system Consolidation : Need help with A6000/A7.. decisions decision

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system Consolidation : Need help with A6000/A7.. decisions decision
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I am a two camera shooter. I always have two cameras ready.

The reason for this is that one camera is often doing time lapse. And I travel to remote/dusty places and often have different FLs mounted on different cameras, so as not to change lenses.

Now I am in an upgrade soup.

Let me list my equipment, and then you will understand

Sony NEX  5N : 18-55 kit, 18-200 Tamron, Samyang 8mm F2.8 fisheye

Nikon D7000 : Tokina 11-16 F2.8, Nikon 50mm 1.8, Nikon 70-300

What do I need

1. I need a fisheye

2. I need a UWA

3. I need a fast 50-70mm Effective FL lens

4. I need a 300mm Effective FL telephoto(may not be fast)

Now theoretically I can swing to Nikon Camp or Mirrorless Camp. But I often travel international, so size advantage and "Weight" advantage of mirrorless cannot be overlooked.

I know I know NEX+18-200 is not small. Yes, not in pocket small, but much smaller than a DSLR+similar lens and less weight too(hiking FTW)

Besides, it fits in my jacket pocket when visiting cold climates.

So lets swing to mirrorless camp.

Very good, what is the dilemma

The dilemma is lenses

eg 50mm 1.8

Price of Nikon? well about 100-150$. Price for Canon ditto, Price for Sony? 1000$ Whooopiee

LA-EA4 to the rescue? but does sony even make a 50mm 1.8 for the full frame(their DT is for the APS-C only)

I can go to Samyang 35 1.4... But then its manual focus.

On telephoto there is the 55-300 with the LA-EA4 adapter though.

I am told LA-EA4 can work with third party A mounts too.

So my kit will have

A6000 + 16-50+18-200+8mm

A7+14mm Samyang+LA-EA4+50mm 1.4 from sigma + some telephoto atleast as good as Nikon 70-300 IS

What do you guys think

Any other advice

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Re: system Consolidation : Need help with A6000/A7.. decisions decision
In reply to tsk1979, 5 months ago

I would skip the E mount 18-200 and the LA-EA4. You can get an A58 camera for not much more than the LA-EA4, and then you can get the 18-200 in A mount which is a lot cheaper than the E mount version.

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Re: system Consolidation : Need help with A6000/A7.. decisions decision
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tsk1979 wrote:

Hi

I am a two camera shooter. I always have two cameras ready.

The reason for this is that one camera is often doing time lapse. And I travel to remote/dusty places and often have different FLs mounted on different cameras, so as not to change lenses.

Now I am in an upgrade soup.

Let me list my equipment, and then you will understand

Sony NEX 5N : 18-55 kit, 18-200 Tamron, Samyang 8mm F2.8 fisheye

Nikon D7000 : Tokina 11-16 F2.8, Nikon 50mm 1.8, Nikon 70-300

What do I need

1. I need a fisheye

2. I need a UWA

3. I need a fast 50-70mm Effective FL lens

4. I need a 300mm Effective FL telephoto(may not be fast)

Now theoretically I can swing to Nikon Camp or Mirrorless Camp. But I often travel international, so size advantage and "Weight" advantage of mirrorless cannot be overlooked.

I know I know NEX+18-200 is not small. Yes, not in pocket small, but much smaller than a DSLR+similar lens and less weight too(hiking FTW)

Besides, it fits in my jacket pocket when visiting cold climates.

So lets swing to mirrorless camp.

Very good, what is the dilemma

The dilemma is lenses

eg 50mm 1.8

Price of Nikon? well about 100-150$. Price for Canon ditto, Price for Sony? 1000$ Whooopiee

LA-EA4 to the rescue? but does sony even make a 50mm 1.8 for the full frame(their DT is for the APS-C only)

I can go to Samyang 35 1.4... But then its manual focus.

On telephoto there is the 55-300 with the LA-EA4 adapter though.

I am told LA-EA4 can work with third party A mounts too.

So my kit will have

A6000 + 16-50+18-200+8mm

A7+14mm Samyang+LA-EA4+50mm 1.4 from sigma + some telephoto atleast as good as Nikon 70-300 IS

What do you guys think

Any other advice

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Seeying what you already have, and your list of needs, wouldn't it be an option to just get an A6000, a Sony 35mm or 50mm f1.8 in E-mount, and call it a day?

Depending on the conditions of the Nex-5N, that camera can still produce great images, and the lenses would be compatible for both cameras. Just use the Nex for time lapses, and A6000 for the rest for the EVF and fast autofocus. At occurrence (hikes), the A6000+16-50mm pancake could be a very light combination.

For UWA, is the Tamron 18mm end enough? Otherwise you could get the Sony 10-18mm f4 or Samyang 12mm f2 (much faster (-> night sky photos), much cheaper, but manual focus and not stabilized). edit: the 16mm end of the pancake kit lens could also be an option if 16mm is enough, if you are okay with distortion correction and its corner IQ compromises.

For telephoto and fisheye, you would already have the lenses.

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DimitriDV wrote:

or Samyang 12mm f2 (much faster (-> night sky photos), much cheaper, but manual focus and not stabilized).

For 12mm, you don't really need AF nor stabilization. Most lens in this FL don't offer OSS anyway.

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In reply to DimitriDV, 5 months ago

On top of that, depending on your budget and IQ needs, maybe look for secondhand Touits?

I came from a somewhat similar arrangement as you and if price were no object:

1. Don't use fisheye sorry
2. Touit 12/2.8, or just keep the Tokina. I recently bought in on the double Touit deal to retire my 11-16. It was a great tool, even on my NEX6, but the Touit rightfully blows it out of the water in every way besides focal length. The 10-18 is nice too but the current market price of the Touit makes it much less advantageous.
3. Zeiss 16-70/4. Is that fast enough? I don't have much experience with it but I know people that have grown to absolutely love it.
4. Sony 70-200/4. Seems like a nice bit of kit. Otherwise just keep the Tamron.

I also see little reason the ditch your 5N, and even less reason to buy an A7. I've wanted to go FF since my Nikon days, but upon reflection it was better off investing in good (not necessarily FE) glass. That was what was holding me back from replacing my Tokina, but last week I just bit the bullet and went for the Touit. For me, 18mm effective FL with Zeiss glass seemed good enough for the vast majority of my wide angle shooting.

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I realized I cannot shoot without EVF
In reply to reversible, 5 months ago

So I buy A6000 or simply by an EVF... right?

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In reply to tsk1979, 5 months ago

Except its controls, menus, and customization are absolute trash. I'm ditching my 6 because decent as it was, it was a sloppy mess of compromises. The A6000 isn't perfect either, but at least it's a solid step up. Hopefully the next iteration will be totally brilliant but knowing Sony they'll still end up cutting a corner somewhere.

Given the current lineup I personally would choose two A6000s. The A7S's ISO performance is drool-worthy but the rest of it is still lagging behind - and I still can't stand the hump.

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In reply to reversible, 5 months ago

Hold up, I might be a terrible reader. Have you already picked up an A7? If so, or if you're gonna get one anyway...still get the A6000. Because of reasons above. And you should still be able to get decent coin for your 5N..?

Ideally I'd sit out this generation, but the waiting game hasn't done me much good other than saving a few bucks here and there. YMMV.

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In reply to reversible, 5 months ago

Do not sell the D7000. Its a stellar cam and 11-16 is an amazing lens

I simply buy an A6000 kit(we do not get body only in India), and use the 18-200

Other users on this forum who moved to a6000 from nex 5N and use tamron 18-200 claim that this camera can actually make the damn thing focus well.

This will mean approx 500$ hit for me in body upgrade.

But this means I can use intervalometers and stuff to do time lapse with A6000 also!

If and when this system gets enough lenses(even third party will do) that I have some affordable 50-60mm fast primes, I can ditch the nikon d7000 and go full frame on that platform.

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What are you on about? The Sony 50mm 1.8 is very cheap and the sigma 60mm 2.8 even more so?

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Yes, but sony 50mm 1.8 is not for FE full frame....
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I think the FE is 1000$ or so

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In reply to tsk1979, 5 months ago

I went the A6000, LA-EA4 and Minolta lenses route... add a M39, M42 and a MD converter, and I am a happy man who can afford to play with a lot of cheap (or not) lenses.

I mainly shoot macro with Minolta MD or MA lenses, plus a 180 Sigma, or static objects, your needs may be diferent...

The camera for me is only a film back.

If I was still hiking, I would choose RX100 or Pana LX

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Ah, sorry, I was thinking about the apsc lenses!

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Can you switch off rear screen as well as the EVF both.

I want to know this because I believe when both the screen and EVF are off, I can squeeze out more time lapse shots.

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In reply to tsk1979, 5 months ago

Best idea. I just did a whirlwind tour of South Africa with my 6 and a rented D7100 and quite enjoyed it. Of course it'd be better to consolidate systems but as it stands each still has it's strengths, and what you have (with the a6000 upgrade) should be fine for the time being.

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Firstly do you need a FF and APS-C or would just APS-C do?

If you want small and rugged DSLR, pentax will have a solution for you. They also have nice lenses. No harm in looking there I think if you haven't already.

Also why not just buy sony a-mount? Sony SLT are generally little smaller and lighter than canikon equivalents. But they aren't particularly small unless you buy something like A58 which is actually lighter than A7 I think but not smaller.

Sony makes a 50mm/1.4 too. Not as a good as the sigma 50mm art lens but its also lot cheaper and think 3 times smaller. There is also a sony 50mm/1.4 ZA i.e. the zeiss equivalent with SSM which is of course more expensive.

Here are my lens suggestions:

I think you have your fisheyes and UWA set.

For 50-70mm – sony 50mm/1.4 or sony/minolta 50mm macro f/2.8 (very sharp). If you have the money FE55. it will 50mm on A7 and 75mm equivalent on A6K.

For 300mm equivalent – how about a sigma 70-200mm/2.8 which has OS too so you will have stabilization with EA plus you get 300mm equivalent on A6K. Its a fast lens and very sharp.

You could also look into a minolta 200mm/2.8 prime (with matched 1.4x and 2x teleconveters) which is sharp, fast and slightly smaller and lighter than FE70-200. Also will be 300mm equivalent on A6K. Otherwise there is always the sony 70-300 G equivalent tamron.

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Immediate and future upgrades
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Ideally, I would like to go with A6000 + A7 + lenses combo

However, as things stand, that would be a big financial hit

First lets come to pentax. They do not  have presence in India. So I have to choose the big three (Sony/Canon/Nikon)

So for now I will fix my immediate problem

Get the A6000 which gives me

1. EVF

2. Time lapse capability

3. Better AF - NEX 5N to A6000 shooters who have tamron 18-200 have confirmed that now AF is better

I slog my D7000 more, and explore more on adapters (metabones etc.,)

Then I can simply go for an A7 + an adapter based on cheap lens availability.

So I do one upgrade now, and second upgrade later.

Who knows, I go for a full frame SLT and also buy a LA-EA4 which will allow me to use the SLT lenses on my A6000

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tsk1979 wrote:

Ideally, I would like to go with A6000 + A7 + lenses combo

However, as things stand, that would be a big financial hit

yes but it should be less so if you sell your gear.

First lets come to pentax. They do not have presence in India. So I have to choose the big three (Sony/Canon/Nikon)

that is hard to believe, I didn't think it would be a problem in the capital. I could certainly find it in Bangalore.

So for now I will fix my immediate problem

Get the A6000 which gives me

1. EVF

2. Time lapse capability

3. Better AF - NEX 5N to A6000 shooters who have tamron 18-200 have confirmed that now AF is better

I slog my D7000 more, and explore more on adapters (metabones etc.,)

Then I can simply go for an A7 + an adapter based on cheap lens availability.

So I do one upgrade now, and second upgrade later.

Who knows, I go for a full frame SLT and also buy a LA-EA4 which will allow me to use the SLT lenses on my A6000

hmmm I am doing the opposite. I went for A7 and then planning on getting the new A77m2. The reason being the IQ of A7 is same as FF SLT i.e. A99 (actually A7 is slightly better). I can get similar AF to A99 with EA4. On the other hand while the AF/tracking capabilities of A6K are very good for a mirrorless its still not on the level of pro-level DSLR AF systems like D7100/D800 (I haven't used D7000). But about 5 people who shoot with other systems for action/sports (4 of whom I trust the experience of) have told me A77m2 is on those levels i.e. pro level canikon for AF/tracking performance.

So if I am going to buy one sony mirrorless and one SLT, I will pick each system for what they do best. So A7 for IQ and size (FE35 and FE55 are brilliant little lenses) so when I am travelling I will have a FF for landscape type stuff and A77m2 for AF/tracking.

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Pairing FF and APS-C bodies
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tsk1979 wrote:

Ideally, I would like to go with A6000 + A7 + lenses combo

This is an excellent combo -- I was just shooting a NEX-7 + A7 in Turkey quite happily. Yup, I literally had BOTH cameras hanging around my neck much of the time while shooting, and switched between them as circumstances favored one or the other.

I have 130+ lenses, of which only a handful made the cut for the trip to Turkey:

  • Believe it or not, an A-mount Sigma 28-200mm f/3.5-f/5.6 Macro D Aspherical IF (which cost me something like $10 in a group of lenses I got on eBay) on an LA-EA4 was my go-to lens for the A7 -- really an excellent lens with great IQ except for slightly funny colors, and it AFs fairly fast. Could have used it on the NEX-7 for more reach, but never needed that this trip.
  • My Sigma 8-16mm f/4.5-5.6 DC HSM (which cost me $675 new and is awkward and huge) was on the NEX-7 most of the time via an LA-EA1.  From 14-16mm this lens also covers FF nicely on the A7 using the LA-EA4. It is no surprise that most of my favorite shots were taken with this lens on the NEX-7; it's hard to use this lens well, but it gets you perspectives you just don't have as options with other lenses.
  • My Tamron SP 90mm f/2.5 Macro was the hands-down winner for macros and gives great bokeh, so it also doubles as a portrait lens -- works great on both A7 and NEX-7.
  • An old Accura 12mm fisheye on the A7 using a Lens Turbo (a tiny combo which gives a 170-degree circular fisheye on FF) was used for special purposes. I'd prefer a 185 degree circle, but this combo is so much smaller than my other fisheyes that it won out.
  • An M42 SMC Takumar 35mm f/2 was handy for low light.
  • An M42 Super Takumar 50mm f/1.4 was the really low light thing I brought (f/1 on the NEX-7+LT), but it barely got used.  Not really the fault of the lens, just circumstances.

In addition, my daughter was shooting with a NEX-5 and the kit zoom. I think I borrowed the kit zoom once briefly for the NEX-7....

In sum:

  • I was surprised by how much of everything was handled nicely by the A7 + 28-200mm. I'm mostly a manual-focus shooter, but not needing to change lenses while shooting in a rapid sequence of unpredictable random circumstances (i.e., travel photos) is a huge win.
  • Overall, the NEX-7 images didn't look inferior to the A7 images. The extra stop of dynamic range of the A7 is noticable, and certainly leaves more room for postprocessing, but the NEX-7 images often looked a touch crisper. The A7 also seems to be less of a sensor dust magnet, but neither camera was a problem this trip. I wouldn't have had a problem exclusively using either camera body.

The A6000 is not inferior to the NEX-7, and the menus match those of the A7 way better than my NEX-7 does (although the NEX-7 tri-navi is just as effective overall). I think starting with an A6000 + Tamron 18-200mm will get you through a heck of a lot of circumstances....

However, do yourself a favor and do try an old manual fast 50 too. I know it was the loser in my travel kit this time... but a year ago, my Canon FL 55mm f/1.2 on an LT was the big winner (I attended a wedding in Turkey last year, and it made great portraits and small-group portraits).

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