Comparo: Canon EF 16-35IS vs. Canon EF-M 11-22IS

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Re: Comparo: Canon EF 16-35IS vs. Canon EF-M 11-22IS

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kotmj wrote:

Considering the size, cost and aperture differences, and the fact that they are both perfectly adequate performance-wise, the 11-22 seems to be the better everyday option for APS-C.

only if you were able to limit yourself to using the EOS-M.

True. And mirrorless has serious downsides to a DSLR too. A 100D and 10-18mm has several advantages (much better ergonomics, PD AF, OVF). M has the size advantage.

very much so.  Personally I can see this being where canon devotes alot of energy.  Very quietly canon has come up with a pretty stellar, and inexpensive EF-S STM lineup.

otherwise, the 10-18 EF-S is probably the better choice. of course if you have a full frame camera, then this comparison is rather pointless - since it can't use the EF-M nor the EF-S lenses.

I put my EF-S 10-18mm STM on my EOS M and my full frame 6D. Pretty nice results, albeit the corners on FF are soft. But then again, I can go down to 14mm, and it is waaaay lighter than the 16-35mm. So it has some plus sides too. (I don't have to point out the plus sides from the awesome 16-35mm f4 IS).

There is that.  It would be nice if canon worked out a reliable method of moving the FF mirror out of the way of EF-S lenses.

Getting a EOS-M to save a few dollars (around 800 USD total for EOS-M and 11-22) versus 1200 to use on an existing full frame camera doesn't make much sense given the IQ differences in between crop and full frame as well.

The IQ difference is there, but not that big in most situations. FF mostly has a DOF flexibility advantage, but for (ultra) wide angle for most people that is not an important factor.

it will also have future IQ benefits - where the APS-C sitting at around 24Mp is really hitting the significant diminishing returns with each release; FF at a 6D level of 22Mp still has a way to go, it it starts to level off as far as diminishing returns.

IMO, you'd get more benefit, and more increased benefit over time on a FF than an APS-C (at least night now)

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Well, it should be much better-balanced on a 1D-series body than a 6D. Good glass and good flashguns help my ancient 1D Mark II N bodies remain relevant.

The improved weather-sealing, as evidenced when Roger Cicala disassembled a 16-35/4L/IS, have moved this lens to the very top of my to-buy list, when $1200 becomes an attainable sum. A weather-resistant top-tier pro body, even an older model, deserves a matching lens.

I'm fine with it's weight and balance on the 6D (the 70-300L- THAT'S unbalanced, but still usable!).

I just get a bit wistful when I see those nice small camera packages....

Nahhhh, I'l stick with the full frame.

You can't go wrong with the 16-35 F4L, it's great. And now we know it's pretty toughly built to, a big plus.

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OP Abu Mahendra Veteran Member • Posts: 5,299
Re: Comparo: Canon EF 16-35IS vs. Canon EF-M 11-22IS

I think you are right. The FF combo is still blurring the background a bit more.
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OP Abu Mahendra Veteran Member • Posts: 5,299
Comparo: Canon EF 16-35IS vs. Canon EF-M 11-22IS

6D, 24mm, f/9, center

M, 15mm, f/5.6, center

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OP Abu Mahendra Veteran Member • Posts: 5,299
Comparo: Canon EF 16-35IS vs. Canon EF-M 11-22IS

6D, 24mm, f/9, corner

M, 15mm, f/5.6, corner

All via DPP, RAW, Live-view AF, two-second release, tripod, 100% view and print-screen. Focus distance about 2.2 meters, roughly hyperfocal.

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kotmj Contributing Member • Posts: 571
Re: Comparo: Canon EF 16-35IS vs. Canon EF-M 11-22IS

Still liking the full frame combo more, but will happily take the crop combo given the enormous size, weight, and cost differences.

OP Abu Mahendra Veteran Member • Posts: 5,299
Re: Comparo: Canon EF 16-35IS vs. Canon EF-M 11-22IS

The differences are too slight. Biggest one is that the 6D puts 20Mpix while the M 18Mpix. It could be just that. With the FF combo we are well into the negative slope of the marginal returns curve. Real-world at low ISO the differences, as far as this resolution test goes, are probably even less. The EF lens is the best UW zoom ever by Canon, and the EF-M lens is right on its heels.

I'll post the 18mm vs. 11mm shots shortly. Suffice it to say, there ain't any big surprises. Both lenses are exceedingly good.
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OP Abu Mahendra Veteran Member • Posts: 5,299
Re: Comparo: Canon EF 16-35IS vs. Canon EF-M 11-22IS

As the Lensrentals comparo attests the 16-35L II is pretty decent stopped down. What did your comparo with the 10-18 reveal?

I may actually pick up the 10-18 out of curiosity to test it against the new EF and the EF-M lenses.
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Re: Comparo: Canon EF 16-35IS vs. Canon EF-M 11-22IS

Abu Mahendra wrote:

As the Lensrentals comparo attests the 16-35L II is pretty decent stopped down. What did your comparo with the 10-18 reveal?

I may actually pick up the 10-18 out of curiosity to test it against the new EF and the EF-M lenses.
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16-35II wins.  honestly simple as that.  but they are close.  10-18 had at least two things going against it, one was it was being used with an adapter, and lensrentals had an article how bad adapters and UWA lenses are.  second, I was useing it on a 1.5x crop sensor  I know its not that much different from 1.6, but it is a bit bigger.  the lens performed a lot better at 11mm, than 10mm

I subsequently took the combo on a field where I had to climb some rocks to get to tide, and ended with very satisfactory images.  Thats the thing, its not purely about which combo wins in absolute image quality, you have to consider size and convinience.

I really hope canon comes up with a better M, slightly better senosr (DR wise) and much better AF, and an EVF, and a good 50 1.8.  I would buy the kit in a heart bit with the three zoom combo, the 22 pancake and the 50.  I may even some day give up my 5d3 with all the lenses.

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Damoo Senior Member • Posts: 1,099
Re: Comparo: Canon EF 16-35IS vs. Canon EF-M 11-22IS

Do u regret your decision Abu.

Just couple of days ago, I gave my 10-22mm to my friend to try it out before he decides to buy it from me. I was thinking to add the 14mm or this new 16-35mm f4L IS to my 6D. Still feel that the 10-22 is an extra ordinary lens with amazing sharpness and clarity giving stunning perspectives.

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OP Abu Mahendra Veteran Member • Posts: 5,299
Re: Comparo: Canon EF 16-35IS vs. Canon EF-M 11-22IS

Too early to tell. The upshot is that I now own two great UW zoom lenses.
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Re: Comparo: Canon EF 16-35IS vs. Canon EF-M 11-22IS

6D, 18mm, f/9, corner

M, 11mm, f/5.6, corner

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EF-S 10-18 vs. EF-M 11-22?

Abu Mahendra wrote:

As the Lensrentals comparo attests the 16-35L II is pretty decent stopped down. What did your comparo with the 10-18 reveal?

I may actually pick up the 10-18 out of curiosity to test it against the new EF and the EF-M lenses.

I'd like to see this. I have a 10-22 that is great optically but I don't like to carry big stuff around anymore. I was thinking of eBaying my T2i + my non-STM kit EF-S lenses + the 10-22 and get a SL1 + STM lens kit. Including the 10-18.

But I don't want to do this if I take too much of a hit with image quality. I'd prefer the SL1 to my M because I really have a problem framing with the LCD. But if the EF-M 11-22IS is noticeably better than the 10-18, then I'd skip the SL1 kit and get an 11-22.

(I already have a 6D + 40mm + 70-200 f/4L IS.)

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Re: EF-S 10-18 vs. EF-M 11-22?

Lawrencew tested them, and short of it is that the EF-M lens prevails over the EF-S lens.
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straylightrun Senior Member • Posts: 1,441
Re: EF-S 10-18 vs. EF-M 11-22?

Abu Mahendra wrote:

Lawrencew tested them, and short of it is that the EF-M lens prevails over the EF-S lens.
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>> I love the Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM lens! <<

Amazing performance from that tiny lens. Kind of shocked that the bigger FF lens has hardly any IQ improvement.

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Re: Comparo: Canon EF 16-35IS vs. Canon EF-M 11-22IS

OK and the point is?

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OP Abu Mahendra Veteran Member • Posts: 5,299
Re: EF-S 10-18 vs. EF-M 11-22?

straylightrun wrote:

Abu Mahendra wrote:

Lawrencew tested them, and short of it is that the EF-M lens prevails over the EF-S lens.
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Amazing performance from that tiny lens. Kind of shocked that the bigger FF lens has hardly any IQ improvement.

Aye. Both lenses are awsome.

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Re: EF-S 10-18 vs. EF-M 11-22?

straylightrun wrote:

Abu Mahendra wrote:

Lawrencew tested them, and short of it is that the EF-M lens prevails over the EF-S lens.
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>> I love the Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM lens! <<

Amazing performance from that tiny lens. Kind of shocked that the bigger FF lens has hardly any IQ improvement.

the EF-M 11-22 is worth the price of admission into the EF-M ecosystem for what it is.

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