Lens reversal ring for Olympus 60mm macro?

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Dunkelbunt
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Lens reversal ring for Olympus 60mm macro?
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Is there a lens reversal ring for the Olympus 60mm with the E-M10? I have not been able to find one.

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Dunkelbunt wrote:

Is there a lens reversal ring for the Olympus 60mm with the E-M10? I have not been able to find one.

Not being a macro specialist, and just genuinely trying to find out information, why would you want to do this with the macro lens and lose autofocus and auto exposure.  I would think the auto extension tubes such as made by Kenko might be a better way to get closer?  Again, just trying to understand what you would use the reversal ring for.  Thanks.

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I got one on ebay last year. I've misplaced it and can't recall the brand name but it was inexpensive as it was a simple plastic ring. I'd just do a search on ebay and I'm pretty sure you'd find one. Good luck!

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Being a beginner myself, my understanding is that reversing a macro lens gets you even closer to your subject than the extension tubes will alone. I do own extension tubes and would like to try using them together with the lens reversal ring to be able to fill the frame with the eye of a dragonfly for example.

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Thanks. I'll look on ebay again.

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Dunkelbunt wrote:

Being a beginner myself, my understanding is that reversing a macro lens gets you even closer to your subject than the extension tubes will alone. I do own extension tubes and would like to try using them together with the lens reversal ring to be able to fill the frame with the eye of a dragonfly for example.

I think I've misplaced mine because I found a better way to "skin the cat" as we used to say. When you reverse a lens to a camera body the working distance between the rear of you reversed lens to your subject becomes very difficult. You will literally be touching the rear lens element in some cases.

A much better solution (for me at least) is to mount the 60mm macro normally then get a "macro coupler". You retain all the electronic functions of the camera and lens but can get extremely high magnifications by mounting another reversed lens to the front of your 60mm macro. Working distance will still be a problem but much less so. Your magnification will depend on the lens you reverse mount onto the front of your 60 macro. Just divide the 60 by the reversed lens to get your magnification. Say you reverse mount a 25mm lens onto the 60, your magnification will be 60 divided by 25 = 2.4x. Or you reverse mount a 12mm onto the 60, your magnification will be 5x.

I first learned of this technique from the great photographer John Shaw in his "Close Ups in Nature" , a fantastic book. I'm sure you could do an internet search on this topic and find a much more professional explanation. Good luck.

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Dave Lively
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Lens reversal adapters are used to get more magnification with regular lenses, not macro lenses.  The 60mm is designed to be a macro lens and should give the best quality results when used as it is designed, not reversed.

If you want more magnification I would suggest either an extension tube or a good add on macro lens like the Raynox.

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What you need is a reversing ring for the M4/3rd mount with the filter thread matching the thread of the lens you intend to use. Just use a lens at any focal you consider appropriate, and the fact that the lens is macro is not relevant. The 60mm macro when used reversed will work just like an ordinary 60mm.

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Kameraphil wrote:

Just use a lens at any focal you consider appropriate, and the fact that the lens is macro is not relevant. The 60mm macro when used reversed will work just like an ordinary 60mm.

Would reversing the 60mm really help?  Since I have never used more than 1:1 I will defer to those of you that actually take pictures at higher magnification ratios.  But reversing the 60mm macro does not seem like a good idea.

I know that reversing a regular lens can improve macro performance and capabilities.  But with a lens like the 60mm that already goes down to 1:1 will it really work better reversed?

I have never tried it since 1:1 is already pretty demanding.  Higher magnification macro is kind of like trying to use extremely long lenses.  Technique becomes very important and there is more to it than just buying a lens.  At some point you need specialized lighting equipment like ring flashes, a really good tripod with a rail and have to start considering focus stacking.  Even at 1:1 I constantly run into having to choose between too little depth of field and too much diffraction.  Trying to get more magnification than 1:1 with an inexpensive reversal ring sounds a lot like trying to get a lot of reach by buying a cheap 2x teleconverter for the Panasonic 100-300 and hand holding it.  It might be fun to play with but the results would not be worth the trouble.

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Reversal rings aren't for specific lenses-- they're for filter threads. You buy a reversal ring that on one side has the necessary mount to go on your camera, and on the other side it has threading so you can screw on your lens reversed, you you buy one that matches your filter thread.

I wouldn't recommend using MFT lenses on reversal ring, though. You lose all provision to control the lens's aperture or focus motor.

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Zensu11 wrote:

Dunkelbunt wrote:

Being a beginner myself, my understanding is that reversing a macro lens gets you even closer to your subject than the extension tubes will alone. I do own extension tubes and would like to try using them together with the lens reversal ring to be able to fill the frame with the eye of a dragonfly for example.

I think I've misplaced mine because I found a better way to "skin the cat" as we used to say. When you reverse a lens to a camera body the working distance between the rear of you reversed lens to your subject becomes very difficult. You will literally be touching the rear lens element in some cases.

A much better solution (for me at least) is to mount the 60mm macro normally then get a "macro coupler".

+1 for macro couplers.

Have no personal experiences, but my friend used that to photograph snowflakes. (Though instead of the macro coupler ring, he used the duct tape on the venerable Canon 85mm.)

Effectively, one uses reversed lens as a close-up filter (with the help of the coupler ring) screwing it on another lens. Simply search for "macro coupler ring".

P.S. Just gotten myself a set of close-up filters, btw. Another affordable option for macro.

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I think it is much easier to add macro extension rings to extend the macro capabilities of the lens.

Here is a demonstration of how they work:

http://m43photo.blogspot.fi/2013/07/meike-macro-rings-highly-recommended.html

When using the full 26mm extension on the Leica 45mm f/2.8 1:1 macro lens, the macro reproduction rate increases to 1:0.55, also written as 1.8x. This is a very high magnification.

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When the lens is used reversed, it will be treated just like any other lens of the same focal length and its being a macro is completely irrelevant. The fact that it's a native lens is also irrelevant (the camera is not aware of what lens is being attached!), so I'd advised using a lens that you can adjust the aperture while on reversed (Ignore Panasonic-Leica lenses with the aperture rings. These rings are not machanical and so, not adjustable).

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