Canon EOS 5D Mark III: Is there any disadvantage?

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A lot of low-light photographers would like illuminated AF points.

I don't know if I'm on drugs or if my 5D3 is special, but I have illuminated AF points. Or is it not referring to what I think it's referring to? I know when I AF in low light, the used points blink red.

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Well, unless your 5D3 is very special, it only blinks red when you change focus points or lock focus. What a lot of folks would like is for the AF point(s) to remain illuminated (as they were with the 5D2), so that they can see where the AF point is and position it accordingly before locking focus.

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bhollis wrote:

Well, unless your 5D3 is very special, it only blinks red when it locks focus. What a lot of folks would like is for the AF point(s) to be illuminated beforehand (as they were with the 5D2), so that they can see where the AF point is and position it accordingly before locking focus.

And that's what I really like about my 5D2, 1D IV etc., and which still bothers me when I use my 7D with its LCD enabled viewfinder.  I'm surprised that my now more limited photography misses this feature so much.  (If only it could be customised...)

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M Stewart wrote:

bhollis wrote:

Well, unless your 5D3 is very special, it only blinks red when it locks focus. What a lot of folks would like is for the AF point(s) to be illuminated beforehand (as they were with the 5D2), so that they can see where the AF point is and position it accordingly before locking focus.

And that's what I really like about my 5D2, 1D IV etc., and which still bothers me when I use my 7D with its LCD enabled viewfinder. I'm surprised that my now more limited photography misses this feature so much. (If only it could be customised...)

Well, here's a workaround that I've found works fairly well . . .

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3260517

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bhollis wrote:

M Stewart wrote:

bhollis wrote:

Well, unless your 5D3 is very special, it only blinks red when it locks focus. What a lot of folks would like is for the AF point(s) to be illuminated beforehand (as they were with the 5D2), so that they can see where the AF point is and position it accordingly before locking focus.

And that's what I really like about my 5D2, 1D IV etc., and which still bothers me when I use my 7D with its LCD enabled viewfinder. I'm surprised that my now more limited photography misses this feature so much. (If only it could be customised...)

Well, here's a workaround that I've found works fairly well . . .

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3260517

Many thanks - I've given that a go, (the Spot Meter option doesn't seem to be available on my 7D, so I've tried customising a different button).  In the lounge, it does seem to help. Will have to wait and see whether it's a help in normal usage.

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No, what I mean is LCD viewfinder, which is what I said, though I can see the confusion, it's LCD overlay, the 5d3 and 1dx both have LCD overlay viewfinders just like the 7D, which is what was being discussed.

http://m.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2013/eos1dx_intelligent_viewfinder_display.mshtml

And the primary criticism of the LCD overlay is that it doesn't provide illuminated AF points for low-light shooting.

Hasn't been much of a problem for me, but some folks have complained bitterly about it. A partial firmware fix was provided for the 1DX, but so far nothing for the 5D3.

I expect this will be rectified in the 5D4.

Also it displays AF points in black not red color in AI-servo mode. It's unable to toggle with 5x/10x magnification directly in OVF where EVF has significant advantage in such areas such as in MF lenses. I'd like future Canon DSLRs support hybrid VF with an EVF that can be inserted into the hotshoe for example.

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A lot of action photographers would like a faster burst rate.

And a larger buffer.

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bhollis wrote:

Keith Z Leonard wrote:

No, what I mean is LCD viewfinder, which is what I said, though I can see the confusion, it's LCD overlay, the 5d3 and 1dx both have LCD overlay viewfinders just like the 7D, which is what was being discussed.

http://m.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2013/eos1dx_intelligent_viewfinder_display.mshtml

And the primary criticism of the LCD overlay is that it doesn't provide illuminated AF points for low-light shooting.

Hasn't been much of a problem for me, but some folks have complained bitterly about it. A partial firmware fix was provided for the 1DX, but so far nothing for the 5D3.

I expect this will be rectified in the 5D4.

Also it displays AF points in black not red color in AI-servo mode. It's unable to toggle with 5x/10x magnification directly in OVF where EVF has significant advantage in such areas such as in MF lenses. I'd like future Canon DSLRs support hybrid VF with an EVF that can be inserted into the hotshoe for example.

Sounds like you've fallen in love with focus peaking?  EVF might be a hard sell to the 5D crowd, EVF in hotshoe could be interesting as an alternative to rear display during live view though.  Or are you assuming that 5D4 would be mirrorless?

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Keith Z Leonard wrote:

qianp2k wrote:

bhollis wrote:

Keith Z Leonard wrote:

No, what I mean is LCD viewfinder, which is what I said, though I can see the confusion, it's LCD overlay, the 5d3 and 1dx both have LCD overlay viewfinders just like the 7D, which is what was being discussed.

http://m.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2013/eos1dx_intelligent_viewfinder_display.mshtml

And the primary criticism of the LCD overlay is that it doesn't provide illuminated AF points for low-light shooting.

Hasn't been much of a problem for me, but some folks have complained bitterly about it. A partial firmware fix was provided for the 1DX, but so far nothing for the 5D3.

I expect this will be rectified in the 5D4.

Also it displays AF points in black not red color in AI-servo mode. It's unable to toggle with 5x/10x magnification directly in OVF where EVF has significant advantage in such areas such as in MF lenses. I'd like future Canon DSLRs support hybrid VF with an EVF that can be inserted into the hotshoe for example.

Sounds like you've fallen in love with focus peaking? EVF might be a hard sell to the 5D crowd, EVF in hotshoe could be interesting as an alternative to rear display during live view though. Or are you assuming that 5D4 would be mirrorless?

I actually don't count on focus peaking (turned on but only for reference) in my A7R. For manual focus, I use 1x/7x/14x magnification toggle directly in EVF that is so easy and straightforward and with higher precision (customized central push button on the back dial wheel for this function, or C1 button next to shutter button), or focus assistance that as soon as you rotate the focus ring on the lens, it automatically enters into magnification mode. One AF mode that many like is DMF (direct manual focus) mode that will allow you to stay in AF and then if you decide to use MF with magnification then all you have to do is turn the lens focus ring while half pressing the shutter button with timer 2 sec~indefinite that you can adjust, so you start with AF and then you can MF with magnification on top of AF for further precise focus calibration.

I don't believe 5D4 will be ML but still DSLR. For an optional EVF works, camera needs to be in LV mode. Then comes to request of much better focus in LV mode that so far Canon is not very good at. Dual-pixel in 70D is much better than other Canon cameras but still lags behind from competitors.

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is the truth.

Exactly what I consider it to be, but I re-phrased and called it " a good all-around-camera" in order to avoid too much flaming, LOL, whatever that is, if it works for the individuals, that's all it matters.

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I actually don't count on focus peaking (turned on but only for reference) in my A7R. For manual focus, I use 1x/7x/14x magnification toggle directly in EVF that is so easy and straightforward and with higher precision (customized central push button on the back dial wheel for this function, or C1 button next to shutter button), or focus assistance that as soon as you rotate the focus ring on the lens, it automatically enters into magnification mode. One AF mode that many like is DMF (direct manual focus) mode that will allow you to stay in AF and then if you decide to use MF with magnification then all you have to do is turn the lens focus ring while half pressing the shutter button with timer 2 sec~indefinite that you can adjust, so you start with AF and then you can MF with magnification on top of AF for further precise focus calibration.

I don't believe 5D4 will be ML but still DSLR. For an optional EVF works, camera needs to be in LV mode. Then comes to request of much better focus in LV mode that so far Canon is not very good at. Dual-pixel in 70D is much better than other Canon cameras but still lags behind from competitors.

Right, I figured you mean it to be in live view, but wanted to clarify.  Seems like it would come in handy.  I kind of wish we could have both the LCD overlay AND interchangeable screens...I actually like split prism focusing.

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Higher dynamic range is certainly valued by many landscape photographers and higher dynamic range is provided by models of comparable cost from Nikon and Sony.

My understanding is that if you find yourself using HDR, that will much less often with the Sony sensor.

I use Dual-ISO from MagicLantern, to get better dynamic range. It costs a significant amount of resolution to match the DR of the Sony sensor. So with my 6d, I have about 14 EV DR at about 10 - 12 mpx, rather than 36 mpx at 14 EV DR.

I stress that I have always been a Canon user and have never used either of the other two makes.

Same here.

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4 - price.

Major factor. The "street price" of the 6d is now about half of the 5d3.

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Some day. Perhaps.

Canon seems to be "dragging its heels" on this one.

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Keith Z Leonard wrote:

qianp2k wrote:

I actually don't count on focus peaking (turned on but only for reference) in my A7R. For manual focus, I use 1x/7x/14x magnification toggle directly in EVF that is so easy and straightforward and with higher precision (customized central push button on the back dial wheel for this function, or C1 button next to shutter button), or focus assistance that as soon as you rotate the focus ring on the lens, it automatically enters into magnification mode. One AF mode that many like is DMF (direct manual focus) mode that will allow you to stay in AF and then if you decide to use MF with magnification then all you have to do is turn the lens focus ring while half pressing the shutter button with timer 2 sec~indefinite that you can adjust, so you start with AF and then you can MF with magnification on top of AF for further precise focus calibration.

I don't believe 5D4 will be ML but still DSLR. For an optional EVF works, camera needs to be in LV mode. Then comes to request of much better focus in LV mode that so far Canon is not very good at. Dual-pixel in 70D is much better than other Canon cameras but still lags behind from competitors.

Right, I figured you mean it to be in live view, but wanted to clarify. Seems like it would come in handy. I kind of wish we could have both the LCD overlay AND interchangeable screens...I actually like split prism focusing.

The old split prism is not very easy to use that you'd need to wide open aperture if light is not bright.  EVF is not just much easier and accurate in MF but has many other benefits such as live histogram, live and accurate exposure, (highlight) zebra pattern and many other info.

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No internal radio control for an external speedlight.

I know adding one would've made the camera more expensive, but it's a right pain having to have a lump of stuff attached to my hotshoe when I want to use off camera flash.

Other than that, very happy!

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i have a 5d III, for me the real problem are canon sensors in high contrast scenes, lot of nasty noise pop up when lift shadow. i bought nikon d610 recently because of that. a lot less work processing files.

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i have a 5d III, for me the real problem are canon sensors in high contrast scenes, lot of nasty noise pop up when lift shadow. i bought nikon d610 recently because of that. a lot less work processing files.

Looks to me more like a metering issue, no? I am not saying the Sony sensors do not offer more shadow lifting, but I am of two thoughts on this: one is that in a situation as above, if the audience was the focus, then you should have metered on them, and not the sky. At worst, a compromise between the two.

The second is that a lot of shadow lifting is more detrimental than helpful for a picture IMO. I'm not saying it is not nice to have the option, to save a mistake as in the shot above, but contrast is part of making the shot and the composition, otherwise it is just flat.

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I have the 5D3 and the Sony A7 so here is how they compare:The 5d3 has great dynamic range over all. Only when you push the shadows abnormally, my Sony A 7 has an advantage. The adavantage only exists at iso 100 and 200. At 400 both cameras are equal and from iso 800 the 5d3 takes the lead. The 5D3 is also much better at high iso noise. On 5D3 iso 6400  is usable on  the sony iso 1600 is the maxmum I would use.  In short: the 5d 3 is the best allround camera for me. Its  lightyears ahedad of sony with regards to operability. The opticval viewfinder is much, much better for careful composing. While the EVF of the sony shows more information, your eyes get tired from looking through it for prolonged periods of time.   Plus: There are no good AF-zoom lenses for the Sony. the kit lens 28-70 maybe ok for its cheap price, but the borders are fuzzy at every focal length and aperture. The Zeiss 24-70 is expensive, and fuzyy at wideangle. Its not even close to Canons 24-105.

I use the sony A7 only for scanning slides these days (with an adapted macro lens).  If you wan to get the shot each and every time, enjoy a huge choice of lenses and great usability, the 5 D3 is certianly the far better choice. I havent used the Nikon D800 so I cant comment on that.

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Looks to me more like a metering issue, no?

no mistake! the meter is in the nice blue sky...if i did the meter to shadows what happened? yes it´s a very amazing feature to have. hope next canon sensores are able to do this or best.

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filipebv wrote:

Looks to me more like a metering issue, no?

no mistake! the meter is in the nice blue sky...if i did the meter to shadows what happened? yes it´s a very amazing feature to have. hope next canon sensores are able to do this or best.

Why would you meter the blue sky? Is that the subject of the photo?

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