meanwhile: Looks impressive.
They had time to incorporate a touch screen, and they should have. Even if it's only function is touch to focus, that would be fine.
@benny you hold the camera normally and use your thumb to move the AF point. It's much easier than either cursor pad or a joystick. Try it on a Panasonic (or now late Olympus models).
ProfHankD: Once again, Fuji has built a desirable, yet overpriced (and oversized), APS-C camera that could be mistaken for a Leica that somehow lost its red dot. I think the DR mode 100%, 200%, and 400% concept is very nice, and something Sony should really put into their cameras in some form -- I'm in favor of anything that gives independent control of the analog and digital components of ISO settings.
@ProfHankD my recollection is that turning DRO up also influences even raw mode exposures to preserve highlights. I'm aware of the localized effect of DRO, it's not a simple overall tone curve, but am I wrong about the exposure?
@ProfHankD does Sony DRO not qualify as "something Sony should really put into their cameras is some form"?
scottcraig: The camera is simply a tool. It's the person behind it that brings the pictures to life regardless of the brand. Whether it's Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Sigma, Samsung or any other in the end it's how comfortable the person is while using the camera that will allow him/her to capture those great images. Frankly all these additional features and claims by manufacturers about which camera is better is in my opinion, a marketing ploy thought up by a bunch of executives sitting in a pub on how to extract every last dollar from consumers.
Another inane statement. Of course its a tool. But to say something is "simply" a tool is to deny a reality of the potential pleasure and rewards of using very special tools, whether its thoughtful design, craftsmanship, production value, highly customized to our preferences, whatever.
Thank you, thank you for pointing out the really inane "Ansel Adams", and "They're all good" statements. Let's take about why it matters:
While for many, using a camera is a purely utilitarian function, and this can apparently includes result oriented-professionals/enthusiasts who will put up with anything to get their expected level of results, for many others using a camera is a highly personal experience. We want them to become natural extensions of ourselves, and how we see and interact with the world. This is also an aspect of GAS. It isn't just wanting to have the latest equipment, its the attempt to find that feel and balance that works for us, and gives us that pleasure of experiencing the symbiosis of man and machine. For some cars are also similar extensions.
eazizisaid: Coming from the mouth of the Director Mister TT, the difference between the XT1 & XP1 :
The XT1 is for sport nature and wildlifeThe XP1 is for street photographers !
That's one bad answer.
@eazizisaid, there's a big difference between the two cameras. The reason the EVF remains small in the X-Pro2 is because the whole camera design centers around the hybrid viewfinder concept. The rangefinder style of ovf with frame lines is paramount, and <speculation >it was likely optically impossible to integrate a larger EVF view (which was accomplished optically in the X-T1)</speculation >.
A lot of ramifications come out of a few design priorities. It's not simply style, though personally I think of the appearance that faux pentaprism humps in mirrorless cameras is some kind of horrible irony, exceeded only by the emergence of cameras apparently with selfie taking as their guiding principle.
tlinn: This was a really enjoyable read, Barney. I too was struck by the omission of Sony as Fuji contemplates the number 3 spot. Though I don't disagree about the lack of quality Sony lenses, it seems excessively optimistic to imagine Sony falling behind Fuji in terms of market share. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony pass Nikon in this metric. I was also a little surprised by their candid assessment of Samsung ILCs—not that I disagree.
There are those, myself included, that worried that Fuji might not be able to keep pace with technological advances in camera bodies. I'm not sure the verdict is in yet but the X-Pro2 sure looks like it should allay those fears to a great extent. It's not just megapixels; it's an overall refinement of features and functionality in the new body that has been missing in earlier products. It leaves me really excited for the debut of the X-T2.
You left out the fact that many cameras coming out of Fuji are just drop dead gorgeous lust objects.
Edgar Matias: I have another suggestion for you (Fujifilm) -- make an XT-1 model with a SQUARE sensor that utilizes the whole image circle of your lovely APS-C lenses...
APS-C sensors are 23.6 x 15.6 mm. Going square would up the sensor size to 23.6 x 23.6 mm, which is essentially the same vertical as full-frame (36 x 24 mm). You’d get the same look as FF, using lighter APS-C lenses.
Added bonus... While the vertical is the same as FF, the sensor area is almost 36% smaller -- a huge savings in sensor cost.
Call it the SX-1 and position it as the top model in the X-series range of cameras. You'd have a full-frame camera that’s less expensive to manufacture than every other FF camera, with the additional cachet of a square sensor, AND without having to start over with a whole new range of lenses.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of geometry, I'm afraid. The Fuji lenses support a diameter that matches the **diagonal** of the sensor. If you make the sensor square, it couldn't match the width of APS-C sensor without a much larger diagonal exceeding the coverage of the lens.
Fuji X-T1 also had light leak issues in the beginning and issued a similar advisory. It is strange that by now manufacturers don't have a rigorous light-leak detection protocol to find flaws in design or manufacturing tolerances.
Nick8: X-E3 will come as soon as enough X-Pro2 cameras will be sold. It is quite obvious.The new sensor in Fujifilm X-Pro2 will be probably used in the future X-E3 as well.Although X-E2s looks like a very minor step-up, Fujifilm seems to have a consistent strategy, IMO.
@BarnET: why is that bad? I think it is a great thing that Fuji offers essentially an XT-10 in humpless flavor. The XE-3 you want to see is coming, but it's just not the best strategy to release it now.
Mike Maier: Please check context of your last sentence, "and provides an exceptionally clear view through the Leica M viewfinder.".Yes, Leica M viewfinder is very bright, but that has nothing to do with quality of the lens, lens shade of 28 mm lens usually just blocks part of the viewfinder.V/rMike
By virtue of its smaller size, it would block less of the viewfinder than would a longer/physically wider lens. So perhaps that is their meaning?
gordonpritchard: Gee, already 26 people say that they've "had it." Maybe they have a different meaning for the term "had it."
Maybe they've just "had it" with Nikon altogether?
Isn't the narrow widest aperture already diffraction limited?
Battersea: Sounds like a cool camera but at a certain point Sony needs to realize that it's ok to have some size. The retractable EVF just seems awful and a bad idea. The camera is not pocketable anyway, just put the EVF in a proper spot and be done with it. Buyers of this type of camera will be like Barney and shoot with "eye to the viewfinder almost exclusively" The smallest possible size is not always the best size especially for tools.
Have you tried this EVF? As an eyeglass wearer, I had to remove the eyecup from the RX1's swivel EVF, so this one works ideally for me (with the exception of swivel). It's big (0.74x) and bright.
picsnmorepics: Thank you for your review. The 35mm FOV has always been my favorite and this camera really appeals to me. I used a Contax T3 for my compact camera in the film days and couldn't wait for a X100 and still use that. All the enhancements of the R1XRII are almost more than I can take :-).
Your comment that this camera is still a CyberShot just stopped me in my tracks. I find it difficult to believe that these premium systems can be built on the backs of aging infrastructure. Startup time is crucial to me and when I'm traveling it's surprising how much more a bit of jet lag can complicate a menu system and an already complicated system can turn into an abyss. It's a very good reason for retaining the "auto" selection - a necessary setting to make an otherwise unnavigable piece of equipment useful.
The aspects like battery life are important to those of us who are on the go and traveling light (even if just next door). Knowingly paying for the nuisance factors is more than an annoyance.
Several owners have tried this, and found that from the off position to on/focus acquired/shutter release is close to 1 second flat.
Having used both the A7rii (rented) and RX1rii (own it) I've found the speed to be the same for most operations, with the exception of the individual lens contribution to the AF speed. The speed issues this camera has is not related to its Cybershot heritage.
nevada5: I'm waiting for the RX1R II RR2 IV RX. How many is that?
Clearly the intention is to release a more moderate resolution version without the extra R.
davev8: its a pity sony did not put a better lens on it to match the 42MP sensor as the lens gets blown away by the cheapest bargain basement lens that canon has http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EF-40mm-F28-STM-on-Canon-EOS-5DS-R-versus-Sony-Cyber-shot-DSC-RX1-Lens-on-Sony-Cyber-shot-DSC-RX1__966_1009_1019_833
That comparison makes no sense. Try comparing an RX1Rii against the 5DSR
nebulight: Everyone seems to have issues with the Sony menus, am I the only one that doesn't really see a problem with them?
The problem here is that Sony are embarrassing themselves in this department. Maybe the business doesn't care, but others offer menus that graphically show you which button you are assigning, or let you assign the button by just holding it down.Making more logical menus, or allowing the user to have a menu with his frequently accessed items isn't rocket science. Sony could figure it out.
@Barney, could you please tell us whether the Mark ii still has the forced MF assist when focus peaking, or can they be separated as on every other Sony model?
How soon before the actual menus are posted on DPReview? It seems a shady practice to me that the Sony's user manual seems to be embargoed until preorders are filled on this camera.
Raist3d: @Barney/Dpreview staff- can you confirm that the smart teleconverter feature only works in JPEG or did Sony also support a crop like the Ricoh GR/Leica Q for RAW?
I really really want Sony to give that option. It changes the usability for shooting at "50/70" tremendously.
@Barney Britton please tell Sony and advertise this as a real missed opportunity. Raw shooters--especially with this crazy resolution--also deserve the ability to do in-camera cropping to 50mm or 70mm, even for full size raw files with the cropping specified (which I believe is how aspect ratios also work). There is no substitute for in-viewfinder visualization at the time of capture. After-the-fact cropping makes post processing that much more onerous.