Are we a bit misdirected?

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Gray Drake
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Are we a bit misdirected?
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Just a comment about photo quality and it's ability to capture the reality/beauty/emotion of a moment in time.   We spend most of our time here (including me) with assessments of the technical marvels of our cameras and our skill with editing.

After looking at this photo taken by my daughter (which I captured off her facebook page),  I again humbly realize the effectiveness of the delivery of the essence of the moment to the viewer of the photo has little to do with the technical capability of our equipment or our skill at the computer

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... I ... humbly realize the effectiveness of the delivery of the essence of the moment to the viewer of the photo has little to do with the technical capability of our equipment or our skill at the computer

It depends on whether you are merely producing a snapshot to capture a moment in time (which your daughter has done superbly) where the equipment may be less of a factor in the result, or creating something with more demanding quality requirements, such being able to use the image file to produce a fine art enlargement print.

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Yep.  And, what a shot!

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There was a very good article in today's New York Times that, even though it was supposed to be about a retrospective museum exhibit for a photographer including images from rolls of film he did not develop while still alive, actually it was about the long standing neurosis about whether photography is art or is it just a mechanical process that involves pressing a shutter button at the right time?

Is it art if the photographer carefully selects and prints his works?  How about if he just selects, but does not print his own work?  How about if he has died and has never seen the images that someone else will select and print?  Are the images still art, even though captured by a mechanical device?

The article went on to discuss Vivian Meier, whose box of negatives was discovered (purchased) after her death, so she didn't select or print - but the quality of her street photography made her well known anyway, posthumously.

In the end the article concludes that for the photographer in question, who didn't do much selection and did not carefully print his own works, having someone else select and print for the retrospective was not too far from the photographer's normal process.  For this photographer, the art was in capturing the image at the right moment.  And if we are willing to admit it in this case, it is clear that there is art in a picture captured at just the right moment to tell a story and convey emotions.  In short, we should not be neurotic about what makes a photograph art.  It is art if the photographer says it is.

Good. Now, beyond that, there is something to be said for having control over depth of field, color intensity, white balance, etc.  I've seen images posted hear that are remarkable for the photographic and post processing skill they demonstrate.  I've seen other images that are remarkable captures of a scene I will never personally see.   I appreciate them all.

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Gray Drake wrote:

Just a comment about photo quality and it's ability to capture the reality/beauty/emotion of a moment in time. We spend most of our time here (including me) with assessments of the technical marvels of our cameras and our skill with editing.

After all, this (M4/3) is primarily a gear forum, so that figures. There's a bunch of other forums here that deal with images and styles thereof.

After looking at this photo taken by my daughter (which I captured off her facebook page), I again humbly realize the effectiveness of the delivery of the essence of the moment to the viewer of the photo has little to do with the technical capability of our equipment or our skill at the computer

Drake

Meanwhile, thank your daughter for the great image, the kid's' faces say it all.

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Hey now, watch it with that "we" business! LOL

Yes, a lot of people on this forum are, in my opinion, inordinately focused on the technical aspect of photography. But then, this is a gear oriented website. You can find ones where the aesthetics of the photo takes greater precedence by far.

One reason for that is that pretty much anyone can develop technical chops, but refining an aesthetic vision and style can be elusive to some. I wager all of us look at some photos a child or beginner has taken and think "Well, snap, how'd he manage to do that?" from the standpoint of admiring their aesthetic. I know I do at times.

There can be some pretentiousness involved in such discussions, on both sides. Frankly, I'd say about 75% of those discussing such things really are only taking what would be considered "snapshots". By that I mean capturing random moments in time for personal satisfaction. Sure, some folks turn up their noses at what they call snapshots, as though what they produce as they wander through the woods or along a street, looking for "the right shot", is somehow superior to what they call a "snapshot". Most of the bluster involved in the discussion is just ego bolstering narcissism on both sides. That's why I think photos by kids or beginners can sometimes be so good: they aren't worried about who they will impress, they just want to capture the moment.

I like what Gary Winogrand said, "I photograph to find out what something will look like photographed."

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If it makes you happy.    And that's all that matters for me too.

And thanks for sharing your photo.

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Gray Drake wrote:

Just a comment about photo quality and it's ability to capture the reality/beauty/emotion of a moment in time. We spend most of our time here (including me) with assessments of the technical marvels of our cameras and our skill with editing.

After looking at this photo taken by my daughter (which I captured off her facebook page), I again humbly realize the effectiveness of the delivery of the essence of the moment to the viewer of the photo has little to do with the technical capability of our equipment or our skill at the computer

Drake

I'm misdirected by absence of EXIF data. The shot could be taken by cellphone.

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Gray Drake wrote:

Just a comment about photo quality and it's ability to capture the reality/beauty/emotion of a moment in time. We spend most of our time here (including me) with assessments of the technical marvels of our cameras and our skill with editing.

After looking at this photo taken by my daughter (which I captured off her facebook page), I again humbly realize the effectiveness of the delivery of the essence of the moment to the viewer of the photo has little to do with the technical capability of our equipment or our skill at the computer

Drake

I'm misdirected by absence of EXIF data. The shot could be taken by cellphone.

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Taken with a Canon 7d, lens and other details?, as mentioned earlier, I captured this image from my daughter's Facebook posting.

It is the image that matters, whether gathered by a cellphone or Hasselblad.  Your response defines the basis for my initial posting.

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s_grins wrote:

Gray Drake wrote:

Just a comment about photo quality and it's ability to capture the reality/beauty/emotion of a moment in time. We spend most of our time here (including me) with assessments of the technical marvels of our cameras and our skill with editing.

After looking at this photo taken by my daughter (which I captured off her facebook page), I again humbly realize the effectiveness of the delivery of the essence of the moment to the viewer of the photo has little to do with the technical capability of our equipment or our skill at the computer

Drake

I'm misdirected by absence of EXIF data. The shot could be taken by cellphone.

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Taken with a Canon 7d, lens and other details?, as mentioned earlier, I captured this image from my daughter's Facebook posting.

It is the image that matters, whether gathered by a cellphone or Hasselblad. Your response defines the basis for my initial posting.

Drake

Drake, you've missed my point: when image matters, everything else does not matter (camera included)

Please admit else that some photos that matter to you not necessarily matter to others. The sample is below (matters to me only)

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Gray Drake wrote:

Just a comment about photo quality and it's ability to capture the reality/beauty/emotion of a moment in time. We spend most of our time here (including me) with assessments of the technical marvels of our cameras and our skill with editing.

After looking at this photo taken by my daughter (which I captured off her facebook page), I again humbly realize the effectiveness of the delivery of the essence of the moment to the viewer of the photo has little to do with the technical capability of our equipment or our skill at the computer

Drake

Despite the fact that it's a nice image I think it could look nicer. Obviously it's going to look bad captured from a website but the camera it was originally captured with will undoubtably effect how much it can be improved.

This may not matter so some people but I see nothing wrong with having an image that captures a nice memory which is also technically good. I'd choose it over a poor image of a nice memory any day.

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Gray Drake wrote:

Just a comment about photo quality and it's ability to capture the reality/beauty/emotion of a moment in time. We spend most of our time here (including me) with assessments of the technical marvels of our cameras and our skill with editing.

After looking at this photo taken by my daughter (which I captured off her facebook page), I again humbly realize the effectiveness of the delivery of the essence of the moment to the viewer of the photo has little to do with the technical capability of our equipment or our skill at the computer

Drake

Can you use simpler words and shorter sentences?

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I'm not misdirected, Drake, but it seems you have been and needed this corrective jolt, courtesy of your daughter. Well done.

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Don't want to burst the bubble(pun intended) but, many folks are really in photography for the equipment and can give you very clear shots of things that simply don't move the needle in terms of interestingness. Don't misunderstand me, they strive for something but are far better at analyzing, comparing, contrasting and discussing the tools of photography. And, there's nothing wrong with that, it's extremely satisfying.

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Gray Drake wrote:

Just a comment about photo quality and it's ability to capture the reality/beauty/emotion of a moment in time. We spend most of our time here (including me) with assessments of the technical marvels of our cameras and our skill with editing.

After looking at this photo taken by my daughter (which I captured off her facebook page), I again humbly realize the effectiveness of the delivery of the essence of the moment to the viewer of the photo has little to do with the technical capability of our equipment or our skill at the computer

Drake

It's not very sharp, but the composition/subject is better than 90% of the dreck that people post to this forum. I definitely rate it higher than this lousy Statue of Liberty photo: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53970549

I highly recommend that people look to Instragram for better photography.

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Gray Drake wrote:

Just a comment about photo quality and it's ability to capture the reality/beauty/emotion of a moment in time. We spend most of our time here (including me) with assessments of the technical marvels of our cameras and our skill with editing.

After looking at this photo taken by my daughter (which I captured off her facebook page), I again humbly realize the effectiveness of the delivery of the essence of the moment to the viewer of the photo has little to do with the technical capability of our equipment or our skill at the computer

Drake

It's not very sharp, but the composition/subject is better than 90% of the dreck that people post to this forum. I definitely rate it higher than this lousy Statue of Liberty photo: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53970549

I highly recommend that people look to Instragram for better photography.

wow, that's a low blow, even for you.

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I highly recommend that people look to Instragram for better photography.

I sincerely hope this line was meant in jest. I can barely see the photo through all the stupid fake filters half the time.

If that's considered good photography these days maybe I should scan in all the crappy old snaps in the attic which are probably scratched and faded by now.

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;-)dennis tennis wrote:

Gray Drake wrote:

Just a comment about photo quality and it's ability to capture the reality/beauty/emotion of a moment in time. We spend most of our time here (including me) with assessments of the technical marvels of our cameras and our skill with editing.

After looking at this photo taken by my daughter (which I captured off her facebook page), I again humbly realize the effectiveness of the delivery of the essence of the moment to the viewer of the photo has little to do with the technical capability of our equipment or our skill at the computer

Drake

Can you use simpler words and shorter sentences?

Post pics?

Less talk?

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