marc petzold: I think the winner should be LX100 here. It's still the best of the pack, and the focal length of 24-70 with this fast lens is very good, 24-70/2.8 is the most used standard zoom on FF DSLR/DSLM anyway. I'm wondering what a LX200 would offer, if Panasonic would release one. Perhaps a tilted Touchscreen, and new 20 MP Sensor.
While the lens is fast is it not very good, plus it flares like crazy, has an awful EVF, the build isn't that great, no tilt screen, relatively low resolution, the video isn't anywhere near as good, has no ND filter and it's not as compact. Controls are better though mostly.
J Parker: Leica haters of the world, unite....
Leica does it again. First, Leica introduces an $8,000 monochrome camera and many of us are outraged. But Phase One introduces a monochrome camera that costs 5x the price ($40,000!) and the forums here are silent -- no outrage -- nothing. The Leica version saves you $32,000 -- the least we could've done was to say thanks. The humanity.
And now Leica releases a camera without an LCD.... Who do they think they are?
Seriously, all joking aside -- I wear a Timex -- but I would love a Patek Phillippe -- it is a pure work of art that also happens to tell time. Leica sells works of art that also happen to be photographic tools. And that I can understand. People buy fine art not for how it makes others (i.e. you) feel, but how it makes them feel -- and this can be an extremely powerful thing both logically and emotionally.
My auto fanatic friends don't stop enjoying their Mustangs when Ferrari puts out a new model. Enjoy the camera you have.
And? People can have a really nice watch and still not be on time.
M1963: I like the concept. Chimping made us lazy and indulgent. But wouldn't a button to kill off the display do the trick?
The display on a Leica M is inactive anyway until invoked.
Siobhan A: No surprise.Nikon has for many years beaten Sony using Nikon, Sony or Toshiba sensors.The D7200, D7100, D5500, D5300 and others were better than the A6000 (which had banding issues too). In fact, several camera makers including Samsung made better performing cameras. This is just a continuation of that trend.
Of course Nikon makes cameras for Photographers while Sony makes electronic devices for gear heads.
And you make idiotic comments for idiots? Cool story.
PeaceKeeper: Out of curiosity, how is that 25mm f/1.7? Should the old 20mm f/1.7 II be worried?
Obvious differences of FoV and physical size aside...
I only ask because they are both f/1.7 normal primes, and I'm super thrilled with my 20mm. Curious if the 25mm takes any steps forward, or if it's just a "purely for variety" sort of thing.
Also the 25mm while bigger is internal focussing, it is near silent and faster. Build is not as nice as the P20 II, but the focussing sure is. Also comes with a hood, my 20's never did. Cheaper too.
bobfonte: I agree: Great Review! It's not hate. But unrequited love. I'm rooting soon Sony has a range of good quality and affordable lenses. Then I'll be in the front row defending it and hoping for success.
Wow TWO primes in what? 11 years. Both a whopping f2.8! Wow I can see how they are much better at supporting APS-C then Sony have with E-Mount.
Bluster? From you Captura, that's hilarious.
futurewah: For the life of me I cannot understand why Leica didn't source the 36mp sensor available from Sony. Sure, Nikon and Pentax use it too, and it's not as advanced as Sony's newer 42mp BSI sensor, but it's a proven sensor with good DR and ISO capabilities. I just think given the cost of this camera and its lenses, and its position in the Leica line-up, this would have been a smarter move.
Moving the S to Sony's 50mp and/or 100mp CMOS should be a no brainer too.
"Look to the A6300 for what the copper process may bring."
And that's exactly how much faster than the previous model in fps? Oh yes, I can see how that might bump the 36MP up from 4fps to 10+.
People don't buy Leica for speed - this is simply your opinion. They certainly don't buy a M or S for speed, but believe it or not the SL is a new category for them and clearly they have prioritised speed for this series. Much like speed is prioritised for the D5. Like it or not. Value it or not. I posit why it is likely they didn't choose that sensor and you are providing a bunch of 'what ifs' and making assumptions.
@ Futurewah - Your OP started with "For the life of me I cannot understand why Leica didn't source the 36mp sensor available from Sony."
I explained why this may be the case. You then decided that 'if' there was a copper process version (which there isn't) then that might be suitable, which is quite a stretch given the newer process 42MP is only capable of 5fps, you are making some assumption that it will be capable of some 10fps like the SL is. In fact none of the Sony FF sensors are terribly fast, this is why Nikon doesn't use them in their D4/D5 etc. Your statement reads very similar to an article on the D5 saying 'I can't understand why they didn't use the 36MP sensor of the D810' and then go on to say 'oh I meant a 36MP that is faster'.
"And as I said, if the 36mp chip can be fabricated using Sony's copper process, speed won't be an issue."
Assuming this were true, Sony doesn't make such a sensor... Pretty sure they can only buy what is available, rather than some imaginary sensor that would be better.
abortabort: I will seriously consider one as soon as Zeiss starts making their Loxia and Batis lenses for the SL.
Well affordability for me is somewhat an issue, but actually I just don't really like shooting massive zooms, which is all that's available for this camera at this point in time. This with a couple Loxias and batii though would be pretty tempting.
joel avery: Has camera shutter speed improved via firmware before or is this a first?
"It's not, they use the aperture in the lens to 'add' the shutter speed somehow. It's in the text."
Sounds like that relates to the speed of the aperture needed to close down during exposure. Nothing really new, though probably fairly new for Leica. Certainly doesn't suggest that the aperture itself is used as the shutter, just that they were able to capitalise on the aperture's speed.
"Nobody actually reads beyond the title on dpr do they?"
Well done, another day, another DPR expert jerk.
"should at least make an attempt at approaching premium specs."
The shooting speed this camera can achieve in a FF body IS a premium spec. It mightn't be your preferred premium spec, but it still is. While it might not be a sport shooter's wet dream, it's still a premium offering and taking into consideration all specs, only really the 1DC does what the SL does.
Rooru S: So it is not 'real time' live view at 8fps. Still a slideshow but with added blackout effects...too bad Sony had to simulate stuff for marketing BS.
I have since posting that.
You mean the same Canon and Nikon, who have a whopping ONE prime each for APS-C cameras... Fascinating!
People who make this comment, including DPR themselves, don't seem to have much of an understanding of what's available.
art99: Is there any way that the photo shutter button can be used as a rec/pause button when shooting video.? this small seemingly unimportant function is the deal breaker for me.
Typical response of an entitled git who thinks the world revolves around them. And what, I must be an amateur because you shoot weddings, good on you sir.
I shoot on all sorts of gear from my lowly RX10 II to Arri Alexa. I've shot both for broadcast production, side by side. Keep your weddings and your chalet and your attitude... Amateur.
I will seriously consider one as soon as Zeiss starts making their Loxia and Batis lenses for the SL.
That would be the electronic shutter I suspect, which yes, yes it has.
The 36MP sensor is only capable of about 4fps. This is capable of what? 10fps or something.
Wild Light: 18??? Why not 35 or 50??????
Yeah because they were aiming for a 35 or 50 but all they could come up with is a rotten 18 ;)
How many UWA primes are available? Now how many 35's and 50's are available... Now think about it a moment... There you go, there's your answer.
FuhTeng: E-mount ain't got no lenses! I need me a wide angle prime to shoot my cats from 6 inches, this just won't do for my needs! And who thinks f/2.8 is acceptable for wideangle! I demand a 16 mm, 4 inch minimum focal length f/1.4 lens!
"Switch to Fuji ;)"
Fuji have a 12mm f/0.95 lens?