When the Canon 1" sensor?

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No rumors anymore?

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The G1X M2 is all you're going to get for now.

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I think a 0.86539762" sensor would be the best. I am not sure why but that is the number that springs to mind. Pure instinct.

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Greynerd wrote:

I think a 0.86539762" sensor would be the best. I am not sure why but that is the number that springs to mind. Pure instinct.

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No rumors anymore?

I'm partial to the more universal 3.1415926535897932384 sensor.

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I hope this is cms. Let's not be sloppy about units. I think if you are going to this level of accuracy you might as well have an irrational number which would be more exotic and have a deep inner meaning.

The whole system is based on vidicon tubes measured in an ancient multi base number imperial  measurement system so it is all crazy anyway and the perfect 1" has a cult following in photo circles.

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Greynerd wrote:

I think a 0.86539762" sensor would be the best. I am not sure why but that is the number that springs to mind. Pure instinct.

tkpatric wrote:

No rumors anymore?

I'm partial to the more universal 3.1415926535897932384 sensor.

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tkpatric wrote:

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Why do you care JUST about 1"? If you have enaugh reach and small cam enaugh, you want the biggest, and if you want more reach and still maintain small-ish size, you want smaller. I believe Canon would kick a$$ if they put 2/3" sensor into 60x zoom body with 24-1440mm f/2.8 - f/5.9 lens...

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Canon would kick ass if they put a 1" sensor in a G15- sized body.

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We probably won't know until photokina. And even then, I'm skeptical that a 1"-sensored powershot will be released. Although, I have to admit I would be tempted by a G17 with that size sensor and a decently fast lens which is lighter than the G1X Mark II.

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Would they rly kick pretty anything compared to actually few period existing Sony RX 100?

If they continue with the same attitude as they did with G1X II, and "cut" that sensor even more, they´d end up with less than 10Mpx, and that would be really very sub-par. I expected G1X II to have more megapixels for less price, and I don´t believe they´ll deliver better price/features ratio next time. I think they´re "done", and even if 1" G17 will come, it propably won´t beat both G1X and RX100 II and III for the price. Canon became really expensive in some cases.

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Greynerd wrote:

I hope this is cms. Let's not be sloppy about units.

125 microfurlongs seems a reasonable size compromise to me.

I think if you are going to this level of accuracy you might as well have an irrational number which would be more exotic and have a deep inner meaning.

The whole system is based on vidicon tubes measured in an ancient multi base number imperial measurement system so it is all crazy anyway and the perfect 1" has a cult following in photo circles.

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Greynerd wrote:

I think a 0.86539762" sensor would be the best. I am not sure why but that is the number that springs to mind. Pure instinct.

tkpatric wrote:

No rumors anymore?

I'm partial to the more universal 3.1415926535897932384 sensor.

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This current obsession with larger sensors, where does it lead us?

Most of us can already do everything we need and more using the present slightly smaller sensors, so there must be some new thing just around the corner that I do not know about that is only achievable if we keep moving in the direction of larger sensors, can anyone enlighten me what this might be.

Otherwise can someone tell me why they are obsessed with larger sensors.

No, I haven't heard any rumours, but maybe I wasn't looking hard enough.

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I have it on good authority (from a source that cannot be disclosed (security concerns, you know)  the "Canon One Incher", as it is known within the Canon Company, will be released 6 months (to the exact day) after the SX60HS hits the dealers' shelves.

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Very expensive and and in many cases very large cameras.

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This current obsession with larger sensors, where does it lead us?

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That's certainly one of the downsides, but there are others, like the loss of wide angle and even if they manage to get the lens to 24mm it is often soft at certain apertures and/or soft at the corners.  Non existant zoom is another downside unless it has a lens the size of a 3" drain pipe.

I know there will be a few people that shoot most of their images in dark environments, I even enjoy this myself, but it is probably about 1% of my shooting.  So is that what its all about, only one person has been helpful in trying to figure this out.

Thanks Greynerd.

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Very expensive and and in many cases very large cameras.

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This current obsession with larger sensors, where does it lead us?

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I have it on good authority (from a source that cannot be disclosed (security concerns, you know)  the "Canon One Incher", as it is known within the Canon Company, will be released 6 months (to the exact day) after the SX60HS hits the dealers' shelves.

When is the sx60 be released cheers Steve

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The day after tomorrow. A complete guess of course but probably as useful as any other information from the rumour circuit.

Edit: Sorry that is a Sunday. 2 business days from now is better.

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I have it on good authority (from a source that cannot be disclosed (security concerns, you know) the "Canon One Incher", as it is known within the Canon Company, will be released 6 months (to the exact day) after the SX60HS hits the dealers' shelves.

When is the sx60 be released cheers Steve

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tkpatric wrote:

Canon would kick ass if they put a 1" sensor in a G15- sized body.

I doubt you will see another G-series with a large sensor.

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tkpatric wrote:

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Why do you care JUST about 1"? If you have enaugh reach and small cam enaugh, you want the biggest, and if you want more reach and still maintain small-ish size, you want smaller. I believe Canon would kick a$$ if they put 2/3" sensor into 60x zoom body with 24-1440mm f/2.8 - f/5.9 lens...

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I think 2/3rds would be sweet in a super zoom too.  I do have the RX10, and RX100m3 and will get the FZ1000 sell my RX10 probably.  But my second favorite camera is the Panasonic FZ200.  I think a Canon SX60 ish with a 14 megapixel 2/3rds sensor and a 25-1000 f2.8 to F4 zoom would be great.  But I would like to see a premium version with great EVF and all the faster and better bells and whistles.

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brianj wrote:

This current obsession with larger sensors, where does it lead us?

To better image quality with less noise or at least the ability to clean the noise with out smearing.

Most of us can already do everything we need and more using the present slightly smaller sensors, so there must be some new thing just around the corner that I do not know about that is only achievable if we keep moving in the direction of larger sensors, can anyone enlighten me what this might be.

This is true and I objectively believe that my Panasonic FZ200 is hand down the best super zoom with a small sensor.  I know the SX50 with a similar 12mp sensor is close.  http://www.scottzinda.com/Point-and-Shoot-Cameras/FZ200/

But I do find some limitations in low light even with the constant f2.8.  You can view my indoor theater dancer photos where I needed ISO 800-3200 to really get the shutter I needed.  I could not get there with any kind of clean image when compared to my M43 or RX10.  This also goes for early morning and evening birds.

Otherwise can someone tell me why they are obsessed with larger sensors.

Not obsessed just a logical question to ask as nice compromise considering the dramatic increase in quality.  For low light shots.  And even though I am prefer quality over Megapixels which is why I have a 12MP FZ200 over any of the 16MP versions with crap sensors.  But in the right conditions and with the right lens, a few more megapixels can ad detail or a bit or artificial reach.

Here is my RX10 gallery I have been testing.  It lacks the Reach of my FZ200 and falls short on macro and birds but where the focal lengths are similar or lower light, the RX10 is superior on detail.  I realize the detail is not all Megapixels but it helps in certain conditions.

http://www.scottzinda.com/Point-and-Shoot-Cameras/Sony-RX-10-Test-Shots/

No, I haven't heard any rumours, but maybe I wasn't looking hard enough.

If your happy with your current gear, that is a great thing!

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brianj wrote:

This current obsession with larger sensors, where does it lead us?

To better image quality with less noise or at least the ability to clean the noise with out smearing.

Most of us can already do everything we need and more using the present slightly smaller sensors, so there must be some new thing just around the corner that I do not know about that is only achievable if we keep moving in the direction of larger sensors, can anyone enlighten me what this might be.

This is true and I objectively believe that my Panasonic FZ200 is hand down the best super zoom with a small sensor. I know the SX50 with a similar 12mp sensor is close. http://www.scottzinda.com/Point-and-Shoot-Cameras/FZ200/

But I do find some limitations in low light even with the constant f2.8. You can view my indoor theater dancer photos where I needed ISO 800-3200 to really get the shutter I needed. I could not get there with any kind of clean image when compared to my M43 or RX10. This also goes for early morning and evening birds.

Otherwise can someone tell me why they are obsessed with larger sensors.

Not obsessed just a logical question to ask as nice compromise considering the dramatic increase in quality. For low light shots. And even though I am prefer quality over Megapixels which is why I have a 12MP FZ200 over any of the 16MP versions with crap sensors. But in the right conditions and with the right lens, a few more megapixels can ad detail or a bit or artificial reach.

Here is my RX10 gallery I have been testing. It lacks the Reach of my FZ200 and falls short on macro and birds but where the focal lengths are similar or lower light, the RX10 is superior on detail. I realize the detail is not all Megapixels but it helps in certain conditions.

http://www.scottzinda.com/Point-and-Shoot-Cameras/Sony-RX-10-Test-Shots/

No, I haven't heard any rumours, but maybe I wasn't looking hard enough.

If your happy with your current gear, that is a great thing!

That's a fair assessment, which I agree with, so its mainly about people wanting more or bigger or better even if they don't need it in many cases.  The same arguments could be applied to most things we have, our car or our TV or whatever.  I just find that the things I own already do more than I need from them, so am struggling to understand this overkill mentality.

It would be the same as wanting a car that can do 1000km/hr when our present one can already do 800km/hr but the roads we drive on only allow 100km/hr.  It seems to be a case of the manufacturers desperately looking for ways to get us to spend our money.

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