tompabes2: Two turkeys don't make an eagle.
(follows)Yes, they copied what the others did... after some years, canon entered the ILS market that they had underestimated, and microsoft entered the mobile market that they had underestimated as well. But they haven't been able to regain market share in a market that had been conquered by others already (google, apple, sony, panasonic, olympus...).What can they achieve if they collaborate? Nothing new. Because neither of them has been able to innovate the market recently there's not any reason to think that together they could behave differently.
I'll elaborate... Microsoft and Canon are two companies that are "old", meaning that they have an old mentality and old ideas.Yes, they are leaders in their sectors... Microsoft is still an ICT leader (everyone must have at least one windows pc, and office is still the leading office suite, and windows is the most used corporate OS) while Canon is leader in the professional segment.At the same time, they haven't been able to innovate the market during the last years. Microsoft missed the mobile revolution and windows phone is struggling and has a ridiculous market share, while Canon missed the ILS camera revolution and hasn't been able to produce a proper pocketable enthusiast camera (no, the S90/100/120 aren't, regardless of how good they are I'm talking about someting like the sony rx100 or olympus xz-2, i.e. large sensor with fast lens).(follows...)
Two turkeys don't make an eagle.
Sonyshine: Why would you buy one? It's only designed to make you keep shopping at Amazon. Surely that is not chat any sane person desires?
Exactly what I thought. At least, it should be heavily subsidized by Amazon, just like Google is doing with the Nexus line. But this phone, even more than the Nexus, seems just a gateway to Amazon shop and services.
Bexter: This site is going downhill with these silly articles and multiple previews.
The problem is: does this pay off in the long term? I started following dpreview severall years ago, when it was the best review site of the internet. Now I find myself visiting the website very rarely, simply because... there are not reviews anymore. Cameras get reviewed after many months, if they get reviewed at all. Many interesting cameras during the last years have never been reviewed, and in many cases cameras get previewed but the review never arrives. That's what I think the OP meant.Remember how this site became famous... it was not by generating traffic by casual users with unboxings or stuff like that, but by generating high quality traffic from loyal users with reviews that were regarded as the best and most comprehensive camera reviews.
photofan1986: Is it me or is this last batch of samples much better than the other one? I mean, IQ wise. Those look really terrific.
Well, they've found a way to recycle at least a small part of the unsold phones... :)
OMG... they put so many things together (big sensor, compact size, popup EVF, fast lens, flip display...) that this could really be the ultimate enthusiast compact!
Hi guys, with the Sonys in manual mode you have to set the "Image Stabilizer" option to ON to go above ISO 400.
tompabes2: Or you can just get an Android phone and download Camera FV-5. ;)
LOL... iFans... always looking for excuses.
Tie myself in a knot? I might be wrong, of course. But either you don't believe what I said or, if you do, you have to explain how exactly NightCap's long exposure is superior or different than Android's long exposure.In case you don't believe me, since an image is worth a thousand words here's a "long" (half second) exposure taken at native sensor resolution with camera fv-5 and an xperia V:https://www.dropbox.com/s/5q4clgkievbx70o/DSC_0044.JPG
Neither does iOS... if you read the article it says: "In Night mode, shutter speed can be set between 1/3 and 1 sec, depending on your device". That's their definition of "long" exposure...Android supports up to 1/2 second (at full resolution), which is not so different.
Or you can just get an Android phone and download Camera FV-5. ;)
I wonder how they would prove that I used exactly that setup to take a picture! :)
riskinhos: not waterproof no microsd slot no irda no usb3.0 no wireless charging, no many other sensors. no tkx.
would you pay twice the price for the things you mentioned? I wouldn't. ;)
Well, some important things that the comparison table does not report are the amount of RAM (2GB for the Z1 vs. 1,5GB for the s4 mini and 1GB for the one mini) and the fact that the chipset, besides being a Snapdragon 800 vs 400 (that is, a chipset designed for a flagship vs. a chipset designed for entry-level phones), also has a higher clock speed. What's more, even the GPU is better on the Z1c.The Z1c is really in a different league... it's the only one that is a true flagship in a compact body. The other two are just overpriced mid-range phones.
Anastigmat: I fail to see how taking away color information improves a photograph, especially a snpashot.
The shots are good, this can't be denied IMO. Interesting angles, technically well executed and they deliver the message, which is quite an achievement per se for a photographer.
Martin_PTA: I have both a 16Gb 5C and a 32Gb Galaxy S3. Both are great devices, but if they weren't on contract and I had to choose between the two I'd take the less expensive one. If I had to choose between an 8Gb 5C and a 32Gb S3 at the same price I'd take the S3. I'm thus doubtful if this move by Apple will do much to boost sales because 8Gb really isn't sufficient for a relatively advanced handset such as this.
Martin, I'd say that the majority of iphone users do not even know how much memory their devices have. What's more, they just use it to take some pictures, send whatsapp messages, check facebook, watch youtube and play candy crush saga. The most advanced users use it to listen to some music, but I know some people who have also an ipod, because the ipod is an mp3 player and the iphone is an iphone.What they don't know is that they could do the same things better (i.e. on a bigger screen and with much longer battery duration) on a good Android (a good one, of course, like a nexus 5, lg g2 etc) for half the price. But for these people, the 8GB 5c will just do fine.
SergioMO: Why is it for ???? Want to take a real photo ? Sony RX100 or something like that ! Don´t waste your time.
You didn't even look at the pictures, did you?
undergrounddigga: Will be interesting to see how will Apple cope with the competition. The others are much more open to collaboration (e.g. Sony-Zeiss, Nokia-Nikon?). Apple has a huge ego, and probably would be time to put that aside and build some lenses with Leica or Olympus. At the moment, they are kind of falling in the same mistake Nokia has, when they didn't realise the power of smartphones. Lots of people will buy certain phones, just because of their better photo capabilities.Not that I really care, I buy phones every 8 years, and I really hope I won't have to change mine for another 6 years.. :) From a business perspective however, will be interesting to see where is Apple going to be in 5-10 years time. I do use apple products, such as their personal computers.. absolutely love them. Maybe they have built such a strong computer and music (iTunes, iPod) market that until someone major challenged those, they will always be ok
Well, with Android 5 Google will probably open the entire image processing pipeline to OEMs and developers, so I guess that camera apps will be able to implement their own algorithms. I don't understand why it took so long for Google to realize that this step is absolutely necessary, anyway if they really do it Android will offer someting that the even the iphone or WP do not offer, that is, every camera app will be really different and won't just be a different interface like it is now. Then, Android users will have an incredible choice.And if you have a Nexus 4, Nexus 5 or another high-end smartphone that will be updated to Android 5, you might be able to use those new features, though of course it's simple speculation at this stage (we don't even know if Google will really open the camera API yet).