Canon 6D BIF is it capable enough?

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Canon 6D BIF is it capable enough?
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Hello,

If this question has been asked before then I apologise.

But is the 6D capable of taking decent photographs of BIF? 90% of my photography is wildlife and most of the subjects are static, but I need a camera capable of taking good images of moving objects. I have considered the 7D as well but for some reason keep on coming back to the 6D.

I would appreciate your help and thoughts in this matter.

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Dexs wrote:

Hello,

If this question has been asked before then I apologise.

But is the 6D capable of taking decent photographs of BIF? 90% of my photography is wildlife and most of the subjects are static, but I need a camera capable of taking good images of moving objects. I have considered the 7D as well but for some reason keep on coming back to the 6D.

I would appreciate your help and thoughts in this matter.

Yes this question or something similar has been asked a fair bit. More in the context of 7D/70D vs 6D. So you may want to scan the forums for the relevant discussions to get more opinions.

I would say, the 7D is a great action orientated camera. It was (some say still is) the best crop camera built for BIF, sports, etc. The 6D is more a low light FF specialist that can also shoot BIF if you are inclined, but that's not its speciality and takes more work to get the results you want.

For my part, I have both 7D and 6D and use them regularly. If I am going out shooting wild birds in good light, and I need the reach (when don't you for birds ), then I grab the 7d. But I grab the 6D for pretty much everything else (i.e. low light or not reach limited (zoos, parks, around town, etc)). If you use the center AF pt then the 6D does fine. AF is very fast and accurate (as good or better than my 7D) even in very low light (here it really beats the 7D). The biggest draw back for me with using the 6D is the frames/sec. Can't remember the numbers off hand but its about 1/2 the number of the 7D. Also, obviously the 6D lacks the zone or focus assist pts of the 7D. I don't use them much so for me its not an issue but if you do, then no contest. And of course you have the crop factor and reach to consider, which also gives an advantage to the 7D for reach limited situations.

So can the 6D shoot BIF? Yes, I do regularly. But is it the best option? That's depends on your use.

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crazybadger wrote:

Dexs wrote:

Hello,

If this question has been asked before then I apologise.

But is the 6D capable of taking decent photographs of BIF? 90% of my photography is wildlife and most of the subjects are static, but I need a camera capable of taking good images of moving objects. I have considered the 7D as well but for some reason keep on coming back to the 6D.

I would appreciate your help and thoughts in this matter.

Yes this question or something similar has been asked a fair bit. More in the context of 7D/70D vs 6D. So you may want to scan the forums for the relevant discussions to get more opinions.

I would say, the 7D is a great action orientated camera. It was (some say still is) the best crop camera built for BIF, sports, etc. The 6D is more a low light FF specialist that can also shoot BIF if you are inclined, but that's not its speciality and takes more work to get the results you want.

For my part, I have both 7D and 6D and use them regularly. If I am going out shooting wild birds in good light, and I need the reach (when don't you for birds ), then I grab the 7d. But I grab the 6D for pretty much everything else (i.e. low light or not reach limited (zoos, parks, around town, etc)). If you use the center AF pt then the 6D does fine. AF is very fast and accurate (as good or better than my 7D) even in very low light (here it really beats the 7D). The biggest draw back for me with using the 6D is the frames/sec. Can't remember the numbers off hand but its about 1/2 the number of the 7D. Also, obviously the 6D lacks the zone or focus assist pts of the 7D. I don't use them much so for me its not an issue but if you do, then no contest. And of course you have the crop factor and reach to consider, which also gives an advantage to the 7D for reach limited situations.

So can the 6D shoot BIF? Yes, I do regularly. But is it the best option? That's depends on your use.

I have a 5D III and a 6D.  My main interest is wildlife followed by landscapes.  The 6D is my go to lens for landscapes, but when I am out in the field for wildlife, I have the 5D3 on my 500MM and the 6D on the 100-400.  I have had occasion to use the 6D with flying birds and it does a passable job at focusing so long as you keep the center point on the bird.

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Dexs wrote:

Hello,

If this question has been asked before then I apologise.

But is the 6D capable of taking decent photographs of BIF? 90% of my photography is wildlife and most of the subjects are static, but I need a camera capable of taking good images of moving objects. I have considered the 7D as well but for some reason keep on coming back to the 6D.

I'm sure it would work, because any camera can do it. I've used much slower FF cameras for BIF. The shutter speeds used for BIF are rather high making freezing action and getting a sharp image relatively easy for the camera. If you can track the bird, you can get the shot. However, unless you have plenty of money to spend on long lenses, a FF is somewhat limiting. You need to get real close with a FF body for most birds to get much in the way of detail on a flyer. That is why crop bodies are so popular with a lot of bird/wildlife folk. The false sense of more focal length provided for shorter lenses when used on a crop body is greatly appreciated. A 70D is another option. It's not a screamer in the fps department, but it is fast enough and has a good amount of pixels for grabbing some addition detail in a crop.

What are you using now?

I would appreciate your help and thoughts in this matter.

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Any cameras can take a few shots of BIF such as I have bunch of BIF shots from 5D classic, just more or less hit rate.  By this regard 1DX > 5D3 > 6D

Since you shoot static subjects 90% of time and BIF is only casual shooting, 6D should be sufficient in your priority.

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Schwany wrote:

Dexs wrote:

Hello,

If this question has been asked before then I apologise.

But is the 6D capable of taking decent photographs of BIF? 90% of my photography is wildlife and most of the subjects are static, but I need a camera capable of taking good images of moving objects. I have considered the 7D as well but for some reason keep on coming back to the 6D.

I'm sure it would work, because any camera can do it. I've used much slower FF cameras for BIF. The shutter speeds used for BIF are rather high making freezing action and getting a sharp image relatively easy for the camera. If you can track the bird, you can get the shot. However, unless you have plenty of money to spend on long lenses, a FF is somewhat limiting. You need to get real close with a FF body for most birds to get much in the way of detail on a flyer. That is why crop bodies are so popular with a lot of bird/wildlife folk. The false sense of more focal length provided for shorter lenses when used on a crop body is greatly appreciated. A 70D is another option. It's not a screamer in the fps department, but it is fast enough and has a good amount of pixels for grabbing some addition detail in a crop.

What are you using now?

A Canon 1100D with a 100-400 4.5-5.6L IS USM Lens

I would appreciate your help and thoughts in this matter.

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Hello,

If this question has been asked before then I apologise.

But is the 6D capable of taking decent photographs of BIF? 90% of my photography is wildlife and most of the subjects are static, but I need a camera capable of taking good images of moving objects. I have considered the 7D as well but for some reason keep on coming back to the 6D.

I would appreciate your help and thoughts in this matter.

Since there are so many better options out there, the 6D is simply the wrong tool.

No need to write long essays about it
or even discuss it further.

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But is the 6D capable of taking decent photographs of BIF? 90% of my photography is wildlife and most of the subjects are static, but I need a camera capable of taking good images of moving objects. I have considered the 7D as well but for some reason keep on coming back to the 6D.

I would appreciate your help and thoughts in this matter.

Hello,

Of course, any current dSLR is capable of taking decent photos of BIF, including 6D.

But 5D3 has a very nice, complex and flexible AF system who makes the job easier to be done. "Easy" is perhaps not the best word because some times action photos with birds are far from "easy" to be taken and many things may not rely just on camera alone. Anyhow, I would say the photographer needs considerably more experience if he uses 6D for action photos with birds compared to using 5D3. Practically you would need to follow subject / action just with central AF point with 6D, and this is not a trivial task. With 5D3 you have a lot more options.

Besides this, 5D3 is a very flexible camera which allows changing several settings very quickly; AF system and not only. Of course, 6D is far from being unusable, but again you would need more experience and you may fail in more situations.

Another drawback with 6D when used in action photography is minimum T = 1/4000s.
This shot was taken with 1/6400s (camera = 7D, back in 2011):

(sorry not available in high resolution at the moment of editing this post)

I had the chance to experiment on site with shutterspeeds starting with 1/2000s and all results had motion blur until I reached 1/6400s, as in image above. Was not very happy to use such a short T since I needed to raise ISO accordingly, and with 7D this was not very funny. Some might say minimum 1/4000s is not a drama, and they are right for most situations.

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Fog Maker wrote:

Hello,

If this question has been asked before then I apologise.

But is the 6D capable of taking decent photographs of BIF? 90% of my photography is wildlife and most of the subjects are static, but I need a camera capable of taking good images of moving objects. I have considered the 7D as well but for some reason keep on coming back to the 6D.

I would appreciate your help and thoughts in this matter.

Since there are so many better options out there, the 6D is simply the wrong tool.

No need to write long essays about it
or even discuss it further.

Great answer!!

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Hang on for the 7D2, or get the 7D or 70D.  The crop factor helps for shooting distant small subjects (birds). That being said, the 6D has been used for BIF by some, and I would guess that the 6D may be uniquely good at blue hour BIF photography. If you are shooting in reasonable light, the crop or APS-H sensors are the way to go.

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Dexs wrote:

Fog Maker wrote:

Hello,

If this question has been asked before then I apologise.

But is the 6D capable of taking decent photographs of BIF? 90% of my photography is wildlife and most of the subjects are static, but I need a camera capable of taking good images of moving objects. I have considered the 7D as well but for some reason keep on coming back to the 6D.

I would appreciate your help and thoughts in this matter.

Since there are so many better options out there, the 6D is simply the wrong tool.

No need to write long essays about it
or even discuss it further.

Great answer!!

...if you like unsubstantiated proclamations!

It happens that he is probably right, but you wouldn't know it from his lack of support info.

There have been many valuable ways lot looking at this issue here, and there is not only 1 good answer. Particularly since the 7D is a bit long in the tooth.

A new 7D would probably be the right answer.

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Dexs wrote:

Fog Maker wrote:

Hello,

If this question has been asked before then I apologise.

But is the 6D capable of taking decent photographs of BIF? 90% of my photography is wildlife and most of the subjects are static, but I need a camera capable of taking good images of moving objects. I have considered the 7D as well but for some reason keep on coming back to the 6D.

I would appreciate your help and thoughts in this matter.

Since there are so many better options out there, the 6D is simply the wrong tool.

No need to write long essays about it
or even discuss it further.

Great answer!!

Too bad it's not the correct answer.

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TTMartin wrote:

Dexs wrote:

Fog Maker wrote:

Hello,

If this question has been asked before then I apologise.

But is the 6D capable of taking decent photographs of BIF? 90% of my photography is wildlife and most of the subjects are static, but I need a camera capable of taking good images of moving objects. I have considered the 7D as well but for some reason keep on coming back to the 6D.

I would appreciate your help and thoughts in this matter.

Since there are so many better options out there, the 6D is simply the wrong tool.

No need to write long essays about it
or even discuss it further.

Great answer!!

Too bad it's not the correct answer.

The 6D can be used for BIF although not ideal. Is it your priority? If not you are good to go with it with some compromise over other options. If yes, choose other options. In Canon new gear, that is only 70D, 5DMkIII and 1DX (7D has been retired).  You choose APS-C or FF sensor.  Since you asked about 6D, you must be looking at FF sensor. Therefore only 5DIII or 1DX is correct choice if BIF is priority. Choice is now determined by budget.  Lenses are not included and are extra.

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riknash wrote:

TTMartin wrote:

Dexs wrote:

Fog Maker wrote:

Hello,

If this question has been asked before then I apologise.

But is the 6D capable of taking decent photographs of BIF? 90% of my photography is wildlife and most of the subjects are static, but I need a camera capable of taking good images of moving objects. I have considered the 7D as well but for some reason keep on coming back to the 6D.

I would appreciate your help and thoughts in this matter.

Since there are so many better options out there, the 6D is simply the wrong tool.

No need to write long essays about it
or even discuss it further.

Great answer!!

Too bad it's not the correct answer.

The 6D can be used for BIF although not ideal. Is it your priority? If not you are good to go with it with some compromise over other options. If yes, choose other options. In Canon new gear, that is only 70D, 5DMkIII and 1DX (7D has been retired). You choose APS-C or FF sensor. Since you asked about 6D, you must be looking at FF sensor. Therefore only 5DIII or 1DX is correct choice if BIF is priority. Choice is now determined by budget. Lenses are not included and are extra.

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The 6D is not the best BIF camera, but, the OP wasn't asking for the best BIF camera. The OP asked if the 6D could acceptably do BIF photography. Yes, it can!!!

The biggest disadvantage of the 6D is the same as the 5D Mk III and the 1D X (hint it's not the focus system), it's the full frame sensor requires longer focal lengths than a crop sensor camera would.

The disadvantage crop sensor cameras have is they don't have as good of low light performance as full frame sensor cameras do.

The Canon 70D is a very well rounded APS-C camera and is worth considering. It falls between the 7D and 6D in low light performance, frame rate, and RAW buffer.

If the 6D is the best camera for everything you want to do except BIF, it still might be the best camera.

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The biggest disadvantage of the 6D is the same as the 5D Mk III and the 1D X (hint it's not the focus system), it's the full frame sensor requires longer focal lengths than a crop sensor camera would.

The disadvantage crop sensor cameras have is they don't have as good of low light performance as full frame sensor cameras do.

...

Well, putting above 2 sentences in ballance - one may land on the fact that...

____ Cropping a 6D/5D3 image with a factor of 1,6 to reach perspective of an crop camera
____ like 7D she/he may get same image quality as with 7D.

I have done my homework before switching from 7D to 5D3 to check the above statement and, to my eyes, the 5D3 image was even better than the same scene shot with 7D. Comparison on monitor screen, looking at "fit screen", 50% and 100%; although the cropped 5D3 image had only some 8.6MP. Test repeated with several ISO values, same conclusion. I assume this test would have cvasi-similar results when comparing 6D as FF camera vs. 7D, 60D, 70D as crop camera.

The nice thing with FF cameras is that actually you may learn techniques to aproach the WL subject (which brings a lot of fun!) and thus you may not always need huge crops for the final photo. And so you get a nice IQ in the end. Anyhow, as far as I am concerned, and maybe other collegues may confirm, I came back home from field with better photos with 5D3 compared to what I had from 7D, using same old 300f/4L, sometimes with TC1.4xII.

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fpix wrote:

TTMartin wrote:
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The biggest disadvantage of the 6D is the same as the 5D Mk III and the 1D X (hint it's not the focus system), it's the full frame sensor requires longer focal lengths than a crop sensor camera would.

The disadvantage crop sensor cameras have is they don't have as good of low light performance as full frame sensor cameras do.

...

Well, putting above 2 sentences in ballance - one may land on the fact that...

____ Cropping a 6D/5D3 image with a factor of 1,6 to reach perspective of an crop camera
____ like 7D she/he may get same image quality as with 7D.

I have done my homework before switching from 7D to 5D3 to check the above statement and, to my eyes, the 5D3 image was even better than the same scene shot with 7D. Comparison on monitor screen, looking at "fit screen", 50% and 100%; although the cropped 5D3 image had only some 8.6MP. Test repeated with several ISO values, same conclusion. I assume this test would have cvasi-similar results when comparing 6D as FF camera vs. 7D, 60D, 70D as crop camera.

The nice thing with FF cameras is that actually you may learn techniques to aproach the WL subject (which brings a lot of fun!) and thus you may not always need huge crops for the final photo. And so you get a nice IQ in the end. Anyhow, as far as I am concerned, and maybe other collegues may confirm, I came back home from field with better photos with 5D3 compared to what I had from 7D, using same old 300f/4L, sometimes with TC1.4xII.

I don't disagree with anything you are saying. In fact it reinforces that the 6D should not be summarily dismissed.

The 6D is more than capable of taking photos of static wildlife and occasional birds in flight.

The 5D Mk III would be a better suited camera. But, if the cost of the 5D Mk III meant compromising on the lens, I'd rather have the better lens and the 6D or the 70D for that matter.

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The 5D MKIII is not out of my budget ( I own two L series lens too) but I am worried that the jump from my current camera the Canon 1100D to the 5D MKIII would be too big?

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The 5D MKIII is not out of my budget ( I own two L series lens too) but I am worried that the jump from my current camera the Canon 1100D to the 5D MKIII would be too big?

Too big in terms of size and weight or too big in terms of complexity?

Size and weight can be a real issue. But, if you already shoot in P/AV/TV modes on your 1100D, I wouldn't worry about the jump in complexity.

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It is quite a big jump, in my opinion. If you will accomodate to a camera like 5D3 coming from 1100d - this depends heavily on your will and fun in learning and on what your interests are. Do not make the mistake to believe that buying a 5D3 is the onliest condition needed to photograph action WL. On the other hand, if you believe this will be your hobby for coming years and if you have the budget - then just do it! Have fun!

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Dexs wrote:

Hello,

If this question has been asked before then I apologise.

But is the 6D capable of taking decent photographs of BIF? 90% of my photography is wildlife and most of the subjects are static, but I need a camera capable of taking good images of moving objects. I have considered the 7D as well but for some reason keep on coming back to the 6D.

I would appreciate your help and thoughts in this matter.

I haven't read through the entire thread, so don't know if anyone has mentioned the rumored (but likely) new 7D2. If I were you, I'd wait a little longer and see if this camera actually materializes. If it does, and it's anything like the speculation, it could be a wildlife/bif photographer's dream camera.

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