Dilema: Is G5 worst than G3?

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NicoW
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Dilema: Is G5 worst than G3?
Jul 29, 2003

Hi Guys!

I know that this is a recurrent theme here.

Based on many posts and some brief experience with G3 and G5 cameras, I ordered a G3 to an internet shop. After 15 days of waiting I didn't received the camera yet and I am going out for holidays in 2 days from now.

If the G3 will not arrive in 2 days, the only alternative that I have to take a camera with me is to buy locally a G5, just before go to the plane. In what concernes the orderd G3 I just have to not to take it from the Post company at its arrival (I will be out then).

About prices: The street price of G3 here is higher than G5. Yes its true!

Is G5 image worst than G3? is the fringing and noise problems so diffrent from the G3?

Please give me your thoughts about this situation.

Many thanks,

NicoW
Portugal

Sonson
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In reply to NicoW, Jul 29, 2003

I'm so satisfy with my G5.

And I just posted my first gallery tonight.

http://www.pbase.com/sonsondei/inbox

Hope you'll like it.

Wilson

NicoW wrote:

Hi Guys!

I know that this is a recurrent theme here.

Based on many posts and some brief experience with G3 and G5
cameras, I ordered a G3 to an internet shop. After 15 days of
waiting I didn't received the camera yet and I am going out for
holidays in 2 days from now.

If the G3 will not arrive in 2 days, the only alternative that I
have to take a camera with me is to buy locally a G5, just before
go to the plane. In what concernes the orderd G3 I just have to not
to take it from the Post company at its arrival (I will be out
then).

About prices: The street price of G3 here is higher than G5. Yes
its true!

Is G5 image worst than G3? is the fringing and noise problems so
diffrent from the G3?

Please give me your thoughts about this situation.

Many thanks,

NicoW
Portugal

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Jim Jasutis
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In reply to Sonson, Jul 29, 2003

Sonson wrote:

I'm so satisfy with my G5.

Just what I needed. A satisfied customer. I have been debating this for a couple of months now. I have a Kodak DCS520, that takes nice pictures, but it is just so heavy that it sits at home 95% of the time. I was looking for something I would be more likely to take with me. I had seriously considered the G5. Then I saw sooooo many negative comments, that I almost bought the G3 today. I couldn't get to the store, so I was going to go tomorrow. Now I am confused again.

I really want to get one or the other before my birthday on the 19th of next month. Guess I will just have to flip a coin. :> )

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In reply to Jim Jasutis, Jul 29, 2003

To sum up:

G5 has 1MP more than G3, about 10% more in term of resolution.
G5 has a little bit more in image noise
G5 is little slower for transferring pictures to CF card (bigger file size)
G5 is black and sexy
G5 has a slightly bigger LCD display

G5 has all the problems G3 has, Canon did not make any improvement to make G5 a more usable Camera

Is G5 worth $150 more? you have to decide! but on this forum, all the G5 owns are happy with their G5, and so are the G3 owners happy with their G3.

Jim Jasutis wrote:

Sonson wrote:

I'm so satisfy with my G5.

Just what I needed. A satisfied customer. I have been debating this
for a couple of months now. I have a Kodak DCS520, that takes nice
pictures, but it is just so heavy that it sits at home 95% of the
time. I was looking for something I would be more likely to take
with me. I had seriously considered the G5. Then I saw sooooo many
negative comments, that I almost bought the G3 today. I couldn't
get to the store, so I was going to go tomorrow. Now I am confused
again.

I really want to get one or the other before my birthday on the
19th of next month. Guess I will just have to flip a coin. :> )

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In reply to NicoW, Jul 29, 2003

Hi NicoW,

Until 3 days ago, I was in the same situation as you are (and others) now - G3/G5 confusion. At first, I was gonna get a G5, but after reading many debates/arguments in this forum I got confused ... G3 or G5 or ...... Over 1 month, I thought of nothing but G3 or G5 until I read a post (somewhere in this forum) who simply advices to "get a camera - any camera and start taking pictures!" So I did, tried to get a G3 (simply because it was $300 cheaper) but not in stock, so I picked up a G5 instead .... so far I'm very happy with it, no CA, no "noise" what so ever ....:) My advice is, GET A CAMERA AND GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE .. you will not see the CA or the "noise" unless you look for them!
If the G5 is cheaper than a G3, it would be silly for not getting a G5!

Just make sure that you can cancel the G3 purchase first! (or have both and do your own investigation ...
cheers,
LTP

NicoW wrote:

Hi Guys!

I know that this is a recurrent theme here.

Based on many posts and some brief experience with G3 and G5
cameras, I ordered a G3 to an internet shop. After 15 days of
waiting I didn't received the camera yet and I am going out for
holidays in 2 days from now.

If the G3 will not arrive in 2 days, the only alternative that I
have to take a camera with me is to buy locally a G5, just before
go to the plane. In what concernes the orderd G3 I just have to not
to take it from the Post company at its arrival (I will be out
then).

About prices: The street price of G3 here is higher than G5. Yes
its true!

Is G5 image worst than G3? is the fringing and noise problems so
diffrent from the G3?

Please give me your thoughts about this situation.

Many thanks,

NicoW
Portugal

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arra
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dchao wrote:

To sum up:

G5 has 1MP more than G3, about 10% more in term of resolution.

Yes, it's only one advantage.

G5 has a little bit more in image noise
G5 is little slower for transferring pictures to CF card (bigger
file size)

Well known cons.

G5 is black and sexy

For me, is black and plastic

G5 has a slightly bigger LCD display

Tell me more. Have I missed something?

G5 has all the problems G3 has, Canon did not make any improvement
to make G5 a more usable Camera

G3-> G5 is more like G2-> black G2.

G3Fun
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EPO
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In reply to dchao, Jul 29, 2003

Hope im not the first to say BUT I GET IT JUST B/C ITS BLACK!

Anyways no will notice the problems with G5. Its all BLOWN UP. Its the person taking it that SCREWS up NOT the camera.

MYC

dchao wrote:
To sum up:

G5 has 1MP more than G3, about 10% more in term of resolution.
G5 has a little bit more in image noise
G5 is little slower for transferring pictures to CF card (bigger
file size)
G5 is black and sexy
G5 has a slightly bigger LCD display
G5 has all the problems G3 has, Canon did not make any improvement
to make G5 a more usable Camera

Is G5 worth $150 more? you have to decide! but on this forum, all
the G5 owns are happy with their G5, and so are the G3 owners happy
with their G3.

Jim Jasutis wrote:

Sonson wrote:

I'm so satisfy with my G5.

Just what I needed. A satisfied customer. I have been debating this
for a couple of months now. I have a Kodak DCS520, that takes nice
pictures, but it is just so heavy that it sits at home 95% of the
time. I was looking for something I would be more likely to take
with me. I had seriously considered the G5. Then I saw sooooo many
negative comments, that I almost bought the G3 today. I couldn't
get to the store, so I was going to go tomorrow. Now I am confused
again.

I really want to get one or the other before my birthday on the
19th of next month. Guess I will just have to flip a coin. :> )

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netslacker
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In reply to LTP, Jul 29, 2003

The G5 issues have been WAY WAY WAY overblown! The G5 is a great camera. The G3 is a great camera. Just get one and get on with it is good advice. I got the G5 and love it. I would do the same if I had to do it all over again. A friend of mine has the G3 and it too is a great camera.

Stephen

P.S. All things the same I would pay at least $100 just for the black color.

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dchao
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In reply to EPO, Jul 29, 2003

If you are so good at using your G5, show me a picture taken with ISO 400 setting, and show me there is no noise. Set you zoom all the way to 7.2mm and show me there is no distorsion at corners. May be you can show me how you can put on a lens adaptor and does not block the autofocus light. May be the focus on your G5 is so fast and accurate, that non of your picture is out of focus, and you have never missed any oppotunity.

Enzoxyz wrote:
Hope im not the first to say BUT I GET IT JUST B/C ITS BLACK!
Anyways no will notice the problems with G5. Its all BLOWN UP.
Its the person taking it that SCREWS up NOT the camera.

MYC

dchao wrote:
To sum up:

G5 has 1MP more than G3, about 10% more in term of resolution.
G5 has a little bit more in image noise
G5 is little slower for transferring pictures to CF card (bigger
file size)
G5 is black and sexy
G5 has a slightly bigger LCD display
G5 has all the problems G3 has, Canon did not make any improvement
to make G5 a more usable Camera

Is G5 worth $150 more? you have to decide! but on this forum, all
the G5 owns are happy with their G5, and so are the G3 owners happy
with their G3.

Jim Jasutis wrote:

Sonson wrote:

I'm so satisfy with my G5.

Just what I needed. A satisfied customer. I have been debating this
for a couple of months now. I have a Kodak DCS520, that takes nice
pictures, but it is just so heavy that it sits at home 95% of the
time. I was looking for something I would be more likely to take
with me. I had seriously considered the G5. Then I saw sooooo many
negative comments, that I almost bought the G3 today. I couldn't
get to the store, so I was going to go tomorrow. Now I am confused
again.

I really want to get one or the other before my birthday on the
19th of next month. Guess I will just have to flip a coin. :> )

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mike savad
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In reply to NicoW, Jul 29, 2003

does it really matter? do you really think you'll be able to learn how to use either camera in only 2 days? why did you wait till now? i never undestood why people get these things, so soon before a vacation.

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Mike Savad

NicoW wrote:

Hi Guys!

I know that this is a recurrent theme here.

Based on many posts and some brief experience with G3 and G5
cameras, I ordered a G3 to an internet shop. After 15 days of
waiting I didn't received the camera yet and I am going out for
holidays in 2 days from now.

If the G3 will not arrive in 2 days, the only alternative that I
have to take a camera with me is to buy locally a G5, just before
go to the plane. In what concernes the orderd G3 I just have to not
to take it from the Post company at its arrival (I will be out
then).

About prices: The street price of G3 here is higher than G5. Yes
its true!

Is G5 image worst than G3? is the fringing and noise problems so
diffrent from the G3?

Please give me your thoughts about this situation.

Many thanks,

NicoW
Portugal

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In reply to dchao, Jul 30, 2003

I am sorry i am not going to just do that for you. Now how many time will i be taking pictures with the setting u want me to? SILLY

dchao wrote:
If you are so good at using your G5, show me a picture taken with
ISO 400 setting, and show me there is no noise. Set you zoom all
the way to 7.2mm and show me there is no distorsion at corners.
May be you can show me how you can put on a lens adaptor and does
not block the autofocus light. May be the focus on your G5 is so
fast and accurate, that non of your picture is out of focus, and
you have never missed any oppotunity.

Enzoxyz wrote:
Hope im not the first to say BUT I GET IT JUST B/C ITS BLACK!
Anyways no will notice the problems with G5. Its all BLOWN UP.
Its the person taking it that SCREWS up NOT the camera.

MYC

dchao wrote:
To sum up:

G5 has 1MP more than G3, about 10% more in term of resolution.
G5 has a little bit more in image noise
G5 is little slower for transferring pictures to CF card (bigger
file size)
G5 is black and sexy
G5 has a slightly bigger LCD display
G5 has all the problems G3 has, Canon did not make any improvement
to make G5 a more usable Camera

Is G5 worth $150 more? you have to decide! but on this forum, all
the G5 owns are happy with their G5, and so are the G3 owners happy
with their G3.

Jim Jasutis wrote:

Sonson wrote:

I'm so satisfy with my G5.

Just what I needed. A satisfied customer. I have been debating this
for a couple of months now. I have a Kodak DCS520, that takes nice
pictures, but it is just so heavy that it sits at home 95% of the
time. I was looking for something I would be more likely to take
with me. I had seriously considered the G5. Then I saw sooooo many
negative comments, that I almost bought the G3 today. I couldn't
get to the store, so I was going to go tomorrow. Now I am confused
again.

I really want to get one or the other before my birthday on the
19th of next month. Guess I will just have to flip a coin. :> )

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NicoW
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In reply to mike savad, Jul 30, 2003

Thanks guys. My G3 just arrived a few hours ago. So my problem is solved.

The problem is that the shipoment of the camera took more one week that was suposed to.

Mike:

It is not a learning problem. I already used a G3 for a few days with very good results. I also used several Digital cameras from other makes at my work. I have more than 20 years of experience in 35 mm cameras. So, I don't find a big deal to start working with a camera in one day or two, mainly if you can see the results so soon.

Why to buy the camera so near the vacations? I was waiting for the G5 to know how it will be. It was with the reviews I read and with the constructive opinnionsn that I read here that made decide by the G3... and some people don't have the money just when they want. Don't you think that's possible too?

Thanks to you all, who helped in my decisions.

NicoW

mike savad wrote:
does it really matter? do you really think you'll be able to learn
how to use either camera in only 2 days? why did you wait till now?
i never undestood why people get these things, so soon before a
vacation.

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Mike Savad

NicoW wrote:

Hi Guys!

I know that this is a recurrent theme here.

Based on many posts and some brief experience with G3 and G5
cameras, I ordered a G3 to an internet shop. After 15 days of
waiting I didn't received the camera yet and I am going out for
holidays in 2 days from now.

If the G3 will not arrive in 2 days, the only alternative that I
have to take a camera with me is to buy locally a G5, just before
go to the plane. In what concernes the orderd G3 I just have to not
to take it from the Post company at its arrival (I will be out
then).

About prices: The street price of G3 here is higher than G5. Yes
its true!

Is G5 image worst than G3? is the fringing and noise problems so
diffrent from the G3?

Please give me your thoughts about this situation.

Many thanks,

NicoW
Portugal

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In reply to EPO, Jul 30, 2003

Are you saying the bad pictures has nothing to do with the camera? You certainly have not heard about Canon 10D adn 1Ds which can take wonderful pictures in low light and fast action shots.

If it's nothing to do with the camera, you are posting the reply in the wrong thread. This is a Canon camera forum, and we are talking about the Canon digicam G3 and G5. I don't think you comments help NicoW at all.

Enzoxyz wrote:

Its the person taking it that SCREWS up NOT the camera.

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In reply to dchao, Jul 30, 2003

If this is a Canon G3 and G5 discussion, why are you discussing the 10D and 1Ds? Aren't these cameras at least twice the price?

dchao wrote:
Are you saying the bad pictures has nothing to do with the camera?
You certainly have not heard about Canon 10D adn 1Ds which can take
wonderful pictures in low light and fast action shots.

If it's nothing to do with the camera, you are posting the reply in
the wrong thread. This is a Canon camera forum, and we are talking
about the Canon digicam G3 and G5. I don't think you comments help
NicoW at all.

Enzoxyz wrote:

Its the person taking it that SCREWS up NOT the camera.

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In reply to iscsidude, Jul 30, 2003

Since it has nothing to do with the camera (like Enzoxyz said), so the price doesn't matter either, doesn't it?

If you agree with Enzoxyz, why bother even read this forum, since your pictures can be improved solely base on the experience of the photographer, it has nothing to do with the brand of camera and the price of the camera. You should just pick up you camera and go out and take some pictures, post your pictures on photo forums like pbase or photosig.

John Latimore wrote:
If this is a Canon G3 and G5 discussion, why are you discussing the
10D and 1Ds? Aren't these cameras at least twice the price?

dchao wrote:
Are you saying the bad pictures has nothing to do with the camera?
You certainly have not heard about Canon 10D adn 1Ds which can take
wonderful pictures in low light and fast action shots.

If it's nothing to do with the camera, you are posting the reply in
the wrong thread. This is a Canon camera forum, and we are talking
about the Canon digicam G3 and G5. I don't think you comments help
NicoW at all.

Enzoxyz wrote:

Its the person taking it that SCREWS up NOT the camera.

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John

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In reply to dchao, Jul 30, 2003

Picture has something to do with the camera. 99.9999% of the time you wont have those problems or if you are good u can fix it. You still didnt answer my question. How many time would anyone use those kid of setting? You are just asking for trouble.
Now what would those dSLR do with what we are talking about here?

Are you trying to imply you know SO MUCH b/c you listed 10d & 1Ds? Just b/c you write it here doesnt mean you know what you are talking about. It does not give you CREDIT.

All i said was that most people wont be having the problem that comes with a G5. IT IS OVER BLOWN.

Saying G5 or G3 sucks would make my comments NOT help. I do know what forum i am at. The real question is DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE WHINING ABOUT?

dchao wrote:
Are you saying the bad pictures has nothing to do with the camera?
You certainly have not heard about Canon 10D adn 1Ds which can take
wonderful pictures in low light and fast action shots.

If it's nothing to do with the camera, you are posting the reply in
the wrong thread. This is a Canon camera forum, and we are talking
about the Canon digicam G3 and G5. I don't think you comments help
NicoW at all.

Enzoxyz wrote:

Its the person taking it that SCREWS up NOT the camera.

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In reply to EPO, Jul 30, 2003

I agree with you, there is not too much difference in term of picture quality between the G3 and G5, but there are still difference worth mentioning on this forum (for example, price is one), so other forum members can make a wise dicision.

I am complaining because I think it's misleading to say all bad pictures taken by Canon G3 or G5 is the fault of the photographers. You are setting high expectation for the people reading your post. Camera is only a tool, digital is better than film, but any tool will have its limitation, it's not magic, you know.

I don't have a 10D or 1Ds, but I still have my film SLR (Canon EOS-3). So I know what a SLR camera can or can not do. I have also seen pictures posted on the Canon SLR forum, and under a tough condition, these pictures are much better quality than the G3/G5 shots.

To answer some of your critisisms:

1. Low noise ISO 400, I have seen pictures posted on Canon DSLR forum by 10D or 1Ds, there is no way my G3 can do that. I have taken pictures (with ISO400) at indoor concerts, museums, (which flash is no allowed) and I was wishing I had a quieter camera.

2. So many times, I used 7.2mm to take pictures of buildings, and the edges and corners are all distorted (curvered), I tried use PS again, but the distortion was just too much for PS to be able to fix.

3. I have also been taking macro-shot of a product with close-up filters, because the object is quite small. Because it's indoor and dark, as soon as I put the filter adaptors on it block the focus light, making focusing very tricky. What really annoys me is that I can not use the focus assistance light on the external flash on G3, because it requires a white light.

4. There are so many oppotunities of my kids playing and running in the playground which I missed because the slow focusing. Now, I am experimenting with hyperfocusing.

As you can see, I don't think my requirements are out of the ordinary. But if I had a better DSLR, I would not have to worry so much about the technicality so much. But I still want the convenience of P&S that's why I have choosed the G3.

Enzoxyz wrote:
Picture has something to do with the camera. 99.9999% of the time
you wont have those problems or if you are good u can fix it. You
still didnt answer my question. How many time would anyone use
those kid of setting? You are just asking for trouble.
Now what would those dSLR do with what we are talking about here?
Are you trying to imply you know SO MUCH b/c you listed 10d & 1Ds?
Just b/c you write it here doesnt mean you know what you are
talking about. It does not give you CREDIT.
All i said was that most people wont be having the problem that
comes with a G5. IT IS OVER BLOWN.
Saying G5 or G3 sucks would make my comments NOT help. I do know
what forum i am at. The real question is DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE
WHINING ABOUT?

dchao wrote:
Are you saying the bad pictures has nothing to do with the camera?
You certainly have not heard about Canon 10D adn 1Ds which can take
wonderful pictures in low light and fast action shots.

If it's nothing to do with the camera, you are posting the reply in
the wrong thread. This is a Canon camera forum, and we are talking
about the Canon digicam G3 and G5. I don't think you comments help
NicoW at all.

Enzoxyz wrote:

Its the person taking it that SCREWS up NOT the camera.

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In reply to NicoW, Jul 30, 2003

Hi NicoW and all,

I'm just a newcomer in the G5.

Last weekend I had the possibillity for testing and it was so incredible fun that I have ordered one immediately. Unfortunately there was no G3 to be tested but I think it was the right decision.

We will be on vacation from Sunday so it is just in time. If it was up to me I'd have taken a D100 or so but it's the money you know.

After all that testing I think the G5 is a good camera and easy to handle so I would say if you can get it, just take it.

Cheers
tiger1799

NicoW wrote:

Hi Guys!

I know that this is a recurrent theme here.

Based on many posts and some brief experience with G3 and G5
cameras, I ordered a G3 to an internet shop. After 15 days of
waiting I didn't received the camera yet and I am going out for
holidays in 2 days from now.

If the G3 will not arrive in 2 days, the only alternative that I
have to take a camera with me is to buy locally a G5, just before
go to the plane. In what concernes the orderd G3 I just have to not
to take it from the Post company at its arrival (I will be out
then).

About prices: The street price of G3 here is higher than G5. Yes
its true!

Is G5 image worst than G3? is the fringing and noise problems so
diffrent from the G3?

Please give me your thoughts about this situation.

Many thanks,

NicoW
Portugal

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iscsidude
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In reply to tiger1799, Jul 31, 2003

Cheers,

I also just purchased a G5 and am taking excellent pictures. I am a Canon A1 owner for twenty+ years, and in that time I have found that for most photos, I use the "A" function exclusively. Now I will admit when my creative juices flow it is nice to set to Aperture or Shutter Priority with different shutter speeds. But nothing beats being able to immediately see the result. I feel like a kid in a candy store. This is my first digital camera and I didn't want to go overboard on what I consider to be a test. Anyway, Canon will have 20M Pixels for the same price as the current D-SLR models when I am willing to upgrade.

Have a great vacation!

tiger1799 wrote:
Hi NicoW and all,

I'm just a newcomer in the G5.
Last weekend I had the possibillity for testing and it was so
incredible fun that I have ordered one immediately. Unfortunately
there was no G3 to be tested but I think it was the right decision.
We will be on vacation from Sunday so it is just in time. If it was
up to me I'd have taken a D100 or so but it's the money you know.

After all that testing I think the G5 is a good camera and easy to
handle so I would say if you can get it, just take it.

Cheers
tiger1799

NicoW wrote:

Hi Guys!

I know that this is a recurrent theme here.

Based on many posts and some brief experience with G3 and G5
cameras, I ordered a G3 to an internet shop. After 15 days of
waiting I didn't received the camera yet and I am going out for
holidays in 2 days from now.

If the G3 will not arrive in 2 days, the only alternative that I
have to take a camera with me is to buy locally a G5, just before
go to the plane. In what concernes the orderd G3 I just have to not
to take it from the Post company at its arrival (I will be out
then).

About prices: The street price of G3 here is higher than G5. Yes
its true!

Is G5 image worst than G3? is the fringing and noise problems so
diffrent from the G3?

Please give me your thoughts about this situation.

Many thanks,

NicoW
Portugal

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