the answer is in the samples: what do YOU think? I think that they are impressive, for a smartphone, and even better than most entry level compact cameras. And I've been looking at hundreds (if not thousands) of samples form cameras and smartphones during the last 10 years. If only the phone had Android, it would sell a lot, unfortunately it has WP. I'll wait for the Moto X, that seems very promising.