dwl017: Sorry my Samsung NX300 with 45mm F1.8 prime will blow this thing out of the water. Im sorry but $900 for m4/3 fixed lens is surely a joke. No way in the world with so many other options. You would be better off with a first edition Sony RX100
Any detachable lens alternative is a much better buy.
if you want a bright-ish but not super-bright zoom, get this. if you want primes on an ILC get an ILC. what's so difficult about that concept? I AM tempted to get RX100 or LX100, but I'm NOT tempted to GIVE UP my NX300.
Also: is "performance" deprecated in favor of "shooting experience" now? I'd like to see some comments on AF performance. Are we to assume "AF is at least as good as FZ1000"?
But tell us what you really think…
But seriously, cons: "no articulating display". I don't need touchscreen, but I really want the flexibility to shoot at eye level with EVF OR waist level on the screen. Lack of tilt is a huge downside and a draw for RX100 mkiii.
Your " Samsung NX300 with 45mm F1.8 prime will blow this thing out of the water" right up until the point where you try to zoom out...
JEROME NOLAS: It's DSLR size, the 16-50mm lens is heavy and very expensive. What they were thinking about?
tecno, for years I would occasionally defend your anti-samsung attitudes when I felt people were bullying you on these boards. You express some valid preferences. But REALLY, day after day, month after month, year after year with the same complaints... Drop it already. Get a sony or fuji and complain about it instead.
justmeMN: Technical merit aside, in the US, Samsung has a brand problem. $2,799.00 for an off-brand camera? Good luck with that.
I thought the $2700 included the 16-50S AND the grip. So if you want the grip, it's a good deal. If you just want body+lens, buying them separately is a bit cheaper.
It would have been nice to have seen what the in-camera "Smart Range" Dynamic Range optimizer could have done. Are the tone curves adjustable in-camera?
Catalin Stavaru: It seems that the Canon campaign had its desired effect. This article seems to have the largest number of comments in dpreview's history :)
@quezra not even g7x?
shademaster: Finally an answer to the Nikon Df! :P
That was my point.
Finally an answer to the Nikon Df! :P
shademaster: More like: "Who would buy an LX100 when they could buy a G7X?" It's obvious why someone would want an ILC to put on a fast prime or a fast telephoto zoom. What's not obvious is whether the 1/2 stop (effective), EVF, hand grip and hotshoe trump the longer lens, smaller size (jeans pocketable), tilting touchscreen, higher resolution, better relative sensor performance (given its size) and $200 cheaper price tag of the G7X. I'm probably going to go for a G7X for my birth-mas present this year to replace old S95. Not saying LX100 would be bad, but for me, G7X ticks more boxes.
sorry, I forgot about the 4K too. But I don't do much video, anyway.
More like: "Who would buy an LX100 when they could buy a G7X?" It's obvious why someone would want an ILC to put on a fast prime or a fast telephoto zoom. What's not obvious is whether the 1/2 stop (effective), EVF, hand grip and hotshoe trump the longer lens, smaller size (jeans pocketable), tilting touchscreen, higher resolution, better relative sensor performance (given its size) and $200 cheaper price tag of the G7X. I'm probably going to go for a G7X for my birth-mas present this year to replace old S95. Not saying LX100 would be bad, but for me, G7X ticks more boxes.
Hey, Sony. If you make an APS-C A-Mount 50-150 f/2.8 at 770g like the sigma, I'll buy it and an SLT.
Also: it is frustrating that all the long e-mount stuff is full frame. It would be nice to make an e-mount fast long zoom for aps-c that doesn't weight/cost a ton. I guess we'll all stick with samsung and fuji.
Samuel Dilworth: For about a decade Samsung has talked about dethroning the big camera companies. That chat, which waxed and waned with chairman Lee Kun-hee’s mood, has never really amounted to much, but perhaps one day it will. This camera certainly makes that day seem more possible than it did yesterday.
Whether it’s a good camera is another question. I’m betting it’s full of odd little limitations and design flaws that the cognoscenti will moan about (did you ever try the TL500/EX1?). It also has that faux SLR look that I despise in non-SLRs but which seems to fly off the shelves (and in fairness, it’s hard to totally screw up the ergonomics if you’re copying an SLR shape that the big Japanese makers honed into usefulness over several decades).
But Samsung may lose interest when it realises it can’t compete with Sony without full-frame. Samsung isn’t the sentimental type, so if that happens all APS-C lenses would probably be terminated and quite possibly erased from photographic records. Poof!
why are people so obsessed by full frame? I'd take A6000 with adapted a-mount 16-50 f/2.8 (let's say $1800) or NX30+160-50S (say $1800) over A7 with 24-70 f/4 (let's say $3000) -- any day of the week. Enthusiasts care about costs and I bet even pros do too. The noise and DR on APS-C is good enough 99% of the time.
Where's the A77 / A77mkII in the "enthusiast ILC" category? Seems like an obvious omission since it competes head-on with D7100 and 70D.
phazelag: This is interesting. I am guessing this was just a test, but this shot could have been taken closer/wider at f1.8 with much lower ISO and still had the faces in focus.
curious about how a wide angle f/1.8 at ISO6400 cropped to the same FOV would have looked. (probably about the same or worse after the heavy crop)
JJLMD: You're fixation with clicking dials cost me money. I've been using the RX100 and RX100m2 with astonishing results. Both my brother and brother-in-law bought one when they saw the IQ coming out of something they can stuff in their pockets. Because of your persistent criticism of the RX100s as uninvolving, I bought the Olympus XZ-2. Yes, it has clicking dials and the colors were nice but the noise, limited dynamic range, and inferior resolution compelled me to sell it after one outing. Oh, and it's about as big as my RX1R.
With that experience, to see you dwell again on this issue strikes me as petty. The RX100s produce class-leading IQ, are built well, are snappy performers, and allow a lot of creative control even for experienced photographers.
I agree that Richard dwells too much on the clickless issue, but YOU on the other hand are ridiculous for complaining that his comments forced a poor decision on your part.
that is one of the least flattering 70mm equiv portraits I've seen. Was that really at full zoom? Seems very very close to subject for 70mm equiv.
shademaster: Dear Richard, Thanks for the quick and detailed review. But I'm puzzled by the emphasis (again) on the lack of clicks on the lens control dial. It doesn't seem to bother anyone else, and it seems like a very personal issue to get such a high profile on the list of "cons".
Although, I appreciate the colorful approaches you take with the english on the issue of the click-less wheel. "vague and unengaging" has now become "somewhat distancing and inert" :)