The Scotch tape controversy

Started Oct 14, 2004 | Discussions
Akanohana Contributing Member • Posts: 643
The Scotch tape controversy

In the past I've always had Fuji service clean the CCD. It's pretty convenient - I drop it off at the service depot in Osaka, head down to Yodobashi Camera for 90 minutes, and then return to pick up the camera. They've always done a great job, and the first three cleanings were free. They only started charging after the warranty expired, but at 4,000 yen a shot I figured I should start doing it myself. The trouble is, I haven't been able to find anything like Pec pads or Eclipse solution in Japan - it might be available under a different name, but I haven't found it.

So having read about the Scoth tape method, I decided to give it a shot. I used the 810 tape in the green package, and while it took me three tries to remove most of the dust, I'm pleased with the results, it was fairly easy to do once I got the hang of it (and cut down the Rubbermaid spatula), and the price was right. I know there will be plenty of people willing to tell me I'm crazy for having tried such a stunt, and that's ok, but my question is this: does anyone who has actually used this method have anything bad to report?

R.R. Sprinkhuizen Regular Member • Posts: 424
Re: The Scotch tape controversy

Akanohana wrote:

So having read about the Scoth tape method, I decided to give it a
shot. I used the 810 tape in the green package, and while it took
me three tries to remove most of the dust, I'm pleased with the
results, it was fairly easy to do once I got the hang of it (and
cut down the Rubbermaid spatula), and the price was right. I know
there will be plenty of people willing to tell me I'm crazy for
having tried such a stunt, and that's ok, but my question is this:
does anyone who has actually used this method have anything bad to
report?

Nope. I already cleaned it twice with this method even without a powersupply (but with fresh charged 2100mAh NiMH's) and after both cleanings, the images were as crisp as when the camera was new.

The only trouble I have with the tape, is that it tends to stick to the sides when inserting it in the camera. But with a little practice, that's out of the way as well.

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OP Akanohana Contributing Member • Posts: 643
Re: The Scotch tape controversy

R.R. Sprinkhuizen wrote:

Nope. I already cleaned it twice with this method even without a
powersupply (but with fresh charged 2100mAh NiMH's) and after both
cleanings, the images were as crisp as when the camera was new.

I don't own the AC adapter, and I'm not planning to buy one. I don't see how freshly charged, relatively new AA batteries that power the camera all day long are suddenly going to fail during a 5-minute cleaning operation.

The only trouble I have with the tape, is that it tends to stick to
the sides when inserting it in the camera. But with a little
practice, that's out of the way as well.

I made a huge U with the tape and pressed the bottom down lightly with the spatula. The extra tape also makes it easy to lift off.

marco rambaldi Junior Member • Posts: 41
Re: The Scotch tape controversy

i have tried the scotch to clean the ccd and all was perfect .

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S2who? Regular Member • Posts: 169
Still no problems after 3 cleanings. Cheap, easy & effective(nt)

marco rambaldi wrote:

i have tried the scotch to clean the ccd and all was perfect .

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grant Harris Contributing Member • Posts: 824
Re: Still no problems after 3 cleanings. Cheap, easy & effective(nt)

Is this the magic tape?

S2who? wrote:

marco rambaldi wrote:

i have tried the scotch to clean the ccd and all was perfect .

alex from holland Senior Member • Posts: 2,341
at last !!!!

I am glad that you posted this message.
I have started this a few months ago overhere and i was told to be crazy etc.

Thanks

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Ken_L Contributing Member • Posts: 653
Re: look for dust particles.....

Please use a UV light source to look for dust particles,

any UV light source, like the one that people use to check for fake dollar bills. It is very easy to spot dust particles.

Ken_L

Akanohana wrote:

In the past I've always had Fuji service clean the CCD. It's pretty
convenient - I drop it off at the service depot in Osaka, head down
to Yodobashi Camera for 90 minutes, and then return to pick up the
camera. They've always done a great job, and the first three
cleanings were free. They only started charging after the warranty
expired, but at 4,000 yen a shot I figured I should start doing it
myself. The trouble is, I haven't been able to find anything like
Pec pads or Eclipse solution in Japan - it might be available under
a different name, but I haven't found it.

So having read about the Scoth tape method, I decided to give it a
shot. I used the 810 tape in the green package, and while it took
me three tries to remove most of the dust, I'm pleased with the
results, it was fairly easy to do once I got the hang of it (and
cut down the Rubbermaid spatula), and the price was right. I know
there will be plenty of people willing to tell me I'm crazy for
having tried such a stunt, and that's ok, but my question is this:
does anyone who has actually used this method have anything bad to
report?

Adam Nollmeyer Junior Member • Posts: 42
AC adaptors are CHEAAAPPP!!!!! get one!

Yes if you read the manual it will say that you should only use the approved 6 volt adaptor. (I believe it's 6 volts 1.5 * 4 = 6vdc)

HOWEVER, you could use ANY REGULATED power supply (wall wart) with the correct size and polarity plug-in. Have you seen other s2 users that use the external Quantum battery pack. (so they can shoot longer than w/ AA's)

That woudld work as well too, that's just a "portable AC adaptor"....

I don't know how much Fuji wants for an adaptor as one came with my s2 when I bought it (used)

Also some guy on eBay.com sells aftermarket adaptors for a s2.

Adam N.
Phx, AZ

Ken_L wrote:
Please use a UV light source to look for dust particles,
any UV light source, like the one that people use to check for
fake dollar bills. It is very easy to spot dust particles.

Ken_L

Akanohana wrote:

In the past I've always had Fuji service clean the CCD. It's pretty
convenient - I drop it off at the service depot in Osaka, head down
to Yodobashi Camera for 90 minutes, and then return to pick up the
camera. They've always done a great job, and the first three
cleanings were free. They only started charging after the warranty
expired, but at 4,000 yen a shot I figured I should start doing it
myself. The trouble is, I haven't been able to find anything like
Pec pads or Eclipse solution in Japan - it might be available under
a different name, but I haven't found it.

So having read about the Scoth tape method, I decided to give it a
shot. I used the 810 tape in the green package, and while it took
me three tries to remove most of the dust, I'm pleased with the
results, it was fairly easy to do once I got the hang of it (and
cut down the Rubbermaid spatula), and the price was right. I know
there will be plenty of people willing to tell me I'm crazy for
having tried such a stunt, and that's ok, but my question is this:
does anyone who has actually used this method have anything bad to
report?

Adam Nollmeyer Junior Member • Posts: 42
HERE's the method I use to clean my CCD (pics & tutorial)

Follow this link and you will see the method I use to clean my CCD. It involves basically making a cheaper yet more effective "sensor swab". Also it methanol which dust will ahere too, yet is CLEAN and leaves no residue. This website was NOT MADE BY ME, but I found Nicholas's instructions after I bought some Sensor Swabs ($4 bucks each I believe) and realized that the money was not worth it when I could "make" my own.....

So are you other people actually sticking scotch tape against the sensor (acutally the low pass filter) pickup. Isn't there a possiblity that the 'gum" on the tape may leave a mark?????

Adam N
Phoenix, AZ

Adam Nollmeyer wrote:
Yes if you read the manual it will say that you should only use the
approved 6 volt adaptor. (I believe it's 6 volts 1.5 * 4 = 6vdc)

HOWEVER, you could use ANY REGULATED power supply (wall wart) with
the correct size and polarity plug-in. Have you seen other s2
users that use the external Quantum battery pack. (so they can
shoot longer than w/ AA's)

That woudld work as well too, that's just a "portable AC adaptor"....
I don't know how much Fuji wants for an adaptor as one came with my
s2 when I bought it (used)

Also some guy on eBay.com sells aftermarket adaptors for a s2.

Adam N.
Phx, AZ

Ken_L wrote:
Please use a UV light source to look for dust particles,
any UV light source, like the one that people use to check for
fake dollar bills. It is very easy to spot dust particles.

Ken_L

Akanohana wrote:

In the past I've always had Fuji service clean the CCD. It's pretty
convenient - I drop it off at the service depot in Osaka, head down
to Yodobashi Camera for 90 minutes, and then return to pick up the
camera. They've always done a great job, and the first three
cleanings were free. They only started charging after the warranty
expired, but at 4,000 yen a shot I figured I should start doing it
myself. The trouble is, I haven't been able to find anything like
Pec pads or Eclipse solution in Japan - it might be available under
a different name, but I haven't found it.

So having read about the Scoth tape method, I decided to give it a
shot. I used the 810 tape in the green package, and while it took
me three tries to remove most of the dust, I'm pleased with the
results, it was fairly easy to do once I got the hang of it (and
cut down the Rubbermaid spatula), and the price was right. I know
there will be plenty of people willing to tell me I'm crazy for
having tried such a stunt, and that's ok, but my question is this:
does anyone who has actually used this method have anything bad to
report?

alex from holland Senior Member • Posts: 2,341
sorry forgot to post link. here it is
alex from holland Senior Member • Posts: 2,341
Re: HERE's the method I use to clean my CCD (pics & tutorial)

So are you other people actually sticking scotch tape against the
sensor (acutally the low pass filter) pickup. Isn't there a
possiblity that the 'gum" on the tape may leave a mark?????

NO it doesn't. If you have the time. Read this message i posted a few months ago. there you can see it just works great. I do it all the time, and as you can see other people do also
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key5000 Contributing Member • Posts: 558
Re: sorry forgot to post link. here it is

How often do you clean the CCD?

If you don't change the lens then do you need to clean the CCD?

thanks
KEY

Paul W. Walters Senior Member • Posts: 1,129
Even if you don't change the lens, you need to clean.

The CD will get dirty even if you never take the lens off. Each time the mirror goes up and down for a picture it shakes things up inside the camera a bit. I think there is some black felt-like stuff in the camera around the CCD that tends to drop dust off onto the CCD. I purchased my camera and had the great idea that I'd never remove the lens and never have to worry, but that has never been the case. I don't ever remove the lens except to clean the CCD, but I still have to clean the CCD every 1000-2000 pictures (which happens pretty quick for me. Perhaps once a month).

Paul

key5000 wrote:

How often do you clean the CCD?

If you don't change the lens then do you need to clean the CCD?

thanks
KEY

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JA Photo New Member • Posts: 3
Re: The Scotch tape controversy

What width tape are people using?

Thanks,

Jonathan

Akanohana wrote:

So having read about the Scoth tape method, I decided to give it a
shot. I used the 810 tape in the green package, and while it took
me three tries to remove most of the dust, I'm pleased with the
results, it was fairly easy to do once I got the hang of it (and
cut down the Rubbermaid spatula), and the price was right. I know
there will be plenty of people willing to tell me I'm crazy for
having tried such a stunt, and that's ok, but my question is this:
does anyone who has actually used this method have anything bad to
report?

marco rambaldi Junior Member • Posts: 41
Re: Still no problems after 3 cleanings. Cheap, easy & effective(nt)

grant Harris wrote:
Is this the magic tape?

S2who? wrote:

marco rambaldi wrote:

i have tried the scotch to clean the ccd and all was perfect .

I use Scotch magic tape - 810 in the green box. It works perfecly ,iI press with my finger after putting the tape on the ccd.I tried also other way but the spec grabber with ethanol was little stressing and sometime it leaves some kind of halo on the ccd

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DougJones Forum Member • Posts: 64
Wider than CCD height.

JA Photo wrote:

What width tape are people using?

Hi Jonathan

You need the 18mm wide size - this overlaps the top and bottom edges of the CCD filter a little bit and means the tape edges are not on the CCD. From my experience (see below) I think the edges could possibly be a source of loose adheasive "bits".

In some ways I think people tend to be a bit "precious" about the CCD. I think the CCD covering filter is reasonably tough and can put up with misadventures. You might like to laugh at my experiences lately from the following which I posted recently in another thread.
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(at first I am talking about using batteries while cleaning the CCD)

I always use a freshly charged set but MOST IMPORTANT you must take out the CR123s. Even with fresh AAs, if the CR123s go then you're done for as the camera shuts down.

Being in Australia, the power supply didn't come with the camera. The power unit from my 6900Z also does the job for the S2 but I only used it once or twice before deciding that batteries were safer. I've been in the computer game long enough to not completely trust mains power - or, as another poster said, my big feet and power cords are probably more of a risk.

Another reason for using batteries is my practice of doing a clean then immediately going out to do a blue sky shot to check the results then repeating the cleaning cycle if I am not satisfied with the result. Much easier to do this if running on batteries only.

As an aside you all may be interested in my last cleaning episode. During a recent move, somehow all the Eclipse fluid leaked away, and I had also run out of Pec Pads. I needed a clean desperately and in my current location it would have been a week or two to get any replacements.

So I thought I would try the Magic tape method of CCD cleaning. Only problem was I could only get the Scotch version in 1/2 inch width. So I also bought a competing brand about 18mm wide as a backup. In case there was some really stuck spots I bought a generic (made in China) lens cleaning kit with unknown fluid and cheap "lint free" tissues.

I tried the 12mm Scotch tape which did 2/3s of the CCD brilliantly but the other third ended up with many more spots (as you would expect!!). I then tried 2 overlapping strips of the Scotch tape but this left a bit of tape residue - I guess from loose stuff at the edge of the tape. And there were still a few stubborn spots that the tape was not removing.

I had also bought a soft rubber cooking spatula which was cut down to CCD size and trimmed square. So out came the lint free cleaning tissues - two at a time as they were fairly thin and the unknown cleaning fluid. This stuff actually did a remarkable job removing the stubborn spots and leaving no residue as far as I can see. But there were a couple of lint bits left from the tissues.

So next it was the 18mm wide alternative tape - for those in Australia (perhaps US too?) it was PiloTape Invisible Tape. It was obvious that it wasn't quite as finely uniform in the adheasive layer as the Scotch Magic tape. However it did the job of removing the lint and my CCD seems to be the cleanest it has been since I bought the camera.

So, anyone who may be tentative about cleaning the CCD - you might (or then again might not :-)) take heart from my experience? One thing I will recommend to anyone using Pec Pads or similar - get one of those soft rubber or neoprene cooking spatulas. Much, much better for the cleaning job than the cut down (but stiff) plasitc knife I was formerly using. And if anyone wants more in-depth explanations of my tape application methods - let me know. Most of this has been covered by others in another long thread.
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John Pham Regular Member • Posts: 464
Re: The Scotch tape controversy

did anyone try 3M clear post-it tape flags (for book)?
the tape is thicker and leave no residue on paper or glass
plus it is only has halft the glue

Akanohana wrote:

So having read about the Scoth tape method, I decided to give it a
shot. I used the 810 tape in the green package, and while it took
me three tries to remove most of the dust, I'm pleased with the
results, it was fairly easy to do once I got the hang of it (and
cut down the Rubbermaid spatula), and the price was right. I know
there will be plenty of people willing to tell me I'm crazy for
having tried such a stunt, and that's ok, but my question is this:
does anyone who has actually used this method have anything bad to
report?

Derrel Veteran Member • Posts: 4,334
I think I'm gonna buy some Scotch...

I think I'm gonna buy some Scotch...a good single malt,not a blend. And then I'm gonna buy a brand-new,sealed dispenser of the 3M brand tape,the 810 is it??? After a good,stiff shot of the whiskey,I'm gonna' clan the S2's sensor with the tape. I think it will work if done right . I've heard far too many people say it works well if done smoothly and with a little bit of forethought. Still, the single malt Scotch seems to me a needed ingredient in this type of cleaning process. I wouldn't scrimp on that end of the deal.
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DougJones Forum Member • Posts: 64
Hey Derrel...

Derrel wrote:

I think I'm gonna buy some Scotch...a good single malt,not a blend.
And then I'm gonna buy a brand-new,sealed dispenser of the 3M brand
tape,the 810 is it??? After a good,stiff shot of the whiskey,I'm
gonna' clan the S2's sensor with the tape. I think it will work if
done right . I've heard far too many people say it works well if
done smoothly and with a little bit of forethought. Still, the
single malt Scotch seems to me a needed ingredient in this type of
cleaning process. I wouldn't scrimp on that end of the deal.
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Hey Derrel,
After the first attempt you'll be drinking another shot to toast the success!!

I actually think its a lot less troubling than using the "traditional" method. My tips are:

Get a soft rubber or neoprene cooking spatula and cut it down to CCD height ( 16mm) as the width - make sure the end is square and straight.
Prepare the camera all but pressing the shutter button.

Get a decent length of the tape - say 6 inches, careful to touch only the two ends which you hold it by.

Pick up the spatula (with your third hand :-)) and wrap the tape around the tip down each side so you can then hold it with one hand - thumb and finger on each end of the tape.
Press the shutter and pick up the camera.

Put the spatula onto the middle of the CCD - the tape will "grab" so you can let go the ends.
Use the spatula to spread the tape either way onto the CCD.

You will now see why you need a decent length of tape - if its too short it can stick to the inside of the mirror aperture and be hard to grab hold of to remove.

Grab hold of one end of the tape protruding from the opening and gently pull the tape off the CCD.
Discard the tape and turn off the camera - Vioila
Pick up the second glass of scotch.
Read my previous post for a laugh
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