bradleyg5: This is getting absurd dpreview you should be ashamed.
This listing the focal length "equivalence" right next to unadjusted aperture is border line disingenuous.
It is not a f1.8 150mm "equivalent" lens, it is and forever will be a 75mm lens, it doesn't magically become a 150mm lens just because you put it on a camera with a small sensor.
If you insist on listing "equivalent" figures, list the equivalent aperture right next to it so people don't get the wrong impression.
This lens at f1.8 75mm will produce an image on a micro four thirds camera that will look identical to a F3.5 150mm on a full frame camera, for you to imply it will look like f1.8 150mm is flat out wrong and shameful.
The equivalent field-of-view listing is a common nomenclature, used along the whole range of cameras from compact to APS-C.
Evereyone understands its use, a common and well understood practise.
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Posted on May 24, 2012 at 06:51:30 UTC
ZERO, is that the first time they've used that term for their proprietary nano-coating?
I can imagine also the marketing has been a bit more innovative with the wordings this time to emphasize the 75mm/F1.8 is the most engineered MFT lens so far from Olympus. They even give credits to "the progressive techniques developed by Olympus master craftsmen".
Anyway, it seems they've gone several steps extra, in order to perfection this to be the king's class of MFT lenses.
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Posted on May 24, 2012 at 06:02:12 UTC
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Andy Wilson: Is there likely to be any problem with the weather sealing when used with the OM-D? I realise it is only a rubber gasket seal but I'm presuming Panasonic have only put it together with their own (future) weather sealed bodies in mind.
Remember they both are using the identical electromechanical lens mount. So it doesn't matter whatever body, as long as complying to the MFT mount.
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Posted on May 21, 2012 at 06:15:14 UTC
Small sensors aren't necessarily DR limited. Rather they are diffraction limited through their optics. With a bright lens, here f/2, image quality at good light levels, actually has the inherent capabilities to deliver good pictures, which we've seen from other 1/2.3" sensor cameras. Unfortunately, no raw support to further tune the images to the enthusiasts likings.
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Posted on May 11, 2012 at 04:05:05 UTC
Steve 316: The press realease says, "Outstanding image quality." Well, the features are nice, but Olympus has rarely had good results with its 1/2.3" sensors in these waterproof cameras. Try before you buy!!! My Olympus Tough, now an older model, takes pictures underwater no better than a $15 film disposable with a plastic lens.
The Pentax Q is recently tested on http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA.HTM stating that "...at apertures smaller than f/2.8, you're already diffraction-limited, meaning that you have to stay at f/2.8 or larger if you want to get the maximum detail."
At least, this new Olympus Tough TG-1 iHS ruggedised camera has a faster lens in order to limit these effects of diffraction, which taken that parameter into account, bodes well for improved overall image quality.
Unfortunately, this camera lacks raw options, otherwise like with Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ150 (also equipped with a 1/2.3" sensor), it would be possible to taylorize the output image quality to each enthusiasts preferences.
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Posted on May 11, 2012 at 03:49:32 UTC
dtmoody: I bought a Canon SD1100 back in '08/'09 as my take everywhere family camera. Still today its what I grab first mostly because of its size and decent image quality. However, its starting to age (gracefully) and I wonder how this new Tough Oly compares as far as image quality. Any one have any input? Looking at the SD1100 on Amazon, they are wanting nearly $550 for it. I think I paid $150 new.
OT: The first Digital IXUX were terrible noise machines with their small sensors (1/2.7"). Same goes with the miserable PowerShot A500 series, which were the same noise machines as your SD1100, all with the tiny (1/2.5") sensor.
Today's commodity sensor among all vendors P&S cameras is further a bit larger (1/2.3") equals to a 5.6x crop factor, and are found in eg. Pentax Q CSC, as well as in all Olympus Tough cameras. Here with a moderate pixel pitch BSI-CMOS technology sensor, having moderately 12 Mpixels.
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Posted on May 11, 2012 at 03:38:29 UTC
The GPS data logger, paired with an increased battery size, intrigues me. The altimeter/barometer comes as a plus. But I haven't found out, if maps can be loaded, maybe only POIs.
The price increase seems steeper in European currency then in USD, when comparing to other Tough models. That hampers my interest.
The lens design with a side-reflecting mirror claims containing improved optics. Sounds promising for the improved image quality, compared to the lower Tough models.
P.S. RAW is missing.
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Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:30:48 UTC
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Previous Samsung models doesn't do compressed raw format. Therefore their raw files are humongous. It's about time to start compressing their raw files, since all other competitors do!
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Posted on Apr 19, 2012 at 19:44:47 UTC
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Wellington100: Its using the same old 1st generation sensor that has very poor DR. No amount of software trickery can change that. I would rather buy a GX1 with a 14mm lens and have a similar size camera kit but with a much better sensor and lens, for a similar price.
Obviously this new GF5 is hosting a newly developed sensor, based on the low noise characterisitcs first seen in G3 & GX1, which means that it'll have the best per pixel performance of all Panasonic cameras at high ISO settings.
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Posted on Apr 5, 2012 at 08:15:48 UTC
Knight Palm: Good to see that this new 12.1 Mpix sensor is inheriting the low noise circuits first introduced with the G3 & GX1 cameras.
Expect the Olympus consumer line to use this new sensor as well. 12 Mpix is an economical level in managing and storing, and sufficient for most prints.
Of what use is a body only for new customers, which seems to be the target audience for these GF5 twin kits. Upgraders from P&S, not the DPReview savvy crowd.
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Posted on Apr 5, 2012 at 07:55:50 UTC
Good to see that this new 12.1 Mpix sensor is inheriting the low noise circuits first introduced with the G3 & GX1 cameras.
Expect the Olympus consumer line to use this new sensor as well. 12 Mpix is an economical level in managing and storing, and sufficient for most prints.
CFynn: Nikon's most recent Canon G-series copy. I wonder if they will make a bigger version of this like Canon's GX1
It's obvious in a fierce competitive scenario, you got to change the playground.
Nikon moved away from APS-C with their launch of the Nikon 1 (CX) system.
Canon movead away from the 1/1.7" sensor to a complete new playground. Are we expecting Nikon to follow to the 1.5" format that Canon did pick?
Well, when the G12 meets the end of life assignment, only Nikon P7100 will be frozen in at this sensor size format. The new leader here is Fujifilm X10 at 1/1.5" format. Apart from the smaller soapbox cameras XZ-1 & LX5 & S100, that might stay here with their better pocketability.
Canon moved with their G1 X & expect Nikon to reincarnate the P7100 within the CX sensor team.a
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Posted on Feb 21, 2012 at 16:38:38 UTC
Knight Palm: -Does the G1X have any sort of dust- & splash protective sealings? -Does it have sensor cleaning like other larger sensor DLRS cameras?
Unless P&S cameras has some sort of protective sealings, over time they will collect sensor dust. A problem eg. the Canon G series has several stories reported about.
Unfortunately, the end user has very little measures to correct such a problem, shooting at max open aperture can reduce the problem, but it's still there. Small apertures during bright winter sunlit days easily exposes this problem.
The obvious solution is to make the camera with interchangeable lenses.
Re: The obvious solution is to make the camera with interchangeable lenses.
Another solution, albeit probably going to make the camera a bit bulkier, would be to include the sensor cleaning ultrasound method launched by Olympus and later copied by all others.
At first, the sensor dust problem was denied for a long time, nowadays sensor cleaning is a commodity among all system camera vendors.
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Posted on Feb 17, 2012 at 06:39:31 UTC
-Does the G1X have any sort of dust- & splash protective sealings? -Does it have sensor cleaning like other larger sensor DLRS cameras?
Unless P&S cameras has some sort of protective sealings, over time they will collect sensor dust. A problem eg. the Canon G series has several stories reported about.
Unfortunately, the end user has very little measures to correct such a problem, shooting at max open aperture can reduce the problem, but it's still there. Small apertures during bright winter sunlit days easily exposes this problem.
The obvious solution is to make the camera with interchangeable lenses.
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Posted on Feb 16, 2012 at 16:40:04 UTC
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Just at the look of Godzillas Canon EOS-1D X and now Nikon D4, no sane photographer can expect Olympus to follow the same FF135 fullframe sensor track.
Rather be happy there are alternative routes for smaller and lighter weather resistant cameras and lenses, which the upcoming Olympus OM-D promises to fulfil.
It's high time for a relief of the obsession of sensor size inferiority, this time Viagra wont help either.
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Posted on Jan 24, 2012 at 23:45:41 UTC
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Jämtland , Sweden
ogl: 150/3.6 equivalent of 135 format for 900 USD. Hmmm.
I don't think that 150 mm is PORTRAITS distance.
Actually the Zuiko Digital ED 50mm/F2.0 Macro together with the EC-14 TeleConverter has been a popular portrait combo.
Guess what? 50mm x 1.4 = 70mm
Probably the upcoming 60mm/F2.8 Macro pushed this lens up from 70mm to 75mm.
bradleyg5: This is getting absurd dpreview you should be ashamed.
This listing the focal length "equivalence" right next to unadjusted aperture is border line disingenuous.
It is not a f1.8 150mm "equivalent" lens, it is and forever will be a 75mm lens, it doesn't magically become a 150mm lens just because you put it on a camera with a small sensor.
If you insist on listing "equivalent" figures, list the equivalent aperture right next to it so people don't get the wrong impression.
This lens at f1.8 75mm will produce an image on a micro four thirds camera that will look identical to a F3.5 150mm on a full frame camera, for you to imply it will look like f1.8 150mm is flat out wrong and shameful.
The equivalent field-of-view listing is a common nomenclature, used along the whole range of cameras from compact to APS-C.
Evereyone understands its use, a common and well understood practise.
ZERO, is that the first time they've used that term for their proprietary nano-coating?
I can imagine also the marketing has been a bit more innovative with the wordings this time to emphasize the 75mm/F1.8 is the most engineered MFT lens so far from Olympus. They even give credits to "the progressive techniques developed by Olympus master craftsmen".
Anyway, it seems they've gone several steps extra, in order to perfection this to be the king's class of MFT lenses.
Andy Wilson: Is there likely to be any problem with the weather sealing when used with the OM-D? I realise it is only a rubber gasket seal but I'm presuming Panasonic have only put it together with their own (future) weather sealed bodies in mind.
Remember they both are using the identical electromechanical lens mount. So it doesn't matter whatever body, as long as complying to the MFT mount.
Jefftan: f2 is the key
Almost 2 stop better than others
vow!
Small sensors aren't necessarily DR limited. Rather they are diffraction limited through their optics. With a bright lens, here f/2, image quality at good light levels, actually has the inherent capabilities to deliver good pictures, which we've seen from other 1/2.3" sensor cameras. Unfortunately, no raw support to further tune the images to the enthusiasts likings.
Steve 316: The press realease says, "Outstanding image quality." Well, the features are nice, but Olympus has rarely had good results with its 1/2.3" sensors in these waterproof cameras. Try before you buy!!! My Olympus Tough, now an older model, takes pictures underwater no better than a $15 film disposable with a plastic lens.
The Pentax Q is recently tested on
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/PENTAXQ/PENTAXQA.HTM
stating that "...at apertures smaller than f/2.8, you're already diffraction-limited, meaning that you have to stay at f/2.8 or larger if you want to get the maximum detail."
At least, this new Olympus Tough TG-1 iHS ruggedised camera has a faster lens in order to limit these effects of diffraction, which taken that parameter into account, bodes well for improved overall image quality.
Unfortunately, this camera lacks raw options, otherwise like with Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ150 (also equipped with a 1/2.3" sensor), it would be possible to taylorize the output image quality to each enthusiasts preferences.
dtmoody: I bought a Canon SD1100 back in '08/'09 as my take everywhere family camera. Still today its what I grab first mostly because of its size and decent image quality.
However, its starting to age (gracefully) and I wonder how this new Tough Oly compares as far as image quality. Any one have any input? Looking at the SD1100 on Amazon, they are wanting nearly $550 for it. I think I paid $150 new.
OT:
The first Digital IXUX were terrible noise machines with their small sensors (1/2.7"). Same goes with the miserable PowerShot A500 series, which were the same noise machines as your SD1100, all with the tiny (1/2.5") sensor.
Today's commodity sensor among all vendors P&S cameras is further a bit larger (1/2.3") equals to a 5.6x crop factor, and are found in eg. Pentax Q CSC, as well as in all Olympus Tough cameras. Here with a moderate pixel pitch BSI-CMOS technology sensor, having moderately 12 Mpixels.
The GPS data logger, paired with an increased battery size, intrigues me. The altimeter/barometer comes as a plus. But I haven't found out, if maps can be loaded, maybe only POIs.
The price increase seems steeper in European currency then in USD, when comparing to other Tough models. That hampers my interest.
The lens design with a side-reflecting mirror claims containing improved optics. Sounds promising for the improved image quality, compared to the lower Tough models.
P.S. RAW is missing.
Previous Samsung models doesn't do compressed raw format. Therefore their raw files are humongous. It's about time to start compressing their raw files, since all other competitors do!
- Where are the PAL world settings?
-Why is 25 fps missing?
- Is it a hardware problem, or could it easily be fixed at a f/w update?
I read the video specification:
1920 x 1080 (30 fps), 1920 x 810 (24 fps) 1280 x 720 (30 fps), 640 x 480 (30 fps), 320 x 240 (30 fps)
Wellington100: Its using the same old 1st generation sensor that has very poor DR. No amount of software trickery can change that. I would rather buy a GX1 with a 14mm lens and have a similar size camera kit but with a much better sensor and lens, for a similar price.
Obviously this new GF5 is hosting a newly developed sensor, based on the low noise characterisitcs first seen in G3 & GX1, which means that it'll have the best per pixel performance of all Panasonic cameras at high ISO settings.
Knight Palm: Good to see that this new 12.1 Mpix sensor is inheriting the low noise circuits first introduced with the G3 & GX1 cameras.
Expect the Olympus consumer line to use this new sensor as well. 12 Mpix is an economical level in managing and storing, and sufficient for most prints.
Ref:
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemcamera/gms/gf5/performance.html#noisereduction
Of what use is a body only for new customers, which seems to be the target audience for these GF5 twin kits. Upgraders from P&S, not the DPReview savvy crowd.
Good to see that this new 12.1 Mpix sensor is inheriting the low noise circuits first introduced with the G3 & GX1 cameras.
Expect the Olympus consumer line to use this new sensor as well. 12 Mpix is an economical level in managing and storing, and sufficient for most prints.
Ref:
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemcamera/gms/gf5/performance.html#noisereduction
CFynn: Nikon's most recent Canon G-series copy. I wonder if they will make a bigger version of this like Canon's GX1
It's obvious in a fierce competitive scenario, you got to change the playground.
Nikon moved away from APS-C with their launch of the Nikon 1 (CX) system.
Canon movead away from the 1/1.7" sensor to a complete new playground. Are we expecting Nikon to follow to the 1.5" format that Canon did pick?
Well, when the G12 meets the end of life assignment, only Nikon P7100 will be frozen in at this sensor size format. The new leader here is Fujifilm X10 at 1/1.5" format. Apart from the smaller soapbox cameras XZ-1 & LX5 & S100, that might stay here with their better pocketability.
Canon moved with their G1 X & expect Nikon to reincarnate the P7100 within the CX sensor team.a
Knight Palm: -Does the G1X have any sort of dust- & splash protective sealings?
-Does it have sensor cleaning like other larger sensor DLRS cameras?
Unless P&S cameras has some sort of protective sealings, over time they will collect sensor dust. A problem eg. the Canon G series has several stories reported about.
Unfortunately, the end user has very little measures to correct such a problem, shooting at max open aperture can reduce the problem, but it's still there. Small apertures during bright winter sunlit days easily exposes this problem.
The obvious solution is to make the camera with interchangeable lenses.
Re: The obvious solution is to make the camera with interchangeable lenses.
Another solution, albeit probably going to make the camera a bit bulkier, would be to include the sensor cleaning ultrasound method launched by Olympus and later copied by all others.
At first, the sensor dust problem was denied for a long time, nowadays sensor cleaning is a commodity among all system camera vendors.
-Does the G1X have any sort of dust- & splash protective sealings?
-Does it have sensor cleaning like other larger sensor DLRS cameras?
Unless P&S cameras has some sort of protective sealings, over time they will collect sensor dust. A problem eg. the Canon G series has several stories reported about.
Unfortunately, the end user has very little measures to correct such a problem, shooting at max open aperture can reduce the problem, but it's still there. Small apertures during bright winter sunlit days easily exposes this problem.
The obvious solution is to make the camera with interchangeable lenses.
raztec: Put a high res EVF in this baby like the NEX 7n and then it's worth considering.
-It's probably coming, await a GX2?
-Are you prepared to trade the flash for an internal EVF?
Knight Palm: External Flash FL-30?
I've seen the FL-14 & FL-20, but never heard about FL-30! Is that an upcoming flash?
http://www.olympus.se/consumer/21693_pen-camera_fl-14_21790.htm
http://www.olympus.se/consumer/21693_fl-20.htm
http://www.olympus.se/consumer/21693_accessory_fl-300r_24791.htm
http://www.olympus.se/consumer/21693_FL-36R.htm
http://www.olympus.se/consumer/21693_FL-50R.htm
-Do you know, or are you just guessing?
*On the pictures: FL-KM2 & FL-600R are shown*.
-I guess, FL-30 is a typo by dpreview.
External Flash FL-30?
I've seen the FL-14 & FL-20, but never heard about FL-30! Is that an upcoming flash?
http://www.olympus.se/consumer/21693_pen-camera_fl-14_21790.htm
http://www.olympus.se/consumer/21693_fl-20.htm
http://www.olympus.se/consumer/21693_accessory_fl-300r_24791.htm
http://www.olympus.se/consumer/21693_FL-36R.htm
http://www.olympus.se/consumer/21693_FL-50R.htm
Just at the look of Godzillas Canon EOS-1D X and now Nikon D4, no sane photographer can expect Olympus to follow the same FF135 fullframe sensor track.
Rather be happy there are alternative routes for smaller and lighter weather resistant cameras and lenses, which the upcoming Olympus OM-D promises to fulfil.
It's high time for a relief of the obsession of sensor size inferiority, this time Viagra wont help either.