Disappointed at lack of IBIS and the higher price. So I am glad I will NOT need to upgrade my A6000.
Sony updated the things I don't care for, but ignored the one thing I needed.
I desperately wanted IBIS, so if no IBIS I'll wait for next update. I need IBIS because so many of Sony's prime lenses don't have OSS. I also need IBIS for use with legacy lenses. I also need IBIS to use Sigma's non-OSS lenses.
Don't like the weight increase (I'd accept weight increase for IBIS, but not for other features).
The A6000's fast autofocus was fine for me, so I don't care much for the slightly better focus of the A6300.
I don't do much video, so don't care for the 4K video feature.
If Sony raise prices to Fuji level, I might switch to Fuji.
Happy to continue with my A6000 until Sony's next update. A6000's image quality is so good that I don't need to update until Sony bring out APS-C IBIS. So even if the next update around 2018 lacks IBIS, I still won't upgrade.
OliverGlass: Question DPReview....Has Nikon finally incorporated a Real Time Exposure Simulation done via Live View? It's available even on enthusiast point and shoots. Nikon, for some unknown reason, made a silly implementation of this on past Nikon bodies like the D800 series where the exposure preview in live view was "off by a couple of stops" when fiddling with the shutter speed or using filters --- it wasn't the exposure you'll be getting post capture.
@Rishi, I think that @OliverGlass means by "real time exposure simulation" is where, when you're taking a long exposure star light, night photograph, the camera gives you a real time visual indication of what the photo looks like with the amount of exposure so far, so that you're not guessing, but can wait until the real-time indication reaches the correct exposure. I forget which camera has that - I think it's one of the Olympus mirrorless OMs?
Are the two images taken concurrently or one after the other, i.e. what if there is moving action in the scene such as people walking, or boats moving down a river?
Coyote_Cody: Has Nikon sold any of these Nikon Df (in comparison to development costs) ? What real photographer wants this beyond nostalgia or utter retro ??
I adored the looks of my old Nikon FE, FE2, FM, FM2 -- but the Df, which is modelled of the FM2, looks like a Frankenstein, IMO, almost like a battleship.
RC Photography: Very nice review. Thanks Rishi Sanyal, Richard Butler, and Dan Bracaglia.
For anyone looking for a new system with $3400, this should be at the top of the list.
To TheGreatfulBread , I saw the D750 on eBay for $1600 recently. Anyone on a smaller budget looking at stills only could not go wrong with that.
I am a Nikon user for several decades with a good collection of manual-focus Nikon lenses. It's ironic, therefore, that I am attracted to Sony full-frame, instead of Nikon, because Sony offers the possibility of using those old Nikon lenses in stabilization mode, whereas Nikon FF does not.
I don't get it. The Leica SL's performance looks no different to the Lumix GM5 which only has a micro 4/3rds sensor.
I've owned a Leica M before, and another digital Leica - but these test results beg the question of the SL - "whether the emperor has clothes".
zakaria: from what iam seeing this machine is the most beautifull dslr for my taste.it is the k5 approch with 645z look.with pentax unique features and this design pentax is a winner.
@samhain, I love older cameras too, and still hang on to my Nikon FE2 and FM2 for keepsakes, but in comparison to the FM/FM2, Nikon's DF looked like a Frankenstein. And this Pentax one looks like that to me, but each to his or her own.
I logged onto DPReview to make the point that, to me, the Pentax DSLR is really ugly and that Pentax have no idea how to create gorgeous design - but then the first comment I read was yours, praising its beauty. So, truly, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and that, like dating the opposite sex, it's good that everyone has different taste.
rsf3127: Either Leica hired a hobbit to pose with the camera or it is akwardly big for a mirrorless.
My thoughts too. The photos appear as if someone photoshopped an enlarged version of the camera into the person's hands - and then it dawns on you that the camera really is that large.
If you're willing to carry this amount of heft and weight, why not just get a Nikon D810?
40daystogo: For Pentax's DSLRs, in terms of design, Pentax is like Samsung and Panasonic- no sense of artistic design. Their designs are ok, but not gorgeous or at least admirable.
All things being equal -- and that's often the case these days, with most cameras being able to take good shots -- then the appeal of visual design becomes an important issue for me.
Canon DSLR's are 7. Nikon DSLRs are about 7 or 8 - I prefer them to the Canon plastic-mound-of-plastic concept.
Sony A7's are 8 from a beauty aspect, but not the best ergonomically.
I like Leica M and their Vario X.
Olympus OM-D E-M5 is an 8. I'm a fan of the original OM1 and OM2 film cameras.
Fujifilm X-E2 is an 8.
Nothing from Panasonic m43 grabs me.
While I'm attracted to the clean, angular design of the Sony A7 second generation, I also like some of the retro designs of Fujifilm's X100 series.
I don't like Olympus's Pen series.
Many people like the Fujifilm XT-1 - and I appreciate it's functionality with lots of dials - but can't find love for its Tiger-tank shape. I'm more into the design style of Sony A7's - but appreciate it's a matter of taste. I'd give the XT-1 a score of 6. This is purely from a beauty aspect, and nothing to do with ergonomics. For ergonomics, I'd give the XT-1 a 9.
A7 series could benefit from more external controls.
@samhain - I am not talking about ergonomics. Rather, I am referring to beauty of design.
Imagine that a design that has really good ergonomics, i.e. buttons laid out where most photographers want them, lots of customizable buttons. That aspect is ergonomics.
Now, the next step is, with those buttons and dials, how do you shape the body? You can either make it look like a junk-yard tank or a Lamborghini.
I don't deny that Pentax bodies might be functionally great, but they look like tanks.
It's the difference between Apple and Samsung design. Some people just don't care about design-beauty, or maybe they don't know the difference :)
I don't have a major problem with Pentax's lens designs. It is their DSLR body designs that I find ugly.
For Pentax's DSLRs, in terms of design, Pentax is like Samsung and Panasonic- no sense of artistic design. Their designs are ok, but not gorgeous or at least admirable.
40daystogo: Just so that Sony is made clear on how users feel:
-- I want a third option of: lossless, compressed RAW.
I would have preferred Sony relay this and done it properly, rather than giving us some half-hearted attempt to pacify upset users.
The problem is, now that Sony gives us a half-hearted fix, they might delay the lossless, compressed RAW for a long time, thinking that people are satisfied. We're not.
Sony, given the choice of compressed, lossless RAW, versus uncompressed, mega-big files - what sort of crazy person would want to massively large uncompressed files?
I've read reports where the massive size of these new uncompressed files are too large for other than the latest computers, and forcing people to upgrade computers that are not yet due for upgrades in the normal course of events.
On another forum, a Nikon D810 user said his lossless files were around 45MB while the uncompressed were 75Mb.
Just so that Sony is made clear on how users feel:
HOT OFF THE PRESS.
The sonyalpharumors.com website has reported that Sony will be bringing uncompressed RAW to the A7RII and A7SII.
RichRMA: Given the choice, would anyone really pay as much for that body as a Nikon D810? If you put the two side by side, you'd have to ask yourself, "Were did the money go, Sony?"
I've been a Nikon user for decades, but the in-body IBIS stabilization that is usable with my large collection of Nikon lenses that don't have VR - that's one thing that attracted me to shift from Nikon to Sony.
Also, the lighter weight of the mirrorless body is a big factor.
I predict that, two iterations more (4 years more), there won't be any advantages in staying with Nikon (and Canon).
Remember, the FE series of Sony/Zeiss/Schneider lenses have only come together in 2 years. Given another 4 years, the collection of lenses will satisfy the majority of uses.
Having said that, I won't pay that much for the current A7 bodies. Too expensive. I'll wait a year till the price drops.
40daystogo: I always use the studio scenes by comparing the detail of the etching - which shows the line drawing of the family in front of the painting easel. As a Sony A6000 user (and former Leica film-camera user), I like the fact that the cheaper A6000 seems well matched to the output of the Leica Q. I admit that the film and digital Leica's I purchased in the past were acquired, not merely for image quality, but for the cache of using a Leica - but from an IQ standpoint, I get just as good elsewhere, for much less money.
I'd never consider an X100-type camera unless it had a zoom, such as with the Leica Vario-X, preferably starting with a 24mm equivalent, i.e. 16mm in APS-C.
I'm not saying get rid of the fixed lens of the X100 family, but add a new camera with zoom.
I don't need a big zoom range. Even the equivalent of a 24-50 would be fine.
The problem with the Leica Vario-X's zoom range went to 70mm (equiv), it had a slow 3.5 aperture. Whereas if the zoom range only went to 50 or even 45, then it could have a wider aperture. A range of 24-50 or 24-45 would be much more useful than a single 35mm fixed lens.
armandino: I am not sure if I want the 5DS or the A7rII. From many points of views the Sony has an interesting offerings. A few things worry me though:1) ruggedness: especially sensor wise. Talking to repair shops in body IS is far more prone to failure on camera shock. Sony cameras are very expensive to repair in this regard. BSI is even more fragile than a conventional sensor.2) Resale value. True the Canon will set you back considerably more to start with. My experience with Sony in this regard is not promising though.3) Service. Sony vs Canon?4) Product integration. Good to see that I should be able to use Canon glass more effectively. Still not quite the same, cannot share dedicated flash etc. Just thinking loud here.
Regarding sensor longevity, the claim is that the Sony A7RII shutter can operate for 500,000 shutter actuations. That's far more than many DSLRs that do not have IBIS.