Pretec 12 GB Compact Flash

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John Nicholson
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Pretec 12 GB Compact Flash
May 27, 2004

I'm interested in learning why anyone would consider purchasing this CF card at the staggering price of $14,900.

I assume that potential users (presumably only professionals) must have a need to take several hundred RAW photos without changing cards but I'm struggling to come up with examples of where this type of requirement would exist?

John

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Re: Pretec 12 GB Compact Flash
In reply to John Nicholson, May 27, 2004

man, for this price I buy a 2.6 GB Toshiba laptop and use the rest to spend 6 months in travelling through Europe.
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In reply to John Nicholson, May 27, 2004

Underwater photography.

It would be very handy to have lots of space to do a whole day of shooting without having to find a clean dry location (with fresh water available) to disassemble the housing and extract the data. In situations where significant costs are incurred to put the diver on site to take photos then I could well see this situation. I've heard of cases where multi thousand dollar film cameras are simply thrown away in their dozens in order to get the film out and the photos developed quickly.

But you're right that it's not going to be the normal situation.

cheers Jason =:)

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type of requirement would exist?

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John Nicholson wrote:

I'm interested in learning why anyone would consider purchasing
this CF card at the staggering price of $14,900.

That's a stupid offer and only nitwit would buy it, IMHO. Get 3 x 4GB card is more or less the same.

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In reply to John Nicholson, May 27, 2004

I'm stumped as to why, but I think that if a professional company decided to make one, than there must be a reason. Is there a professional out there who could cast a bit of light on this dark subject(at least for us)

Very curious to know.

John Nicholson wrote:

I'm interested in learning why anyone would consider purchasing
this CF card at the staggering price of $14,900.

I assume that potential users (presumably only professionals) must
have a need to take several hundred RAW photos without changing
cards but I'm struggling to come up with examples of where this
type of requirement would exist?

John

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The perfect card for a 100mp camera.
In reply to StephensonC, May 27, 2004

Aside for applications that require a CF card be installed and never removed, I cant see the logic other than to say "we made it first" - kind of like spending billions of dollars to kick around a few rocks on the moon. I can't see anyone actually buying one, however, except as a status symbol for the I'm-An-Idiot-Billionairre Club. I wouldnt want that much data on a single chip anyway, unless I was taking 100-meg pics.

StephensonC wrote:
I'm stumped as to why, but I think that if a professional company
decided to make one, than there must be a reason. Is there a
professional out there who could cast a bit of light on this dark
subject(at least for us)

Very curious to know.

John Nicholson wrote:

I'm interested in learning why anyone would consider purchasing
this CF card at the staggering price of $14,900.

I assume that potential users (presumably only professionals) must
have a need to take several hundred RAW photos without changing
cards but I'm struggling to come up with examples of where this
type of requirement would exist?

John

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Re: The perfect card for a 100mp camera.
In reply to greentank, May 27, 2004

I am semi-pro, so I can shed some light on it. Firstly, my camera produces 10MB RAW image (only 6MP) , so in this case it would be capable for about 1200 shots. It is not unusual for a wedding photographer to shoot between 400 and 600 in a wedding and he/she must be ready at all times. Nevertheless the 12GB is right now a gimic and will push prices of lower capacity down. Also the $14,999 will soon become $4999, when it actually comes out. It is just attention grabber.

One more reason. In the future with 20MP or even 100MP cameras, the 12GB card would give you 100 shots, so this is the future trend in memory to adjust to the advance in photography and digital imaging/processing.

greentank wrote:
Aside for applications that require a CF card be installed and
never removed, I cant see the logic other than to say "we made it
first" - kind of like spending billions of dollars to kick around a
few rocks on the moon. I can't see anyone actually buying one,
however, except as a status symbol for the
I'm-An-Idiot-Billionairre Club. I wouldnt want that much data on a
single chip anyway, unless I was taking 100-meg pics.

StephensonC wrote:
I'm stumped as to why, but I think that if a professional company
decided to make one, than there must be a reason. Is there a
professional out there who could cast a bit of light on this dark
subject(at least for us)

Very curious to know.

John Nicholson wrote:

I'm interested in learning why anyone would consider purchasing
this CF card at the staggering price of $14,900.

I assume that potential users (presumably only professionals) must
have a need to take several hundred RAW photos without changing
cards but I'm struggling to come up with examples of where this
type of requirement would exist?

John

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In reply to John Nicholson, May 27, 2004

Sounds like they're aiming at folks who want the latest in technology and money is no object. For me, money is an object so I'll wait until prices drop to 1% of the $14,900 + tax and shipping.

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It will hold 1 hour of digital video
In reply to StephensonC, May 27, 2004

It is interesting that it takes exactly 12gb of space to hold 60 minutes of digital video. I suspect the target customer for this card would be some news media people with the newest pro video camcorders that will record the digital video onto a CF card (which is much small than a tape). Besides, TV news people are the only ones who can afford to pay so much for a CF card.

Clifford

StephensonC wrote:
I'm stumped as to why, but I think that if a professional company
decided to make one, than there must be a reason. Is there a
professional out there who could cast a bit of light on this dark
subject(at least for us)

Very curious to know.

John Nicholson wrote:

I'm interested in learning why anyone would consider purchasing
this CF card at the staggering price of $14,900.

I assume that potential users (presumably only professionals) must
have a need to take several hundred RAW photos without changing
cards but I'm struggling to come up with examples of where this
type of requirement would exist?

John

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Sean Keegan
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Lots of people will buy this card......
In reply to John Nicholson, May 27, 2004

See why here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=8952248

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John Nicholson wrote:

I'm interested in learning why anyone would consider purchasing
this CF card at the staggering price of $14,900.

I assume that potential users (presumably only professionals) must
have a need to take several hundred RAW photos without changing
cards but I'm struggling to come up with examples of where this
type of requirement would exist?

John

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John Nicholson
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Re: Lots of people will buy this card......
In reply to Sean Keegan, May 27, 2004

Thanks for the link, an interesting discussion.

I guess I can understand that there will be a market for the product. The one thing I can be certain about is that I won't be in that particular market.

John

Sean Keegan wrote:
See why here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=8952248

Regards,
Sean

John Nicholson wrote:

I'm interested in learning why anyone would consider purchasing
this CF card at the staggering price of $14,900.

I assume that potential users (presumably only professionals) must
have a need to take several hundred RAW photos without changing
cards but I'm struggling to come up with examples of where this
type of requirement would exist?

John

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Sean Keegan
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In reply to John Nicholson, May 27, 2004

John Nicholson wrote:

Thanks for the link, an interesting discussion.

I guess I can understand that there will be a market for the
product. The one thing I can be certain about is that I won't be
in that particular market.

John

Haha! Me too! But I hope what I posted in the link is true. The more early adopters of that expensive cutting edge technology, the faster it will drop to a price we can all afford it.

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Sean

Sean Keegan wrote:
See why here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=8952248

Regards,
Sean

John Nicholson wrote:

I'm interested in learning why anyone would consider purchasing
this CF card at the staggering price of $14,900.

I assume that potential users (presumably only professionals) must
have a need to take several hundred RAW photos without changing
cards but I'm struggling to come up with examples of where this
type of requirement would exist?

John

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cangguek
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Re: Pretec 12 GB Compact Flash
In reply to John Nicholson, May 28, 2004

I assume this card never present in the real world.

Or, it is manufactured just for research, not to be marketed.

Why, because simply no one "crazy" going to purchase it.

Acang

John Nicholson wrote:

I'm interested in learning why anyone would consider purchasing
this CF card at the staggering price of $14,900.

I assume that potential users (presumably only professionals) must
have a need to take several hundred RAW photos without changing
cards but I'm struggling to come up with examples of where this
type of requirement would exist?

John

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In reply to John Nicholson, May 28, 2004

hard drives you could buy with 14900.00?

John Nicholson wrote:

I'm interested in learning why anyone would consider purchasing
this CF card at the staggering price of $14,900.

I assume that potential users (presumably only professionals) must
have a need to take several hundred RAW photos without changing
cards but I'm struggling to come up with examples of where this
type of requirement would exist?

John

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Re: Lots of people will buy this card......
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John Nicholson wrote:

I guess I can understand that there will be a market for the
product. The one thing I can be certain about is that I won't be
in that particular market.

John

Nor are you intended to be in that market. This card is being marketed to video and still pros who are now awaiting their orders for it. One of my long-time friends works for a prominent sport films company in NYC - I called him today to ask if he heard of this card.....his company has pre-ordered 6 of them. Think of the possibilities - an ultra-small handheld video camera right up in the action using a small card that can hold all the action, be slipped to an assistant for processing while the cameraman continues to film, sounds like a great deal to me. Not to mention the savings on non-reusable film.

The most cogent point made in this thread is that this kind of tech advance will start a trickle down process to bigger cards for lower prices - let the good times roll!

BigMamou

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Jerre
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WARNING- new trend in rating compact flash size
In reply to John Nicholson, May 28, 2004

The following article was posted about another new size '8 gig' flash card. Price not as bad as the Pretech but check out the actual data storage size!! Other companies may soon follow this marketing ploy.

Flash Drive Holds 8GB Compressed Data

By Ian Chiu at Wed 26 May 2004, 12:41 PM

4GB Compact Flash card has debuted, but Kanguru is the first to release a 4GB flash drive. The KanguruMicro 2.0 drive can even hold 8GB data, assuming 2:1 data compression.

At a cost of $1699.95, you can get one Apple PowerBook 12", six Apple iPod Mini 4GB or nine 1GB Hi-Speed USB flash drives. Comparatively, the iPod Mini 4GB uses Hitachi’s mechanical miniature hard drive whereas the KanguruMicro 2.0 utilizes NAND flash memory. A 4GB Compact Flash card by Lexar is also several hundred dollars less expensive than the KanguruMicro 2.0.

http://www.everythingusb.com/news/index/3682.htm

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Sean Keegan
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In reply to cangguek, May 28, 2004

I guess you have not read this thread.... there are lots of people who will buy it. This price is a good deal to some people.

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Sean

cangguek wrote:
I assume this card never present in the real world.

Or, it is manufactured just for research, not to be marketed.

Why, because simply no one "crazy" going to purchase it.

Acang

John Nicholson wrote:

I'm interested in learning why anyone would consider purchasing
this CF card at the staggering price of $14,900.

I assume that potential users (presumably only professionals) must
have a need to take several hundred RAW photos without changing
cards but I'm struggling to come up with examples of where this
type of requirement would exist?

John

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Sean Keegan
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Re: WARNING- new trend in rating compact flash size
In reply to Jerre, May 28, 2004

This 12 gig pretec card is a true 12 gig card.

Jerre wrote:

The following article was posted about another new size '8 gig'
flash card. Price not as bad as the Pretech but check out the
actual data storage size!! Other companies may soon follow this
marketing ploy.

Flash Drive Holds 8GB Compressed Data

By Ian Chiu at Wed 26 May 2004, 12:41 PM

4GB Compact Flash card has debuted, but Kanguru is the first to
release a 4GB flash drive. The KanguruMicro 2.0 drive can even hold
8GB data, assuming 2:1 data compression.

At a cost of $1699.95, you can get one Apple PowerBook 12", six
Apple iPod Mini 4GB or nine 1GB Hi-Speed USB flash drives.
Comparatively, the iPod Mini 4GB uses Hitachi’s mechanical
miniature hard drive whereas the KanguruMicro 2.0 utilizes NAND
flash memory. A 4GB Compact Flash card by Lexar is also several
hundred dollars less expensive than the KanguruMicro 2.0.

http://www.everythingusb.com/news/index/3682.htm

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Re: It will hold 1 hour of digital video
In reply to cwmartin, May 28, 2004

cwmartin wrote:

It is interesting that it takes exactly 12gb of space to hold 60
minutes of digital video. I suspect the target customer for this
card would be some news media people with the newest pro video
camcorders that will record the digital video onto a CF card (which
is much small than a tape). Besides, TV news people are the only
ones who can afford to pay so much for a CF card.

Clifford

Well, why not install a 3.5" Hard Drive (20 to 250GB and beyond...) into a digital camcorder itself? Sony had some DVD-camcorders. Hitachi and others too, but why not plug in a cheap hard drive? 20GB HDD is around $50.

I'm curious why the engineers not doing that?

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Sean Keegan
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Re: It will hold 1 hour of digital video
In reply to Thy2, May 28, 2004

Lots of reasons CF is better than hard drives for these kinds of applications,

  1. 1 Heavy... even the lightest 20 gig hard drive is pretty bulky compared to CF

  1. 2 Large size, related to #1 even the smallest 20 gig hard drive is pretty large compared to CF.

  1. 3 battery power hard drives take a lot more energy to use than solid state CF. So if you use a hard drive you need a larger and heavier battery.

  1. 4 CF is easily removable... when one fills up you just plop in another

  1. 5 CF is more reliable than any hard drive

The only issue I can see with CF is its speed... but with 12 gigs of memory I think the card would have to be pretty fast. Probably capable of 15mb/second I would guess, which is pretty comparable to most laptop hard drives.

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cwmartin wrote:

It is interesting that it takes exactly 12gb of space to hold 60
minutes of digital video. I suspect the target customer for this
card would be some news media people with the newest pro video
camcorders that will record the digital video onto a CF card (which
is much small than a tape). Besides, TV news people are the only
ones who can afford to pay so much for a CF card.

Clifford

Well, why not install a 3.5" Hard Drive (20 to 250GB and beyond...)
into a digital camcorder itself? Sony had some DVD-camcorders.
Hitachi and others too, but why not plug in a cheap hard drive?
20GB HDD is around $50.

I'm curious why the engineers not doing that?

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