Catalin Stavaru: It seems that the Canon campaign had its desired effect. This article seems to have the largest number of comments in dpreview's history :)
@quezra not even g7x?
shademaster: Finally an answer to the Nikon Df! :P
That was my point.
Finally an answer to the Nikon Df! :P
shademaster: More like: "Who would buy an LX100 when they could buy a G7X?" It's obvious why someone would want an ILC to put on a fast prime or a fast telephoto zoom. What's not obvious is whether the 1/2 stop (effective), EVF, hand grip and hotshoe trump the longer lens, smaller size (jeans pocketable), tilting touchscreen, higher resolution, better relative sensor performance (given its size) and $200 cheaper price tag of the G7X. I'm probably going to go for a G7X for my birth-mas present this year to replace old S95. Not saying LX100 would be bad, but for me, G7X ticks more boxes.
sorry, I forgot about the 4K too. But I don't do much video, anyway.
More like: "Who would buy an LX100 when they could buy a G7X?" It's obvious why someone would want an ILC to put on a fast prime or a fast telephoto zoom. What's not obvious is whether the 1/2 stop (effective), EVF, hand grip and hotshoe trump the longer lens, smaller size (jeans pocketable), tilting touchscreen, higher resolution, better relative sensor performance (given its size) and $200 cheaper price tag of the G7X. I'm probably going to go for a G7X for my birth-mas present this year to replace old S95. Not saying LX100 would be bad, but for me, G7X ticks more boxes.
Hey, Sony. If you make an APS-C A-Mount 50-150 f/2.8 at 770g like the sigma, I'll buy it and an SLT.
Also: it is frustrating that all the long e-mount stuff is full frame. It would be nice to make an e-mount fast long zoom for aps-c that doesn't weight/cost a ton. I guess we'll all stick with samsung and fuji.
Samuel Dilworth: For about a decade Samsung has talked about dethroning the big camera companies. That chat, which waxed and waned with chairman Lee Kun-hee’s mood, has never really amounted to much, but perhaps one day it will. This camera certainly makes that day seem more possible than it did yesterday.
Whether it’s a good camera is another question. I’m betting it’s full of odd little limitations and design flaws that the cognoscenti will moan about (did you ever try the TL500/EX1?). It also has that faux SLR look that I despise in non-SLRs but which seems to fly off the shelves (and in fairness, it’s hard to totally screw up the ergonomics if you’re copying an SLR shape that the big Japanese makers honed into usefulness over several decades).
But Samsung may lose interest when it realises it can’t compete with Sony without full-frame. Samsung isn’t the sentimental type, so if that happens all APS-C lenses would probably be terminated and quite possibly erased from photographic records. Poof!
why are people so obsessed by full frame? I'd take A6000 with adapted a-mount 16-50 f/2.8 (let's say $1800) or NX30+160-50S (say $1800) over A7 with 24-70 f/4 (let's say $3000) -- any day of the week. Enthusiasts care about costs and I bet even pros do too. The noise and DR on APS-C is good enough 99% of the time.
Where's the A77 / A77mkII in the "enthusiast ILC" category? Seems like an obvious omission since it competes head-on with D7100 and 70D.
phazelag: This is interesting. I am guessing this was just a test, but this shot could have been taken closer/wider at f1.8 with much lower ISO and still had the faces in focus.
curious about how a wide angle f/1.8 at ISO6400 cropped to the same FOV would have looked. (probably about the same or worse after the heavy crop)
JJLMD: You're fixation with clicking dials cost me money. I've been using the RX100 and RX100m2 with astonishing results. Both my brother and brother-in-law bought one when they saw the IQ coming out of something they can stuff in their pockets. Because of your persistent criticism of the RX100s as uninvolving, I bought the Olympus XZ-2. Yes, it has clicking dials and the colors were nice but the noise, limited dynamic range, and inferior resolution compelled me to sell it after one outing. Oh, and it's about as big as my RX1R.
With that experience, to see you dwell again on this issue strikes me as petty. The RX100s produce class-leading IQ, are built well, are snappy performers, and allow a lot of creative control even for experienced photographers.
I agree that Richard dwells too much on the clickless issue, but YOU on the other hand are ridiculous for complaining that his comments forced a poor decision on your part.
that is one of the least flattering 70mm equiv portraits I've seen. Was that really at full zoom? Seems very very close to subject for 70mm equiv.
shademaster: Dear Richard, Thanks for the quick and detailed review. But I'm puzzled by the emphasis (again) on the lack of clicks on the lens control dial. It doesn't seem to bother anyone else, and it seems like a very personal issue to get such a high profile on the list of "cons".
Although, I appreciate the colorful approaches you take with the english on the issue of the click-less wheel. "vague and unengaging" has now become "somewhat distancing and inert" :)
Dear Richard, Thanks for the quick and detailed review. But I'm puzzled by the emphasis (again) on the lack of clicks on the lens control dial. It doesn't seem to bother anyone else, and it seems like a very personal issue to get such a high profile on the list of "cons".
viking79: Now we know when the 16-50mm PZ is coming, as a kit with the NX3000. Was wondering where that lens was.
Wish they offered NX300 as a kit with the PZ. I got one a couple of weeks ago from Adorama for $400 with ANOTHER 20-50 (what to do with *this* one?). With a PZ at a stand-alone sticker price of $350, that would make it $750 for the combo :(. Maybe I'll send the 300 back and live with the 3000. It may outperform the 300, anyway. Who knows?
ShutterNot: Having to use an add-on EVF is a real pain in the a**. I bought the Panasonic GF1 with that add on when it first came out. That thing sticking out on top just doesn't work for me. I am a BIG fan of the PowerShot PRO 1 which I still have and use occasionally - and I am still waiting for it's modern replacement from Canon. I mostly use my Fuji X100 now, but would prefer Canon color rendition in that package. What is CANON really saving by not having the EVF built in ?
and why not complain the *Fuji* doesn't make a large sensor zoom with integrated EVF? Not Canon's fault. They can't make all cameras for all people, and I trust the marketing people know what the masses will buy.
by all accounts the VF on the G1X mk i was not so hot, so this seems like a very reasonable tradeoff.
really don't get it. not for soccer moms. not for enthusiasts. not small body for pros. not for face-bookers. who is it for? (I know, I'm a grumpy old man).
alffastar: Oly never made a micro 4/3 lens with 24-120mm equivalent and 2.8-4.0. Even if Oly makes such a lens it will cost more than this camera and will be both bigger and havier, so I am definitely buying this Canon to use it as everyday camera and also travel camera and will use only my primes with my OM-D!
optics sound "ambitious". Hope they hold up to scrutiny. If the lens is reasonable and the AF isn't too bad, I'm in. I've got an NX and had been holding out for Samsung to release something like the Fuji 18-55 f/2.8-f/4. But this guy is SO compact. I can live with the sub-optimal high ISO sensor, if they can give f/3.8 at 120mm equiv.