boring pictures...how do some people get included and not others? seems like an editorial slant (probably by accident?)...anyway, it makes the site seem a bit amateurish, frankly. and dpreview is the BEST...don't get me wrong.
I cry foul in principle. You're an Amazon company, no matter how you butter it. Recuse yourself.
rfsIII: In my opinion DPReveiw is leading readers down a dangerous dead-end path with all this "equivalent aperture range." The whole silly business started with a post on one photographer's website and has now grown into a weird cult of people who are angry all the time about f/stops and love to argue with anyone who doesn't profess unwavering faith in their precepts. And worse, it completely misses the point of the exposure triangle. To get more out of your camera you need to understand the relationship between f-stop, shutter speed, and ISO but this new religion you people have adopted throws that out and makes readers think that the surface area of the sensor is in some undefined way related. Converts go on and on about twice or four or 16 times as much light hitting a larger sensor than a smaller one as though that matters. Unless you are dealing with bellows or other real exposure-changing variables, from an exposure point of view it doesn't matter what size sensor you use.
You finish with the problem of your argument--it's NOT about exposure. The size of the sensor relates to the geometry relative to the lens and incoming light through the aperture...depth of field. Visual qualitites. That's why a "normal" 150mm lens on a 4x5 inch camera looks (!) amazingly different than a "normal" 35mm lens on a APS-C sensor camera when both are shot at the same aperture.
JohnEwing: Nikon's first step into the mirrorless world gained them firstly a twisted ankle and secondly a Bronx cheer, before a few people began to see that the Series 1 aren't such bad cameras after all, but that was like people taking to Heaven's Gate after United Artists had turned up their umbilici.
Personally, I'd like to see them bring out a mirrorless body based on the S or SP designs, with a full frame or even an APS-C sensor. FF might be better from a marketing standpoint, but an APS-C camera could be very acceptable indeed. They could probably finagle it to have an F mount, too. Large wow factor there: they immediately upstage virtually all the others, especially if they use the folding Ai tab of the Df and make it compatible with a godzillion lenses.
...well, it's nice to dream.
Price, size, convenience, features, on and on...the world turns.
Does anyone else get the vibe that these responses are out of touch? There seems to be a world view that seems 10 or even 20 years out of date. I know, I'm not giving specifics...but just throwing that out there with some despair, since the camera companies really need to set trends, not discover them later.
He's been saying that since the early 1970s. And I believe him. But I also know I was made to hate war more directly because of his work. That's something.
Brilliant and meaningful. Thanks.
Hmmm...read the comments and I want to pipe up and say "nice review!" You dance around the issues because they might in fact not be cut and dry, and I like that. The info is given, the comparisons great (though throwing in the Otus would have made a LOT of sense here). Much appreciated!
SeeRoy: These videos are puke-inducing. I've owned and used Nikon gear for decades (not exclusively) but this campaign and this me-too retro-cam are evidence of a company that's lost its bearings completely. Or are the consumers out there really that dumb?
Henry, do you hear what you are saying? :)
rumors suggest a price of 3K dollars...let's hope that's wrong. simple should also mean affordable, right?
presumed specs here:http://nikonrumors.com/2013/10/28/nikon-df-camera-rumors-recap.aspx/
ecm: Hm. I looked through the samples and thought, "The Fujifilm is getting it's butt handed to it by the likes of the Olympus E-M1 and Canon 100D" - and then I read the article's conclusion.... there's a disconnect between what I see in the comparometer and what their conclusions are.
I suppose it could be the lens - I've been fooled before by a fantastic lens on a so-so camera here at DPR - but it looks more like over-agressive noise reduction to me. The green feathers are a blur at any ISO.....
I also recognize that ultimate sharpness and detail is not everything; it's something that I crave, but others might prefer the warm almost "creamy" smoothness of the Fuji's output - with the right subject and at the right enlargement it would be quite nice.
I agree with ecm, and don't see the answer as reasonable. Yes, in some perfect universe, playing even keeps things even. But the eyes show this isn't happening. The Fuji images are simply soft. If some "adjustment" is being made between these results and the final glowing gold medal praises at the end, then those need to be visible here somehow--perhaps with some more optimally corrected (sharpened) examples side by side? As is it chips away at the overall credibility of the testing, which is part of dpreview's foundation.
ArcaSwiss: Who can call that garbage music ? Dreadful !
I couldn't hear it. How can you tell??
Schweikert: All points are highly valid for me except the last -Actually, I think it might work for me-. You should include the ubiquitous: "All of the above" as the last option instead.
I agree the poll was hastily conceived, because I would have voted for several, and we won't be quite clear if the subscription aspect is the key problem or not. Muddy. With good intentions, appreciate that!
I don't like any of it (like a lot of people) and I think the overarching issue is this feeling of being controlled by this big (and hence greedy?) corporation. Just give me the option of a good product and leave me be. Make the cloud an option, sure, whatever, but why does Adobe want to force us to participate and connect and pay continually?
Why complain? More is more. Don't read it if it isn't worth your time. For me it's all interesting. Thanks all around. Now just give us a link to this particular new metric (rather than just the general site) and I'll be really happy.
Another great interview. They're always a highlight, no matter what actually gets said. It's the source, more or less. It's up to us to read between the lines. Very welcome. Thanks!
A superb piece, smart, detailed, great examples, and a topic we are all wondering (or worrying) about! Thanks. Have to appreciate these labors of love.
Offhand, his remarks show both smarts and savvy. A good sign for Nokia. And what he says makes enough sense that nitpicking beyond all this is beyond me. Let's hear from people who buy and use the thing.
Joe P Doyle: Congrats to all who pre-ordered, and congrats to those who cancel. I'm an Nikon fan but I don't believe this crock for one minute, goes to show there's money in selling cameras and training at the moment more money than in taking pictures in the current market. the favourite number seems to be 99999, so Nein,Nne,No for me.I'll wait for 1,999.99 :)Old saying and proverb, the ironyDon't p*ss down my back and tell me it's raining
ha...hilarious...made my morning (in New York, where the dollars seem to be steady for Nikons so far)...