Zvonimir Tosic: Hell will freeze over before either Ricoh or Pentax announce anything that has 35mm FoV. Mind you, even 15 years into the digital, Pentax does not have a 35mm FoV lens. People want to switch, and ask for 35mm lens, and they always get same answer. Pentax has most crazy camera designs world has ever seen, appeals to customers with all camera body colours, patterns and gimmicks, but with a 35mm lens? No way!
Same with Ricoh. That is part of their ultra-niche thinking and the reason why original and buggy Fujifilm X100 with a 35mm FoV equivalent lens outsold APS-C GR in 8:1 ratio, despite GR being much more polished and bug-free camera.
It is obvious that market loves 35mm FoV more. I agree that a 1.5x teleconverter would make this camera 8 times more interesting, GR would sell more, and this kit would disappear in an instant.
That is why Ricoh will never deliver them. More cameras sold means more customer support, more marketing, and Ricoh, most likely, is afraid of it.
joelakeland, do not dumb down the conversation, lowering it to the lowest public denominator, which is "if you do not like, skip it". No. There is some truth beyond everything, and if you do not discuss it, you may continue living in illusion. So why don't you listen to your own advice and move along if you don't like my question?
Hell will freeze over before either Ricoh or Pentax announce anything that has 35mm FoV. Mind you, even 15 years into the digital, Pentax does not have a 35mm FoV lens. People want to switch, and ask for 35mm lens, and they always get same answer. Pentax has most crazy camera designs world has ever seen, appeals to customers with all camera body colours, patterns and gimmicks, but with a 35mm lens? No way!
Samsung is not quitting camera business, apparently. But they are so desperate and angry at everyone else in the industry that they will do their worst pranks to make others leave camera business in disgust.
40daystogo: For Pentax's DSLRs, in terms of design, Pentax is like Samsung and Panasonic- no sense of artistic design. Their designs are ok, but not gorgeous or at least admirable.
All things being equal -- and that's often the case these days, with most cameras being able to take good shots -- then the appeal of visual design becomes an important issue for me.
Not at all. See this — it is the best DSLR lens design there is.
Pentax usually reserves best lens looks and designs for its own recipes. That is why this announcement lacks cluster; Pentax has rebadged Tamron lens. It's not worth making it pretty.
We should call it Penron lens. 6 months into the waiting for the FF camera(s), and Ricoh gives us a rebadged Tamron lens. I would expect from a legendary Japanese optical company like Pentax to conjure up a design and a lens of their own, something users can crave about and be totally excited in terms of the forthcoming FF.
Frank_BR: The DSLR market is on decline, but you can understand that Nikon and Canon want to explore the DSLR concept until the very end. Nikon and Canon are the hegemonic forces in the DSLR market, and they act as the captain who does not want to leave the sinking ship. In contrast, Pentax has no tradition in full-frame digital cameras. So it is hard to see the wisdom of Pentax introducing a full-frame DSLR camera in 2016. It will be as timely as the launch by an audio company of a turntable for vinyl records. It would be far more sensible if Pentax launched a mirrorless FF camera.
The only "bulk" capable DSLRs have, is that one of the abound prejudices which folks who have no idea of the demanding photography come with.
Rod McD: All the talk of it being a DSLR mirror-less hybrid might give a DSLR the option and benefits of an EVF (ie live view at eye level through VF and data) but it won't change the registration distance.
If Pentax are going to introduce a FF system part of the equation is the lenses. Some Pentax owners have film era lenses that will cover FF. The company sells a handful of digital era designs, including the new FF zooms they've announced this year. What I will want to see is the future primes. Pentax have a long history of offering compact high quality lenses and I'm hoping they'll be offering something like that in their new designs. Every other manufacturer seems to have abandoned compactness as a goal. If Pentax offer another load of massive "me too" f1.4 and f1.8 WAs, there won't be anything to differentiate them from brands I could have bought years ago. Let's see.
Registration is tied to A) imaging size, and B) obedience to strict optical laws. There was no lying to film. However, mirrorless systems cheat on the latter to appear 'smaller', but that is why mirrorless optics is an utter optical junk that cannot work without heavy software intervention. It is worthless.
DSLR market is well established market, saturated market, and people have trust in DSLRs more than any other cameras in capacity to deliver image quality and robustness. People will continue buying them, but not on regular basis. Smartphones are tied to 1-year and 2-years telecom plans, and therefore appear to 'sell more', and mirrorless cameras fill the gap for cheap, expendable plastic to have in purse. DSLRs will outlive mirrorless cameras.
Pentax is not going to make a video camera. That should be obvious to anyone serious about the photography.
Zvonimir Tosic: Ricoh was granted a patent on a translucent mirror with adjustable transmission rate. A camera built around that tech can be used as a DSLR and a mirrorless.
The amount of reflected light to visible light is 0-50%, the amount of transmitted light is changed in a range of 50-100%. With such a device you improve the efficiency of the autofocus sensor in low light by increasing the reflection rate, and improve PDAF of the image sensor by increasing the transmission rate — when SLT scheme with an electronic viewfinder overlay comes in place. The new high end mirrorless cameras started sporting very fast frame rates, which are difficult to obtain with a classic mirror; this technology is an obvious solution, embraces best of both worlds.
That is why some predict Pentax FF is the game changer. Pentax indeed came last, but, they did all the thinking others haven't.
ET2, that is true. However, Ricoh owns the patent rights for the invention and application. Ricoh also states the new FF will include many never seen before technologies. Also, in the very last report, they stated they will take extra steps to protect technical solutions and inventions in the FF. Why would they state that if all they will deliver is another boring D610?
Registration distance is irrelevant for a serious system camera. It is important for fixed lens cameras, but in system cameras that may have optics of varying size and weight — up to few lbs — there should some balance considered. That is why most today's mirrorless systems are not balanced at all. If a lens is to be 100% telecentric, better to have slightly bigger body anyway. No practical drawbacks — short registration is a favourite lame excuse of the tech nerds.
Ricoh was granted a patent on a translucent mirror with adjustable transmission rate. A camera built around that tech can be used as a DSLR and a mirrorless.
Many US cities and ghettoes look like this too. The only thing that differentiates them is the use of cyrillic on wall pictures.
joelakeland: Maybe it will have 48.6 megapixels and an ISO range usable to 1600. One thing in my humble opinion, Pentax needs to make some new glass.
Yes, I think that although folks will be delighted with FF tech, they may be disappointed when they realise Pentax has gone into a new territory with its brand new glass and, more likely than not, dropped support for most of legacy lenses. FF is a chance for a clear step forward in all respects.
RedDog Steve: Making proper use of the FF capable Kmount is a respectable move.I wonder if development of a Pentax FF mirrorless was even a consideration ?
It is most likely both a DSLR and a mirrorless.It is not impossible.
Those concerned with Pentax FF being a DSLR, there s nothing wrong with a DSLR. DSLR as seen in Canon or Nikon camp is very much same old mule, tech never really improved upon. But Pentax has some guts to add spice to things. Ricoh has been too eager to add spice in outer appearance though, often forgetting the technical genius of the company. It is possible to experiment with a pentaprism, mirror, with EVF too, and add a dimension to a DSLR it never had before. It can be both a DSLR and a mirrorless at the same time, never compromising handling, robustness or power usage because of the compromised design due to short flange distance or the strict electronic VF to do anything with a camera. So think a bit wider and outside the box, because Pentax is surely capable of it.
In February 2015, even DPReview noted the market release will be the end of 2015. Now we are half-way through the FY in Japan, and Ricoh is extending the FF release into a next FY in Japan, spring 2016, buying them extra 5-6 months.
5-6 months delay is not an accident — it is design. It means Ricoh knew it that the end of 2015 market release was impossible, but they did the stunt anyway. Now no explanation for delay is given, apart from "perfecting the product", "making it even better" which is a nonsense meowing of marketing cats, always ready to land on their feet.
FF was planned for Japanese FY of 2016, and users were manipulated with lies.
They should issue those for Leica and Pentax mounts instead. Nikon and Canon users are so removed from photography and so deep into snapshots that they do not know what the MF stands for anymore. ;-)
Zvonimir Tosic: Real MF (6x6, 6x7, even 645) have the image size at least twice that of 35mm film. So the MF mirror cannot fit in the DSLR design so small as Leica S. Leica S is styled as per Leica's own R range of 35mm DSLRs, once produced and admired by many, but now abandoned. Thus factually, this is Leica's DSLR tradition continued, BUT with 50% bigger sensor than 35mm, still in 3:2 format, allowing Leica to make enough distinction and not to compete in the same market with Canon, Nikon, etc. A wise choice. However, S is a pseudo-MF camera, not a true MF camera in terms of MF legacy, because Leica has never had one.That is why Pentax 645Z, which continues on film legacy, is styled in a different manner.
Pentax was stuck with legacy lenses only when they launched 645D several years back, whilst Leica had time, since 2006, to deliver specifically made lenses for the new digital format of the S system.So we may say Leica had a 4-5 years of advantage to think strategically. While Pentax just made the camera, and then was taken over by Ricoh.
Real MF (6x6, 6x7, even 645) have the image size at least twice that of 35mm film. So the MF mirror cannot fit in the DSLR design so small as Leica S. Leica S is styled as per Leica's own R range of 35mm DSLRs, once produced and admired by many, but now abandoned. Thus factually, this is Leica's DSLR tradition continued, BUT with 50% bigger sensor than 35mm, still in 3:2 format, allowing Leica to make enough distinction and not to compete in the same market with Canon, Nikon, etc. A wise choice. However, S is a pseudo-MF camera, not a true MF camera in terms of MF legacy, because Leica has never had one.That is why Pentax 645Z, which continues on film legacy, is styled in a different manner.